Has right versus left moral fagging become an endless cycle that achieves nothing?

[AgendaPoster]

Yeah, I'm sure the War on Masturbation you want to wage will end up as well as the War on Drugs did. When a pollster calls you and asks, "What is your top political issue this election season?" do you answer, "Other dudes jerking off, I can't stop thinking about it! All that cum, I can't get it out of my mind!"

How much heroin can you IV without passing out? Or fentanyl?
In mgs please
Bitches be like "you should be as degenerate as you want without consequences, cause lolberts"
How about... nope

 

[Mothra1988]

How much heroin can you IV without passing out? Or fentanyl?
In mgs please

I've never used drugs because I'm not an autismo with impulse control problems and can make the correct rational decision. I have a couple Swisher Sweets every couple years. Are you going to haul me off to degenerate jail? lol

 

[Shidoen]

Who cares about moralfagging anymore, no one does much with morals anymore.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I've never used drugs because I'm not an autismo with impulse control problems and can make the correct rational decision. I have a couple Swisher Sweets every couple years. Are you going to haul me off to degenerate jail? lol

I'm gonna haul you off to lolbert degeneracy enabling jail

 

[LurkTrawl]

People talk about "bread and circuses" being used as a distraction but the non-ending rancor over dumb shit has to be itself a bread and circus distracting from other issues.

Relevant:

That divide, is also why the U.S. was made as a representative, democratic republic with a separation of powers not just between the branches of the federal government, but also of different territories. So that people could have their political differences and needs represented on a local level despite being a part of a larger nation with people who might have a wildly different culture/political ideology than they do.

Which, because over the course of 200+ years we now have a strong, centralized government with more or less absolute power over the state governments, means that whoever controls the central pillar of power gets to enforce their bullshit on everyone else.

Part of the circus is people who are obsessed with governing the lives of people who live in another state dozens and hundreds in some cases of miles away from them. Which helps to feed into the cycle of centralization of government that has led us as a nation to the point that the federal government has enough power to be a unilateral controller of every aspect of our society.

I don't know what the answer to the problem is, and perhaps there isn't one, but the problem definitely is one of a mindset that seems ever more prevalent as time has marched forward that not only must every single person live according to one's own personal values if they're in the same nation, but also that the government must be centralized even further to accomplish this.

As far as "actual issues" go to any one person what they consider most important will always vary. Consider:

Not that I don't think certain things complained about are bad, I don't like the trooning of children for one, but no body focuses on the more important underlying macro issues such as the middle class being destroyed and entire career fields being eliminated due to technology.

On this the argument could be made that the genderspecial bullshit is actually an attack on the family unit which is a cornerstone of a strong middle class. That it ultimately helps to erode the foundational unit, the family, that enables people to avoid the various pitfalls that can lead to poverty.

I don't really have an opinion on that so directly as I don't really view issues like this as separate, personally, but people can wrangle rationale out of nowhere for their pet issues being "more important".

I think the people there are more pro-censorship than what the people claim to believe in the censored platforms, which is fucking crazy.

Because - and this is what I'm tired of to the point of wanting to participate less and less in any fucking political discussion whatsoever - there's seemingly no divesting a large number of people both right and left wing of the notion that the government is ultimately the answer to all of society's problems. That we need to have niggers with truncheons, guns, and iron bracelets backing every single solution to any and all problems whether they be cultural, economic, or legal.

That's what I'm tired of, this bullshit that I've run into everywhere of the answers always boiling down to, left or right, "the problem isn't the current structure at all, in fact we just need to not only be in control of it but enhance its power in order to accomplish our goals". That's what's fake and gay. That's what's tiring. The largest representatives in the body politic right now of the left and the right want more government, just their totalitarian and iron-fisted government.

"Real communism socialism social engineering has never been tried!"

 

[Mothra1988]

On this the argument could be made that the genderspecial bullshit is actually an attack on the family unit which is a cornerstone of a strong middle class. That it ultimately helps to erode the foundational unit, the family, that enables people to avoid the various pitfalls that can lead to poverty.

I don't really have an opinion on that so directly as I don't really view issues like this as separate, personally, but people can wrangle rationale out of nowhere for their pet issues being "more important".

I think the elimination of the middle class is the biggest attack on the family. The fact that a lot of people can't support more than one person on their income is a good reason why they don't have children if not the top reason. Then you have losers without jobs who have kids and have the government pay for it and there is no incentive to work so the father fucks off and the family is broken.

The family unit seemed the strongest after World War II, because there was an industrial base providing high paying jobs with income that could pay for everything that is now out of reach of people because of inflation and companies like Black Rock gobbling up real estate to double and triple the prices of houses. Why would anyone want to raise a family in a shitty apartment? Of course people will stop having kids if they can't buy a house.

