Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

I was trying to think on how you could fix the first season of Hazbin Hotel, since that is part of the critiquing process. One of the main issues I keep hearing is the pacing, which I agree is terrible, so let's see if we can tighten it up and see how much better it gets:

1. Remove most of the plot lines: There are so many plot points and stories that are brought up that never get satisfyingly solved, and the main premise gets heavily ignored because of it. Focus on the "hotel trying to redeem sinners" aspect, with a side plot of "an exterminator got killed" since a mystery is always good to have. Speaking of...

2. Reveal who killed the angel at the end of the season and have it be one of the main cast members: It kind of sucked that we knew who murdered the angel almost immediately and that it was a new character that we had no prior attachment to was responsible for it. I feel like if there were little clues on 'whodunit' sprinkled out, it would keep the audience engage and awaiting for the next episode. And having it be done by one of the main characters makes the impact harder since when the reveal does happen it makes it more personal to the rest of the characters. Alastor being the one responsible makes sense, but if you want to be really dramatic, let it be revealed that it was Vaggie, especially if we keep the whole "she was one of them" twist. I like the idea of it being done by Vaggie since it can really expand on her character more as she's kind of just there to be "Charlie's supportive girlfriend".

3: Lessen the amount of characters: There are just way too many characters in this show, that it really takes away from our main characters developing at all in a natural way. Keep the main cast along with Sir Pentious, since I think his character arc can be done well. The Vee's can be kept to be the antagonists for the first season. Don't show Heaven or angels yet until season 2, but if you have to show the exterminators, wait until we get to the end of season.

4. Cut out some of the songs: There are 16 songs in this first season. Jesus Christ, that's a lot, and most of them aren't even that good or memorable. Just having one song per epsiode would just help it be a lot less bloated, and you can focus on making them actually fit with the scene (and maybe hire someone who has experience in writing songs for musicals, but that's just me).

This won't fix all of Hazbin's problems, cause you still have the writing to deal with, but I do think the things I mentioned above would help a lot with the show at it's main core.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

raising another problem with the premise, what it means to "die" in Hell is not very well explained, on stream they respond that ceasing to exist is worse than Hell with very little argument "you will be in a void and that it is scary".

But for me non-existence is non-existence, there is nothing not even suffering, so I don't see how that wouldn't be preferable than living in Hell.

realistically there should be cults worshiping Heaven and the mercy they give with their exterminations, there should be hundreds of people waiting for the day that comes with happiness and hundreds of sinners lining up to be exterminated, not running in fear at the idea of escaping Hell .

and with the ascention of Pentious we know that dying only has two fates: Void or Heaven, it's a win-win situation.

Charlie's idea is useless and Adam did nothing wrong

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

tbh the women that are extremely 'anti' Hazbin and Helluva are cringe/crazy af according to twitter.

I tend to browse those tags to burn time, and I mostly see people being pissed off that the “black/black coded” characters don’t have “black” hairstyles or features. Leading to some pretty ugly redesigns. Can’t please these people at all.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Time for a bit of insider info: As you all know I go to an art school with professors who are involved in the industry. One of my professors is friends with someone who oversees Hazbin Hotel and stuff relating to it. Apparently, there are a lot of streaming services that are interested in Viv and having Helluva Boss on their platform. Also worth noting, apparently Viv is easy to work with. They don't have to worry about her blowing up when they make suggestions or critiques, and is very willing to hear and follow what they say.

Not a lot of stuff revealed, I know, but I thought it was worth bringing it up.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Also worth noting, apparently Viv is easy to work with. They don't have to worry about her blowing up when they make suggestions or critiques, and is very willing to hear and follow what they say.

So is it just those "dirty dang trolls" that make Viv go berserk? Or is she just moreso willing to listen when the stakes are significally higher? (I.E. working with big-wigs that are responsible for money injection)

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Also worth noting, apparently Viv is easy to work with. They don't have to worry about her blowing up when they make suggestions or critiques, and is very willing to hear and follow what they say.

So, if i show her my novel about how i wrote Heaven & Hell without God & Lucifer as the main leaders ('cus basically both are another world's nation armies), she's gonna blow me or something?

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

The first season of Steven Universe (up until either Mirror Gem or Warp Tour) and everything afterward are two completely different shows and you can't convince me otherwise.

Yes when everyone was obscure and it wasn't like "this one genocided worlds, but is good, so NEVERMIND THAT"...

 

[goodbudweiser]

A24 probably helped a lot with limiting what Viv could add.

Listen if the telegram leaks are true, A24 made her redo or change alot. Or Viv decided to.
My main thing is that the leaks show a different direction (more fun/silly, less graphic) and two different episodes seemed to get merged into one, and other changes happened. Who did that? A24? Viv?

 

[doodoocaca]

Time for a bit of insider info: As you all know I go to an art school with professors who are involved in the industry. One of my professors is friends with someone who oversees Hazbin Hotel and stuff relating to it. Apparently, there are a lot of streaming services that are interested in Viv and having Helluva Boss on their platform. Also worth noting, apparently Viv is easy to work with. They don't have to worry about her blowing up when they make suggestions or critiques, and is very willing to hear and follow what they say.

Not a lot of stuff revealed, I know, but I thought it was worth bringing it up.

