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notafloridian said:
Honestly, I mostly go there these days to troll jeets.
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I used to comment there but I got tired of the overly academic/philosophical requirement that every retarded idea must be considered with the highest respect. That and the comment system isn't designed for continuous dialog, since it doesn't notify you of replies. You have to care enough about the words you wrote to check if someone else also cared enough about them to reply.

Real fart huffing vibes, barely even useful for tech news these days.
 
This conversation reminds me of something I read on Hacker News about Herbert Dow fighting the German cartels selling bromine, but I can't currently locate exactly what I read there, so I'll have to summarize it instead. Here's an article about it, I believe the one I recall reading from all that time ago:
https://fee.org/articles/herbert-dow-and-predatory-pricing/ (archive)

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have been discussed directly, and I can't locate the comment in which I first found it.

The very first sentence of the article reveals this organization as for capitalist cocksuckers, and I also found some articles from them arguing against unionization and striking, but I'll leave it at that. So, in the 1900s Herbert creates two new processes to extract bromine from brine and eventually starts selling it outside of the US, gaining the attention of a German cartel fixing the price. They warn him not to sell it elsewhere, he refuses, and they start dumping in the US. Rather than compete with them, he starts buying it in the US and selling it everywhere else. The article concludes with the German magnesium cartel inviting him to join, but he refused that also. Here are some important quotes:
One of the sacred cows of statism is the idea that government needs to protect us from predatory price-cutting. Large corporations, according to this argument, have big advantages in the marketplace. They can cut prices, drive out their competitors, then raise prices later and gouge consumers. Antitrust laws are needed, so the argument continues, to protect small businesses and consumers from those corporations with large market shares in their industries.

The story of Herbert Dow, founder of Dow Chemical Company, is an excellent case study for those who think predatory price-cutting is a real threat to society. Dow, a small producer of bromine in the early 1900s, fought a price-cutting cartel from Germany. He not only lived to tell about it; he also prospered from it.
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In a sense, of course, the Germans were paying Dow the strongest compliment possible by asking him to join them, not fight them. What’s interesting, though, is that through the battles with bromine, indigo, phenol, aspirin, and procaine, the Germans persisted in their strategy of using government-regulated cartels to fix prices and control markets. They continued to believe that monopolies were the best path to controlling markets and making profits.
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How many capitalists these days talk about how competition is for losers, and how monopolies are the way to play? I constantly remind myself that my state's grand businesses would be illegal for me to start in the same way, owing to higher standards in just about every way. Even the commentators on Hacker News were critical of the article's message, because many of them recognized that American business is no longer like this. It's not about innovation and selling better products at lower prices. All of the most valuable American businesses use patent and copyright law to gain monopolies backed by Uncle Sam himself. I'm not allowed to fuck with an Apple product and compete, because the DMCA means I'd be fucking arrested for the crime. Businesses in the US are protected from criminal contempt of business model these days, and everyone without his brain damaged understands this.

Markass the Worst said:
Seriously nigga? Please tell me you're joking.
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All I'm saying is it may be a bad idea. I don't like holding cellphones up to my head either, and in a conversation related to this someone once told me she read the manual or health pamphlet or whatever for her cellphone, which contained a warning about holding the damn thing closer than six feet to one's head.
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UERISIMILITUDO said:
Also, there's good reason to believe AirPods are going to give people fucking brain cancer, what with two different radio signals as close to the brain as possible, but it's not like that'll get researched while there's money to be made.
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Markass the Worst said:
Seriously nigga? Please tell me you're joking.
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I think there's clearly a subset of the human population that is susceptible to cancer from non-ionizing radiation. About six years ago I had a friend pass who fought with brain cancer. I never mentioned it for fear of being called a nut (and not that it would have helped in any way at this point) but the MRIs clearly showed the tumor growing on the side of his head he held his cellphone to. He was one of those weirdos that actually talked to people on the phone a lot when we were younger.

I hate linking Sam Tripoli because he's annoying as fuck, be he does have good guests sometimes, and recently he had one Shannon Rowan to talk about people who were sensitive to EMFs:


Back to Orange Reddit:

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I occasionally see gems like this that fly by. It got three points before it was flagged: https://mileswmathis.com/altman.pdf

Are there any bots that poll HN and try to grab these flagged posts? I'm sure it's a lot of spam, but it would be interesting to see what stuff gets flagged and burned before people have a chance to look at it.
 
HootersMcBoobies said:
Are there any bots that poll HN and try to grab these flagged posts? I'm sure it's a lot of spam, but it would be interesting to see what stuff gets flagged and burned before people have a chance to look at it.
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They aren't gone, just hidden. With account there is "showdead" setting. Which means that even flagged or [dead] that is actually killed with flagging are shown. For anything to be actually deleted it must be done by admins.
 
HootersMcBoobies said:
Are there any bots that poll HN and try to grab these flagged posts? I'm sure it's a lot of spam, but it would be interesting to see what stuff gets flagged and burned before people have a chance to look at it.
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This Github readme is automatically populated with the posts removed from HN, maybe not exactly what you are looking for but I find a lot of good quality material that was removed because it was too critical of startup culture or the sacred cows of HN.
 
How is it the LLMs fault people will use every sneaky trick in the book to get it to give the information they want? It's not that the guardrails aren't enough, no it's that the LLM should be shut down. It's no different than going to erowid or using Google to find someone that's saying whatever you want to find.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
How is it the LLMs fault people will use every sneaky trick in the book to get it to give the information they want? It's not that the guardrails aren't enough, no it's that the LLM should be shut down. It's no different than going to erowid or using Google to find someone that's saying whatever you want to find.
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I agree. That depressed teenager who killed himself, increasingly isolated after the lockdowns of 2020, should've known better. I'd be in jail if I'd had the conversation with him, but that doesn't matter for some reason.
 
