Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Doctor of Autism]

I'm almost tempted to say, "because the whole thing is written by a woman." But that's awfully sexist, even for me.

Not that things would be better if it was written by a man. But I'm curious at what the helliverse would be like if it was written by a man. It certainly wouldn't be better, but what would it have been like?

Well we see what happens when a man writes Helluva Boss and there are two ways it can go. For one, Half the episodes in Season 2 so far (the LA and the Moxxie episodes) were written by a new writer named Adam Neylan who wrote two episodes of Hazbin with Viv. The other is Brandon Rogers who co-wrote the pilot and every episode in Season 1 (except Ozzie's which was all Viv).

For Hazbin itself, Viv directed the entire season but there were different writers for each episode. She did episode 1 by herself and co-wrote episodes 2 and 4 with Adam. Episodes 3 and 7 were written by a woman who used to mostly write on Children's cartoons but eventually wrote an episode of the new Futurama reboot and many episodes of Solar Opposites. Episode 5 (the one about Lucifer) was written by one of the Bojack Horseman writers. Lastly, there's episodes 6 and 8 were written by a guy whose worked on a lot of adult animated shows, but is known for writing about 6 episodes of the Harley Quinn show.

Though Viv's major issue is that she takes too much from her influence. One major influence and probably the main one for Viv's writing is Bojack Horseman, and that is definitely clear in Helluva Boss. However, unlike Helluva Boss, Bojack Horseman is written with more self-awareness that Bojack is a terrible person while Viv tries to white wash Blitzo and Stolas' every action.

 

[LucasSomething]

How does a show about demons and hell come off so pussified? Why isn't Stolas allowed to be a jackass as a lord of hell? Oh wait, he doesn't have the Viv's jilted ex voice like Mammon and Adam, so of course he's innocent.

Helluva definitely started intentionally edgy but lost it by season 2 for reasons we don't know yet. If i had to theorize, the ship got way too big and Vivzie decided to hard shift the entire focus of the show to Stolitz, but she know how awful shippers are so she had to make it unproblematic and morph it into tragic yaoi so she can milk it for multiple seasons.

I'm almost tempted to say, "because the whole thing is written by a woman." But that's awfully sexist, even for me.

Not that things would be better if it was written by a man. But I'm curious at what the helliverse would be like if it was written by a man. It certainly wouldn't be better, but what would it have been like?

Women love their toxic yaoi tho, they can't get enough of it. Vivzie knows fandoms too much for Stolitz to not be designed to pander to those women, but she changed her mind now.

but attempting to "detoxify" the ship, just made the ship problematic and toxic in other areas. My dude, where are your fucking priorities? Why are you making your life harder than it has to be?

Yeah, but i think that's because Vivzie only uwu-fied Stolas so the relationship is too onesided. Vivzie realized Stolitz was literally blackmail prostitution and decided "Well, it's not toxic now because Stolas loves him!" and ignored the part that, as far as blitzo is concerned, it was prostitution. Vivzie also thought a drunk Stolas asking for sex was "enough consent" for both of them when it obviously isnt.

i think i mentioned before that vivzie accidentally made Stolas go from too uncaring to too obcessed. The man has no other goals in life other than fucking blitzo anymore. When his daughter runaways his priority is blitzo. When he's kidnapped he's thinking about blitzo. When he's almost dead in a hospital bed and he's waiting for blitzo to see him and doesnt even contact his daughter (afaik). When he talks to anyone who isnt stella or octavia, it's about blitzo.

Blitzo on the other hand is allowed to have relationships and was never implied to love stolas, but S2E6 shows blitzo thinks Stolas is "playing with his feelings" and THAT's the conflict now. Vivzie is now pretending that this whole relationship was never toxic and it was always Stolas being too coward to talk his feelings and Blitzo being too insecure to accept them.

It went from "toxic prostitution yaoi" to "tsundere x shy uke soap opera".

 

[Cave Fisher]

vivzie accidentally made Stolas go from too uncaring to too obcessed. The man has no other goals in life other than fucking blitzo anymore.