What if they criticize her and expect her to actually act on it instead of smile and nod? Maybe she doesn't blow up like she does on twitter, but fucking shit, this woman needs editors like we need oxygen. And a mentor who isn't Brandon fucking Rogers.

 

[Namekian George Floyd]

Listen if the telegram leaks are true, A24 made her redo or change alot. Or Viv decided to.
My main thing is that the leaks show a different direction (more fun/silly, less graphic) and two different episodes seemed to get merged into one, and other changes happened. Who did that? A24? Viv?

Imagine letting Ari Aster make a 3-hour long schizoid meltdown about how he's scared of his mom featuring a giant penis monster but thinking you really gotta keep an eye on the spicy latinx whose writing a cartoon musical about gay demons.

 

[Roger Dennis]

Pointless thing I learned today: according to Viv, the reason why people won’t get super close to Alastor isn’t because they’re afraid of him. No, it’s because he has bad breath.

I am dead fucking serious. I couldn’t take this edgelord seriously to begin with, but the revelation people avoid getting close to him isn’t due to fear but actually his poor oral hygiene is unintentionally hilarious to me. Viv honestly expects us to be intimidated by this guy.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Slay the Princess made the co-antagonist and antagonist one without even fucking trying and was a tour-de-force of illusion and delusion of false reality, key components of the theology it borrowed from, and the people who made that are a faggy twink and a fat chick that married for some reason, so it's not like tumblrs and people of identity can't actually be creative. They had to be!

Slay the princess works because the people making it weren't porn brained perverts.

It is the opposite of hazbin hotel, where it seems like a vapid quirky visual novel and ends up being a mature albeit abstract philosophical rumination on life, death and the meaning of ego.

Hazbin hotel presents itself as a story about redemption and salvation, but its just fuko bait made by coomers that only care about jerking off in your face for 8 episodes.

The theology in slay the princess works because its incidental as a result of it being a story about death and rebirth, and the only aesthetic it borrows is the appearance of the shifting mound.

The theology in hazbin doesn't work because they just wanted a cool aesthetic and literally nothing else, the theological aspects are entirely forced which is why they conflict so much.

 

[fishercat]

I found this on Reddit.



God I wish that's how it went.

 

[Colon capital V]

Pointless thing I learned today: according to Viv, the reason why people won’t get super close to Alastor isn’t because they’re afraid of him. No, it’s because he has bad breath.

I am dead fucking serious. I couldn’t take this edgelord seriously to begin with, but the revelation people avoid getting close to him isn’t due to fear but actually his poor oral hygiene is unintentionally hilarious to me. Viv honestly expects us to be intimidated by this guy.

Sauce because I know Viv's retarded, but even that sounds too retarded for her and it makes me think she said it sarcastically and you didn't pick up on it.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

where are the dictators, even if they are fictitious? not only would they have millions in their body count and several atrocities in their time, but they would be responsible for bringing an army of souls to hell as well because they would have to convince thousands of people to exercise their ideologies, have more potential to rule a part of Hell than any serial killer or cult leader, and they would not sit around waiting be exterminated

I'd imagine most dictators would have a ton of people with a grudge against them. Imagine Hitler being faced down by any group of people who died because he started the war. You have Poles, Frenchman, Russians, Jews and more who would want to kick his ass and almost none of the resources of third Reich.

 

[Roger Dennis]

Sauce because I know Viv's retarded, but even that sounds too retarded for her and it makes me think she said it sarcastically and you didn't pick up on it.

It was in one of her livestreams. The wiki treats it as canon and not a joke. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=2757&v=zl49M-DOokw&feature=youtu.be

 

[Colon capital V]

It was in one of her livestreams. The wiki treats it as canon and not a joke. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=2757&v=zl49M-DOokw&feature=youtu.be

It sounds more like she's not denying Alastor would have bad breath as an opposing entity and not straight up "people don't go near him because of his bad hygiene".

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

I found this on Reddit.

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God I wish that's how it went.

Kill sinners. Behead sinners. Roundhouse kick a sinner into the concrete. Slam dunk a sinner baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy sinners. Defecate in a sinners food. Launch sinners into the sun. Stir fry sinners in a wok. Toss sinners into active volcanoes. Urinate into a sinners gas tank. Judo throw sinners into a wood chipper. Twist sinners heads off. Report sinners to the IRS. Karate chop sinners in half. Curb stomp pregnant sinners. Trap sinners in quicksand. Crush sinners in the trash compactor. Liquefy sinners in a vat of acid. Eat sinners. Dissect sinners. Exterminate sinners in the gas chamber. Stomp sinner skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate sinners in the oven. Lobotomize sinners. Mandatory abortions for sinners. Grind sinner fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown sinners in fried chicken grease. Vaporize sinners with a ray gun. Kick old sinners down the stairs. Feed sinners to alligators. Slice sinners with a katana.

Also: based Bing shows TND full text in the first result, while cucked Google and DDG do not anywhere in the results.

 

[The Nothingness]

You have Poles, Frenchman, Russians, Jews and more who would want to kick his ass and almost none of the resources of third Reich.

But then the show would not even be aired if it had God's chosen in Hell

 

[AnOminous]

Can't bring up topics like fascism, nazism, communism being evil, or pedophilia, not even in HELL.

I guess those guys are all in Heaven.