Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Whiskey]

"not established well"?
Power levels are bullshit, nothing's been established here.

How many souls one has indebted to them does correlate to how powerful one is in helluva a boss and hasbin hotel. The only exceptions seem to be the deadly sins.

 

[Tinnitus]

Not to sound like a broken record, but literally what is there to stop Charlie from swatting Angel aside and burning Val to death on the spot instead of letting all these horny twinks talk to her like that?

Someone else has to take up his spot and Charlie believes in redemption.

Also Angel Dust wouldn't be safe from other sinners who liked Valentino and hold him responsible due to running away to the hotel.

 

[Eggman's Ghost]

Finally got around to watching this and wow do I have criticisms!!! I want to like this show so bad but it's like the second every episode starts to feel like it might be getting good, someone bursts into a cringe song. It's also pretty clear that they spent an insane amount of production time and effort on the song parts, to the point where other aspects of the show feel neglected by comparison. Some of the character designs don't even feel fully realized - like the artists didn't even know how to draw them from every angle to begin with. And Velvette's redesign from freaky lolita dress doll to ... australian rapper..? is one of the most egregious offenses of all. If they had removed the musical aspect completely there's no doubt in my mind that this would be a much better show.

 

[A Grey Cat]

why has someone like Adam not only been allowed to rise but become a representative of them?

Because vivzies mask is now fully off and shes openly being her true self. Just as woke, half witted and man hating rad fem as anyone else in western animation these days.


why does Adam talk amd act like a total dude bro hothead? One that would make ryan goslings ken jealous? Because men suck and I'm destin to die a lonely Barenboim spinster surrounded by cats!-Vivian mango milkshake...maybe

side note: Do we know who currently owns Hazbin? There was that whole rumor that Vivzie actually surrendered the rights to HH to Amazon, but do we have any update on that? Who currently owns Hazbin? Vivzie? A24? Bezos?


Youd think she and other indie creators would have learned by now read any contracts before you sign them (ironic for a show set in hell) amd never surrender your ip rights. If anything she should have kept hazbin a low budget show on yt like hb, if it meant keeping her own ip rights to it.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

If anything she should have kept hazbin a low budget show on yt like hb, if it meant keeping her own ip rights to it.

But then she wouldn't have access to her precious Broadway stars to live out her theater kid dreams.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Youd think she and other indie creators would have learned by now read any contracts before you sign them (ironic for a show set in hell) amd never surrender your ip rights. If anything she should have kept hazbin a low budget show on yt like hb, if it meant keeping her own ip rights to it.

Hmm now that I think about it, there's an awful lack of HB characters in HH... No Stolas, Mammon or Asmodeus...

 

[A Grey Cat]

Hmm now that I think about it, there's an awful lack of HB characters in HH... No Stolas, Mammon or Asmodeus...

How long till we get a retcon saying despite both taking place in hell it's not THE same hell. And hb becomes a second show that happens to be set in hell with vivians style? The only way she can get away with that is because hell and demons are concepts that can't be copyrighted.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Hmm now that I think about it, there's an awful lack of HB characters in HH... No Stolas, Mammon or Asmodeus...

According to the leaks,

Spoiler

they're saving any and all crossovers for "Season 2"

 

[Roger Dennis]

 

[Mega Black]

I watched the first four episodes. The pacing in this show really feels all over the place. It feels like I'm jumping into season 2 or 3 rather than 1. I don't know if I was supposed to be watching or reading supplementary material or what, but this made every big song fall flat because they were coming from characters I had watched, like, two minutes of.

 

[Betonhaus]

I watched the first four episodes. The pacing in this show really feels all over the place. It feels like I'm jumping into season 2 or 3 rather than 1. I don't know if I was supposed to be watching or reading supplementary material or what, but this made every big song fall flat because they were coming from characters I had watched, like, two minutes of.

I definitely felt that in the first episode, where it seems to occur shortly after the events of the YouTube pilot where Charlie goes to the radio station to introduce the Hotel and Alistair come to introduce himself and "help"

 

[Eggman's Ghost]

But then she wouldn't have access to her precious Broadway stars to live out her theater kid dreams.

This is the actual, literal thing that ruined the show!!!! I'm so mad man!!

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

I watched the first four episodes. The pacing in this show really feels all over the place. It feels like I'm jumping into season 2 or 3 rather than 1. I don't know if I was supposed to be watching or reading supplementary material or what, but this made every big song fall flat because they were coming from characters I had watched, like, two minutes of.

Sounds about right

 

[Larry Trainor]

What this show really needed was a slow start.

Spoiler: Long Thoughts

>Introduce the characters, introduce Charlie and tell SHOW us who she is. Introduce a problem, in this case, the extermination. There was a strong starting point we could've had focusing on the Extermination alone.

>Immediately open the show to blood, screaming, murder, etc. Show confused demons pleading for their lives and the such. Have it be a mystery who kills them and why until it flips back to Charlie. Have her go out and experience the sudden death, murder, and chaos and have her stand alone in the environment. SHOW the audience this scene of savagery and the injured demons trying to pick themselves back up. It could even foreshadow some of the Overlords here and give us snippets of them reacting calmly/furiously. It would establish the many different sides of the characters, give us a basic grounding on the issue that we can put 2 and 2 together, and then have the scene end with viewers wondering, "Why?". Who just killed all these demons, and for what purpose? Was it another demon? Maybe the Angels? What made them do that?