Because - and this is what I'm tired of to the point of wanting to participate less and less in any fucking political discussion whatsoever - there's seemingly no divesting a large number of people both right and left wing of the notion that the government is ultimately the answer to all of society's problems. That we need to have niggers with truncheons, guns, and iron bracelets backing every single solution to any and all problems whether they be cultural, economic, or legal.

That's what I'm tired of, this bullshit that I've run into everywhere of the answers always boiling down to, left or right, "the problem isn't the current structure at all, in fact we just need to not only be in control of it but enhance its power in order to accomplish our goals". That's what's fake and gay. That's what's tiring. The largest representatives in the body politic right now of the left and the right want more government, just their totalitarian and iron-fisted government.

"Real communism socialism social engineering has never been tried!"

I made the observation that the the rapid rise of /pol/storm-faggotry happened in tandem with "Bernie Bros" becoming disaffected after the DNC fucked him over. I'm convinced a decent portion of these people were literal socialists and commie sympathizers in their previous internet life of not that long ago. So yeah, the obsession with a government nannystate contuined just with different more edgy packaging.

 

[LurkTrawl]

I think the elimination of the middle class is the biggest attack on the family. The fact that a lot of people can't support more than one person on their income is a good reason why they don't have children if not the top reason. Then you have losers without jobs who have kids and have the government pay for it and there is no incentive to work so the father fucks off and the family is broken.

The family unit seemed the strongest after World War II, because there was an industrial base providing high paying jobs with income that could pay for everything that is now out of reach of people because of inflation and companies like Black Rock gobbling up real estate to double and triple the prices of houses. Why would anyone want to raise a family in a shitty apartment? Of course people will stop having kids if they can't buy the house.

I wasn't stating that as my argument as I personally think we have foundational cultural issues that have lead to this state of affairs to begin with, that are a large tangle of interwoven policy decisions that would take a whole different thread to discuss my position on without completely taking the conversation in this one off the rails.

And as a guy who doesn't mind barely tangential discussion in threads whether as a participant or observer it says a lot that I think that discussion would be too derailing to get into here.

I made the observation that the the rapid rise of /pol/storm-faggotry happened in tandem with "Bernie Bros" becoming disaffected after the DNC fucked him over. I'm convinced a decent portion of these people were literal socialists and commie sympathizers in their previous internet life of not that long ago. So yeah, the obsession with a government nannystate contuined just with different more edgy packaging.

I don't think this is wrong per se but there's a lot of conservatives of different stripes who are like that, though. Ditto for non-extreme lefties, who I hate calling "Liberals" for a number of reasons but I guess that's the term that fits most for them, who also just keep pointing to centralization as a mode of solving everything.

There's no appetite for disempowering the federal government and giving power to the states. Or even just looking for solutions to problems that don't fucking involve tax dollars and government involvement. It's as if the majority of the body politic is completely uninterested in anything that isn't just "have the government do it".

 

[cybertoaster]

Western civilization its currently undergoing a death spiral, please stand-by...

but I recall the thing people on the internet claimed to hate most was moralizing of the right wing during the Bush years.

I'm starting to believe it was never like that and it was just lefties hiding their powerlevel but in a way many of them already believed the nonsense they do now, they just knew they couldn't be open about it yet.

2010 leftists - video games/anime/whatever are bad for this reason!
2020 "alt-right" people that don't like 2010 leftists - video games/anime/whatever are bad for this very similar reason!

The alt-right was already anti all that in the 2010s because they don't like it, tho for different reasons than the left.

Case in point people like gavin mcinnes would mock gamers and gamergate relentlessly, and also did rogan (I know he's not really alt-right).

the FBI (you have to portray the FBI as invincible badasses or it's illegal to put them in your movie),

Got a link for that?

(the worst offender recently is Gundam: The Witch From Mercury)

Why?

You started really well why you hef to end like dis

He has a point about nuclear war tho, its insane how lefties are promoting the idea that you can actually survive an all-out nuclear war and that the damage wouldn't be that severe.

I recall a declassified note from Ike saying there wouldn't be enough excavators to scrape the dead bodies off the streets, and that was in the 50's before ICBMs existed.

 

[AgendaPoster]

He has a point about nuclear war tho, its insane how lefties are promoting the idea that you can actually survive an all-out nuclear war and that the damage wouldn't be that severe.

I recall a declassified note from Ike saying there wouldn't be enough excavators to scrape the dead bodies off the streets, and that was in the 50's before ICBMs existed.