Shit man, it's impossible to vilify Stella because I'd wanna kill Stolas too if I had to hear this guy constantly ramble about literally nothing else except for fucking his favorite prostitute sex slave.

Though Viv's major issue is that she takes too much from her influence. One major influence and probably the main one for Viv's writing is Bojack Horseman, and that is definitely clear in Helluva Boss. However, unlike Helluva Boss, Bojack Horseman is written with more self-awareness that Bojack is a terrible person while Viv tries to white wash Blitzo and Stolas' every action.

I've heard it said before that Stolas' whole story is just if Bojack Horseman wrote Bojack Horseman and that's genuinely the perfect description of the show.

 

[AnOminous]

Shit man, it's impossible to vilify Stella because I'd wanna kill Stolas too if I had to hear this guy constantly ramble about literally nothing else except for fucking his favorite prostitute sex slave.

Yeah I started out with this Stella is just horrible view because she's obviously intended as a one-dimensional villain, because Vivz is more misogynistic than most incels. And yet, try to put yourself in her position. Wouldn't you absolutely hate this faggot with a furious passion too? Can you really blame Stella for having absolutely lost her mind with loathing?

 

[didelphigina]

Yeah I started out with this Stella is just horrible view because she's obviously intended as a one-dimensional villain, because Vivz is more misogynistic than most incels. And yet, try to put yourself in her position. Wouldn't you absolutely hate this faggot with a furious passion too? Can you really blame Stella for having absolutely lost her mind with loathing?

I feel a lot of blokes were in your shoes. We had a one-sided view of Stella and just on the second episode alone we just saw her as this raging antagonist who screams and yells and barely can hold a conversation without raising her voice, but as the episodes went on and we got to see just how much of a remorseless jacknut Stolas is, I'm sure some people peaked and changed their view towards Stella. I never even hated Stella, I never saw her as an antagonist, just an upset woman.

Now I see her as the reasonably upset woman who's already a powerless bird whose mere existence is to just serve herself as Stolas' wife seeing him do these outlandish acts and him literally trying to justify it by saying "you said MEAN words to me over and over again!! and you nearly slapped me ONCE! how COULD you?!?!?" to her and painting her like the villain when HE put a random imp over his literal JOB as a Goetia.

He wasn't sacrificing himself to make Octavia happy, he was just waiting until she was of age to be the next heir so he can continue lusting over Blitzo. You didn't give squat to your daughter. May I remind you again that you put aside a once-in-a-lifetime event that takes place every ONE THOUSAND years, something you promised to show your daughter when she was younger, just so you can get your cloaca wet over seeing Blitzo in a lousy costume?

He didn't even bother to go look for her WHILE Blitzo was being forced to do that acting thing. Has no one realized that? LOONA had to do the job for him. LOONA.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It’s very doubtful it would ever happen but it would be great if someone did a parody of Helluva Boss in the form of something like Wicked or Twisted where it’s Stella dealing with this stuff.

But for real, I’ve never seen a villain be this unintentionally sympathetic before.

 

[Cave Fisher]

I feel a lot of blokes were in your shoes. We had a one-sided view of Stella and just on the second episode alone we just saw her as this raging antagonist who screams and yells and barely can hold a conversation without raising her voice, but as the episodes went on and we got to see just how much of a remorseless jacknut Stolas is, I'm sure some people peaked and changed their view towards Stella. I never even hated Stella, I never saw her as an antagonist, just an upset woman.

Now I see her as the reasonably upset woman who's already a powerless bird whose mere existence is to just serve herself as Stolas' wife seeing him do these outlandish acts and him literally trying to justify it by saying "you said MEAN words to me over and over again!! and you nearly slapped me ONCE! how COULD you?!?!?" to her and painting her like the villain when HE put a random imp over his literal JOB as a Goetia.