We need single-character focus and development before we watch them all work together. The fact that we're only four episodes in, and we already have characters like Husk deadpan explaining the characters and their flaws to us is ridiculous.

"Vaggie hates herself!
"Charlie focuses on everyone else's problems but her own!"
"Nifty is Not Like The Other Girls TM!"

...You couldn't just SHOW us this through the story? And she wonders why people compare her work to fanfiction.

We need more time to know and understand these individuals and their motivations, goals, etc.
Hazbin Hotel is doing the opposite of "Show, don't Tell". It seems she has no faith in her viewers to understand a show with even a hint of a complicated storyline. She pulls inspiration from a show like Bojack Horseman but can't understand what made it good. It's like she thought all the surface-level pop-culture jokes were the show and completely missed his down spiral of shitty behavior that couldn't be forgiven and how they affected everyone else, along with his more human traits. Bojack had a shitty life all around, from his abusive father to his neglectful mother to a myriad of other things.

Instead, she could've even gone the episodic route with a hint of a story. An episode of the characters interacting and building rapport with one another. Episode X is about Husk and some of his deeper complexions being a gambler and how it began. Episode Y is about Angeldust, his issue with Valentino, and where it all began. Episode Z is about Vaggie and why she possibly hates herself & shows her self-doubt and insecurities.

All of these are sprinkled through more lighthearted episodes about the hotel, perhaps showing some of the culture of the immediate hell right outside, the lore of the hotel itself and who used to own it, Charlie's relation to the people of hell, why Charlie is so sheltered, how she met Vaggie, having sweet moments between the two, and much more. Then, in another season, introduce DickMaster(TM) and Heaven after the Hotel makes REAL progress. Show the blood, sweat, and tears that went into making these rascals slightly better people and have a real case to pitch.

Make meeting Adam a BIG deal that had to be earned and then have it taken away. All her work is for "nothing," therefore adding conflict. Then Charlie could have another spout or lash out that her hard work is being undermined. Adam could then give her a vague threat about how lucky she is to be alive. It could even add some actual manipulation and say that BECAUSE of Charlie's actions, the subsequent extermination would be sooner (when, in reality, someone killed an angel, and the council already decided to make it sooner. It would add more contention to Charlie's character and leave the audience saying, "No, Charlie! It's not your fault! He's lying!")

What do we even have to root for Charlier so far? Why should we even care that these terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad demons deserve redemption anyway? Other than being "UmU sad beanbois with le tragic past," why should I care if Husk or Nifty were to be exterminated? What redeeming qualities have we been presented with that show us these guys have more than meets the eye other than daddy issues? What should compel me to feel bad for murdering, cannibalistic, raping, sociopathic, narcissistic, self-centered, drug-addicted Oncelers and Wardens? Because they're cute? Happy Tree Friends already did that ages ago.

 

[AnOminous]

>Immediately open the show to blood, screaming, murder, etc.

This is more or less the pilot. And then it gets immediately less interesting once they get into the acutal show. Not surprising after the shitshow of S2 HB, but still disappointing.

 

[Cave Fisher]

Hmm now that I think about it, there's an awful lack of HB characters in HH... No Stolas, Mammon or Asmodeus...

On one hand, they probably wouldn't fit in the story, but then again, half the cast doesn't fit in the story, so I assume Viv literally isn't allowed to have them show up here.

I watched the first four episodes. The pacing in this show really feels all over the place. It feels like I'm jumping into season 2 or 3 rather than 1. I don't know if I was supposed to be watching or reading supplementary material or what, but this made every big song fall flat because they were coming from characters I had watched, like, two minutes of.

Having Charlie meet Adam so soon was probably the biggest writing fumble I've seen from Viv, they're literally telling us from the start that Charlie's redemption idea can't work and that heaven sucks, and it happened in the first four episodes. This show is so newbie-unfriendly, it's insane.

 

[The Fair Lady]

And Velvette's redesign from freaky lolita dress doll to ... australian rapper..? is one of the most egregious offenses of all.

She's British but yeah, Velvette's redesign is a huge downgrade. I'm pretty sure they did it to make her look more like a social media influencer but it just feels really boring compared to her old lolita look.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Episode four focuses on characters more than plot, showing how Charlie doesn't want to use her status, emphasising she doesn't understand the world once more and is unrealistially naive. It establishes Angel is Val's property and Husk is Alistor's and neither feel they can change because of it.

I do appreciate that we're given a viable explanation for why Charlie can't simply throw her weight around and kill any obstacles in her way (that explanation being that she's a pussy) and it's consistent with her character that we've seen so far. She detests being a demon and doesn't want to force people to redeem themselves. But I expect that that is going to get old if more and more characters keep fucking with her like this.

 

[Weppers]

I can't be the first one to say this, but I think this is just R-rated Modern Broadway Invader Zim. Everyone is bad. Everything is absurd and monstrous. It's not going to have a plot except for some looming major event that never actually happens. Trying to read too far into the cargo cult Satanism or even the story continuity will be as productive as a Marxist reading of The Doom Song.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't know if I was supposed to be watching or reading supplementary material or what, but this made every big song fall flat because they were coming from characters I had watched, like, two minutes of.

She hasn't changed gear from when her audience was obsessives who had all pored over social media and podcasts and wikis and the like to know about all the shit that's canon or semi-canon that has never been in any official media, from back before it was even just a pilot, and Zoophobia for that matter.