I don't remember seeing people other than terminal contrarians suggesting that, but the nuclear war won't happen because of Ukraine, and Russia will not sign its destruction because of a remote possibility it might lose Donbas and Crimea. Don't get taken hostage by nuclear fears, that's just a convenient point pro-Russian people push, but literally nobody wants it.
Keep in mind, nuclear exchange=mutual annihilation=a world without Russia (and without US, EU etc.), which is exactly what Putin wants to avoid.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Case in point people like gavin mcinnes would mock gamers and gamergate relentlessly, and also did rogan (I know he's not really alt-right).

Arguably Gavin isn't alt-right either but, well, name a fucking political figurehead that isn't a grifter nowadays I guess...

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

They aren't. The writing was on the wall when Desantis' Moral Orel routine started flopping hard with voters. Because you know what, whining about Disney isn't going to make people's lives better and everyone can sense that. It doesn't fix the economy, it doesn't stop inflation, it doesn't allow them to buy a mortgage, it doesn't do anything that has any meaningful effect for anybody. It's just another form of bread and circuses, and no one cares.

Hmm, that's funny coming from you since you used to simp hard for DeSantis. Did Charlie Kirk send you new marching orders? If you actually knew what you were talking about, "whining about Disney" in DeSantis's case actually would benefit the state of Florida because Disney is getting huge unfair tax exemptions. So cancelling their tax breaks is a GOOD thing, something even a lolbert like you should be able to see. But I guess it's bad since DeSantis is doing it because of Disney's anti-American, anti-human stance which promotes child mutilation (I thought you were against that?).

Yes, fixing the morals of a nation will fix the economy. This was noticed over 2,500 years ago by Confucius and those scholars who followed in his wake. Pornography and camwhoring is not productive for the economy. Transgenderism produces nothing for the economy (besides wealthy plastic surgeons and Big Pharma that is). Hookup culture, gay orgies, cuckholding, etc. is damaging to the economy. Promoting anti-white hatred is actively detrimental to the economy through giving low IQ people jobs they are ill-suited for and by increasing crime against productive citizens. Or even non-productive citizens--in 2020, Chicago alone spent 228 million dollars on hospitals, ambulances, and autopsies for gunshot victims.

The black community should be the finest example of how promoting degeneracy is destructive economically. Before the Civil Rights Act when blacks knew their place, the community was stable, and had reasonable levels of prosperity and entrepreneurship. Then the government--and corporations--promoted equality, "liberation", and above all, vice and degernacy, and the result was the highest divorce rate of any race, insane levels of child abandonment, sky-high rates of STDs (including AIDS), and extremely poor health from excessive alcohol and tobacco use. Then in the 80s the CIA started selling crack to blacks to make the cocaine market in the US bigger and the CIA and their corpo buddies created gangster rap that glorified crime, sex, drugs, and degeneracy (just like they promoted the hippie lifestyle via their plant Jim Morrison in the 60s). Now look at the black community--it's decayed and decrepit.

 

[Mothra1988]

Did Charlie Kirk send you new marching orders?

Apparently, you're still mentally ill.

Yes, fixing the morals of a nation will fix the economy.

Fucking LOL.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Apparently, you're still mentally ill.


Fucking LOL.

Unfortunately, reality is on my side. Black Americans are barely more prosperous today than they were in 1960, and that's with decades of being promoted in EVERYTHING from movies to music to sports and decades of affirmative action. This is because in the name of tolerance we permitted the degeneration of their culture through promotion of sexual liberation, drugs (including tobacco and liquor), and gangster rap. It's all documented. 2,500 years of Confucian scholars were not wrong when they warned that degenerate morals destroys families, wealth, and nations.

 

[Mothra1988]

2,500 years of Confucian scholars

Congratulations on that .002 increase in your social credit score! lol Holy shit, that person on your profile calling you out for stanning for the Chinese wasn't lying.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Congratulations on that .002 increase in your social credit score! lol Holy shit, that person on your profile calling you out for stanning for the Chinese wasn't lying.

Congratulations on understanding neither China, Confucius, or my argument. So do you have an actual argument that proves me wrong? I'm the only one giving stats on how enforcing and promoting morality financially benefits society, using actual case studies such as the black community's exposure to government and corporate-promoted degeneracy.

I'd say I've conclusively proven how much better things are and would be for everyone besides the super rich if we weren't promoting gender ideology, camwhores, gay bar culture (i.e. drag queens and orgies), cuckoldry, and anti-white hatred. But if you have any objections rooted in statistics and case studies, I'd be glad to hear them.