He wasn't sacrificing himself to make Octavia happy, he was just waiting until she was of age to be the next heir so he can continue lusting over Blitzo. You didn't give squat to your daughter. May I remind you again that you put aside a once-in-a-lifetime event that takes place every ONE THOUSAND years, something you promised to show your daughter when she was younger, just so you can get your cloaca wet over seeing Blitzo in a lousy costume?

He didn't even bother to go look for her WHILE Blitzo was being forced to do that acting thing. Has no one realized that? LOONA had to do the job for him. LOONA.

I genuinely don't think Stolas would care that much about Octavia if she didn't look so much like him, he already barely pays a lick of attention to her. He had me convinced he really cared back in Loo Loo Land, but time and time again he's pretty much failed to put his money where his mouth is.

Viv screws up in extremely similar ways that have been pointed out again and again since the Zoophobia days, so there's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said, but god damn, he didn't teach her shit when she's already in her late teens, her birthright, that Stolas received when he was WAY younger than her, is probably covered in feathers, blood, and imp cum, and for all we know, she might just get married off to another Stolas the instant she hits 18 and Stolas doesn't have to worry about her anymore. Literally all of Paimon's dialogue would fit Stolas 1:1, and we're supposed to see him as a shitty dad.

As much as it would fit Viv writing to have her immediately forgive Stolas after cutting him off, I just don't see this guy even being sad enough to try to get her back.

 

[Seventh Star]

Well we see what happens when a man writes Helluva Boss and there are two ways it can go. For one, Half the episodes in Season 2 so far (the LA and the Moxxie episodes) were written by a new writer named Adam Neylan who wrote two episodes of Hazbin with Viv. The other is Brandon Rogers who co-wrote the pilot and every episode in Season 1 (except Ozzie's which was all Viv).

For Hazbin itself, Viv directed the entire season but there were different writers for each episode. She did episode 1 by herself and co-wrote episodes 2 and 4 with Adam. Episodes 3 and 7 were written by a woman who used to mostly write on Children's cartoons but eventually wrote an episode of the new Futurama reboot and many episodes of Solar Opposites. Episode 5 (the one about Lucifer) was written by one of the Bojack Horseman writers. Lastly, there's episodes 6 and 8 were written by a guy whose worked on a lot of adult animated shows, but is known for writing about 6 episodes of the Harley Quinn show.

Though Viv's major issue is that she takes too much from her influence. One major influence and probably the main one for Viv's writing is Bojack Horseman, and that is definitely clear in Helluva Boss. However, unlike Helluva Boss, Bojack Horseman is written with more self-awareness that Bojack is a terrible person while Viv tries to white wash Blitzo and Stolas' every action.

How many more writers do you need for a mediocre stream service show, god. I get it, writing is hard, there's too much about trying to make an entertaining story, just grab a committee of idiots and they'll do the work. This isn't The Simpsons for fuck's sake.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Helluva definitely started intentionally edgy but lost it by season 2 for reasons we don't know yet. If i had to theorize, the ship got way too big and Vivzie decided to hard shift the entire focus of the show to Stolitz, but she know how awful shippers are so she had to make it unproblematic and morph it into tragic yaoi so she can milk it for multiple seasons.

Season one was more edgy but it already had the lazy writing of "le heckin capitalism is le heckin bad" early on.

 

[AnOminous]

He didn't even bother to go look for her WHILE Blitzo was being forced to do that acting thing. Has no one realized that? LOONA had to do the job for him. LOONA.

I like that you're saying this wih a Stella avatar. That said I still agree.

 

[Roger Dennis]

Do y’all think Stella cares about Octavia? Like, she genuinely loves her daughter? We don’t see them interact much, but I imagine she’d be a better parent than Stolas.

 

[The Nothingness]

Do y’all think Stella cares about Octavia? Like, she genuinely loves her daughter? We don’t see them interact much, but I imagine she’d be a better parent than Stolas.

Stolas defenders like to the flashback from Ep2 where Stella sent Stolas to comfort Octavia as evidence that Stella is a neglectful mother. Now I am not a parent, have not played one on TV, nor slept at a Holiday Inn Express recently, but I'm sure parents have worked out a system when their child wakes up crying.