UERISIMILITUDO said:
I agree. That depressed teenager who killed himself, increasingly isolated after the lockdowns of 2020, should've known better. I'd be in jail if I'd had the conversation with him, but that doesn't matter for some reason.
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It's basically an interactive search engine. It's easy to hate the AI companies but at least do it for legitimate reasons.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
but at least do it for legitimate reasons.
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That's not really possible to do here right now. Every legitimate reason gets shot down for its own sake. I tried to explain some of my beliefs in the AI Art Seething General, but those posters were more obsessed with laughing at people who dislike this stuff. I get it, the goal is to laugh at people making a fool of themselves, but way too many people here are currently believing the advertising material. This bubble can't pop soon enough.

Right now, the general tone is we need to let Sam Altman or Google fuck us in the ass, or else China will fuck us in the ass, but not getting fucked in the ass is never presented as an option here.
 
UERISIMILITUDO said:
Right now, the general tone is we need to let Sam Altman or Google fuck us in the ass, or else China will fuck us in the ass, but not getting fucked in the ass is never presented as an option here.
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The response to this can be summed up as "Okay you could maybe pass limits on AI over here but how in the fuck do you get China to stop on a potential world-beating tech opportunity?" How do you get modern China to stop anything they want to do?
 
HootersMcBoobies said:
Some made an LLM death count tracker that got +56 and was then flagged. Interesting concept.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45939414 / https://archive.is/wip/UCpmS

https://llmdeathcount.com/ / https://archive.is/wip/1U2rJ

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I'm willing to bet the LLM "deathcount" is higher than the Kiwi Farm's "deathcount" at this point, and even that it's the same people killing themselves because the mentally ill are at risk of killing themselves regardless. Hell, a schizo thought Catcher In The Rye told him to kill John Lennon and it's not even interactive media. There are no guardrails you can put up that will protect everyone from everything. Someone could be convinced to kill themselves if they present a hypothetical situation to an LLM and ask "Does the life I described sound like it is worth living?"

In the end nothing can protect us from ourselves.
 
UERISIMILITUDO said:
Right now, the general tone is we need to let Sam Altman or Google fuck us in the ass, or else China will fuck us in the ass, but not getting fucked in the ass is never presented as an option here.
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I generally approve of technological advancement including AI but the specific people getting an oligopoly on it are the garbage of the planet.
 
HN is freaked out over Trump doing things they've been demanding for years: fixing American food quality and banning institutional investors from owning homes.

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There are a lot of angry vegans mad that the new pyramid recommends eating meat.
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Meat and milk are unhealthy:
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Muh CO2:
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Meat is carbon neutral, retard.

How dare they ban soda and candy from food stamps!:
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The poor can't be expected to cook:
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What about muh soy?
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RFK is bought off by Big Meat:
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One HN user is worried that this will stop them from buying houses with LLCs and leave them open to doxxing:
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By the way, no bank will lend to an LLC, so even if the rule bans LLCs from owning houses, it wouldn't affect anyone who isn't rich enough to buy a house in cash.
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For someone who cares so much about privacy, it's odd that he uses his real name as his username.
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Don't blame institutional investors, the real cause of the housing crisis is the ability for people to own their own homes:
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Wouldn't be HN without someone advocating for the government to tax people out of their homes to give their land to developers:
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I'm surprised that a comment this based wasn't downvoted to oblivion:
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Paul Graham got into a slapfight with Elon Musk on Twitter over him falsely stating that the democrat activist who was shot by an ICE officer did not try to run him over:
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Palmer Luckey, another billionaire, points out that Graham hasn't lived in the US for years and therefore shouldn't comment:
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Ironic:
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The first reply that Graham didn't respond to:
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Does anyone know of any technical forums that are almost like what HN used to be? I remember years ago being able to browse the site and see interesting news about various languages, maybe a new piece of hardware, or maybe a technical guide on setting up something. But now HN is just people fleeing from Reddit and turning it into Reddit-lite. Sometimes its fine and there are interesting articles to read, but during American work hours I only see political bait or the most thinly veiled advertisements posted.
 
General Zigger said:
Does anyone know of any technical forums that are almost like what HN used to be? I remember years ago being able to browse the site and see interesting news about various languages, maybe a new piece of hardware, or maybe a technical guide on setting up something. But now HN is just people fleeing from Reddit and turning it into Reddit-lite. Sometimes its fine and there are interesting articles to read, but during American work hours I only see political bait or the most thinly veiled advertisements posted.
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Unfortunately, none that I know of. /g/ is trash (as usual), lobste.rs is just lefty HN. While HN is full of political bait and hate mobs these days, it's still miles better than other hellholes I've found.
 
General Zigger said:
Does anyone know of any technical forums that are almost like what HN used to be? I remember years ago being able to browse the site and see interesting news about various languages, maybe a new piece of hardware, or maybe a technical guide on setting up something. But now HN is just people fleeing from Reddit and turning it into Reddit-lite. Sometimes its fine and there are interesting articles to read, but during American work hours I only see political bait or the most thinly veiled advertisements posted.
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You'd be better off being an IRC goon than trying to find a good technical forum in 2027 - 1; /g/ is especially dogshit because Jay Niggerwin is in cahoots with the frogposters and macfags
 
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