 

[skykiii]

Because - and this is what I'm tired of to the point of wanting to participate less and less in any fucking political discussion whatsoever - there's seemingly no divesting a large number of people both right and left wing of the notion that the government is ultimately the answer to all of society's problems.

Ultimately most people are simple-minded. All our myths and stories (and even our modern storytelling) tends to revolve around people who solve problems in direct ways. Hercules brute-forces his way through the twelve labors using his super strength, Superman punches the fuck out of anyone who stands against him.

Its fun, simple thinking. But people apply it to real life far too much.

So many people think like Simba or Joffrey: "The king can do whatever he likes!" so they think ruling means they can just order a problem gone, and never understand the deeper nuances.

This is of course before we get to the sheep who literally want someone else to decide things for them because thinking for themselves is too hard.

I tend to agree with a joke Freedomtoons made, when a video they were mocking mentioned the Government being shut down: "The real tragedy is they opened it back up again."

 

[gang weeder]

Because - and this is what I'm tired of to the point of wanting to participate less and less in any fucking political discussion whatsoever - there's seemingly no divesting a large number of people both right and left wing of the notion that the government is ultimately the answer to all of society's problems. That we need to have niggers with truncheons, guns, and iron bracelets backing every single solution to any and all problems whether they be cultural, economic, or legal.

It's true though.

Government will exist. Someone will control it and its monopoly on force.

Even if you believe that the proper role of government is to be hands-off, which is a reasonable viewpoint, that means you need to be the one holding the government gun so that you can then sit on it and not use it. If you refuse to take it and let someone else have it, then they'll use it to do things you don't like.

There's no appetite for disempowering the federal government and giving power to the states. Or even just looking for solutions to problems that don't fucking involve tax dollars and government involvement. It's as if the majority of the body politic is completely uninterested in anything that isn't just "have the government do it".

Secession is pretty popular among right wing voters. But you can't say it out loud or people lose their minds. I predict OP for example would dismiss the idea of breaking up the union as fanciful/impossible/etc. Even while they simultaneously complain about the federal government being too powerful.

Ultimately most people are simple-minded. All our myths and stories (and even our modern storytelling) tends to revolve around people who solve problems in direct ways. Hercules brute-forces his way through the twelve labors using his super strength, Superman punches the fuck out of anyone who stands against him.

Its fun, simple thinking. But people apply it to real life far too much.

So many people think like Simba or Joffrey: "The king can do whatever he likes!" so they think ruling means they can just order a problem gone, and never understand the deeper nuances.

This is of course before we get to the sheep who literally want someone else to decide things for them because thinking for themselves is too hard.

I tend to agree with a joke Freedomtoons made, when a video they were mocking mentioned the Government being shut down: "The real tragedy is they opened it back up again."

This is, again, quite accurate to human nature. The natural state of humans is to be ruled by some form of dictator-like figure, whether that be a chief, king, or whatever you call him. Meaningful political changes will probably only come when someone is able to consolidate this type of power and then start cramming their will down on the previous ruling class, despite their protests and kvetching. It isn't going to happen because you voted for Republicans hard enough this year.

 

[Stan]

She's a woman; her whole body and psyche are ready for a bruise to show off to get someone banned.
She's a woman; she doesn't need justification or even reason. It's enough that she thinks something. Believe all women, especially graduates from Mommy U.

You really need to get over me. You’re starting to look a little obsessed.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

Both sides are spergy retards who repeat their respective party lines like parrots, so I would say yes, probably since they repel most normal well-adjusted people away. Just look at America First or Vaush and his ilk in the opposite side of the aisle.

 

[skykiii]

This is, again, quite accurate to human nature. The natural state of humans is to be ruled by some form of dictator-like figure, whether that be a chief, king, or whatever you call him. Meaningful political changes will probably only come when someone is able to consolidate this type of power and then start cramming their will down on the previous ruling class, despite their protests and kvetching. It isn't going to happen because you voted for Republicans hard enough this year.

While I'm here, a problem I've always had with governments running everything is that ultimately, their power is illusory--the king can only do what he likes up until he goes too far and the peasants decide to rebel or someone realizes that pitchforks can puncture human skin. Same with presidents.

Which is ultimately what leads to corruption--at the end of the day, the ultimate value most hedonistic people have is "I don't want to die" so will resort to supplication the minute someone else has a gun.

This is why I see the only means of fixing the world as being a superhero or demigod type. In such cases, their power is innate, and can not be taken away barring some sort of divine intervention. Such a being is the only kind that can have true, uncompromised morals.

This is of course where the blackpills of the world like to say such a figure would be just as corrupt as any human because some people are such doomey types that apparently they can't imagine a person or being who isn't a petty dictator, even one that fundamentally might not think like a human.