The Season 2 finale will likely show tell how Stella and her brother are manipulating Octavia into hating Stolas because the writing will be that obvious.

 

[didelphigina]

Do y’all think Stella cares about Octavia? Like, she genuinely loves her daughter? We don’t see them interact much, but I imagine she’d be a better parent than Stolas.

Heck do we know, man. Show refuses to have them interact with each other. Gotta keep the woman as loud, british, and angry as possible so Stoliz fans can continue finding an excuse to slobber over Stolas being this poor, defenseless gay boy.

This show has been around for nearly five years now. Five. Not once did her and Octavia ever exchanged words. They've planned this. They knew how they were gonna portray Stella. It's inevitable with how it'll end. We just have to suck it up.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Do y’all think Stella cares about Octavia? Like, she genuinely loves her daughter? We don’t see them interact much, but I imagine she’d be a better parent than Stolas.

Well, Stella did go to Loo Loo Land with Stolas and young Octavia from the portrait we saw of them. And with how classist Stella is portrayed, there's no way you're convincing me she's going to a cheap knock-off circus filled with low class imps as some sort of publicity stunt. She willingly went because her daughter wanted to go. And in a leaked aninatic for the season 2's finale, we can say Octavia looking at an old photograph of both Stella and Stolas looking down at their young daughter lovingly. So at least, at one point in this story, yes, Stella loves Octavia. Whether that gets retconned as well, we'll just have to wait and see.

And, yes, I know the Fandom loves to point out Stella telling Stolas to go check up on Octavia at night. But if you grew up in a two-parent household, you know that usually only one parent would go to your room to comfort you after you woke up from a nightmare. Especially if the other parent had to get up early for work. This is why before, I theorized that Stolas was most likely the stay-at-home dad who worked from home, while Stella did more of the public duties.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

I can't fathom actually watching this show, if I listen to a musical for more than a couple seconds, my flesh start falling off.
But I'm happy some of you are enjoying it, you can tell ol girl put a lot of effort into it.

 

[AnOminous]

I can't fathom actually watching this show, if I listen to a musical for more than a couple seconds, my flesh start falling off.
But I'm happy some of you are enjoying it, you can tell ol girl put a lot of effort into it.

Call me gay, but give me a Stephen Sondheim musical and I'm okay.

 

[Peewee Herman]

That I have yet to know. For a show set in hell, everything has the same morals as of earth.

For a show set in hell it sure lacks of what makes hell hellish. This dimension is really not all that bad and to me seems like a pretty decent place to live. From what i've seen the worst of what is shown in Helluva Boss and Hazbin is just gang warfare and murder. But it's no worse than it is on earth. I thought this was supposed to be a place of eternal damnation and suffering not fucking Chicago.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Yeah I started out with this Stella is just horrible view because she's obviously intended as a one-dimensional villain, because Vivz is more misogynistic than most incels. And yet, try to put yourself in her position. Wouldn't you absolutely hate this faggot with a furious passion too? Can you really blame Stella for having absolutely lost her mind with loathing?

I’ll never understand people (mostly women for some reason) who to bat for degenerate fags over women.

Even if she decided to go with Stella being the villain, why couldn’t she at least show her interacting with her own daughter? Am I supposed to just believe they have no relationship at all? Is Viv too insecure about giving personality and nuance to a homophobe? Why do I have a hunch this is the dynamic she’s gonna pull with Lucifer, Lilith, and Charlie in Hazbin Hotel?

 

[Chilson]

I’ll never understand people (mostly women for some reason) who to bat for degenerate fags over women.

Because women are far more horny for men than men are for women, and horny brain wants the faggot fantasy without any of the guilt of reality. Women are just protected in media from this fact while men are portrayed far more horny brained than they really are.

Not to mention that women can get sex far easier than men can, which helps curb the more strange sexual fantasies from leaking into their public life.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Because women are far more horny for men than men are for women

Lol no