Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[LucasSomething]

Getting back to my whole "profile picture test" from a few months back, I have infact been seeing more HH pfps than I did a few months ago, so there's that. It's not as widespread as MLP pfps during its height, though. At least not yet.

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What I call bullcrap on is this sudden uptick on Google Trends. Like, I know the series came out in January and all, but I have seen way more fanart for TADC than I have for Hazbin. The series can't have already eclipsed TADC when that series outdid HH's pilot's views in only a few months time.

Has anyone else here noticed anything that backs this data up?

If i had to guess, Hazbin has much more "internet culture fodder" than TADC. Dozens of characters, ship wars, creator drama, dedicated hatedom, a full season with a very divisive ending, filled with manchildren, years of controversy, cosplayers and convention presence, theory and lore baiting, dedicated youtube channels etc.

TADC has 2 episodes and only 5-7 (?) notable characters, half of them being weird freaks with non conventional designs. It's got millions of views so fast because it's targeted at children and the episodes are avaiable in 20 languages, and children mostly stay locked in content farms and buying merch instead of making their entire online personality about it.

In other words, Hazbin just has way more "terminally online fans". Compare this to the the TADC thread, where we keep sperging near everyday while user there simply comment once about the last TADC episode amd move on.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

https://x.com/IMPmurderpros/status/1827574658121789542?s=19

Looks like we're getting another short on Saturday. Kind of felt they would wait until September, but it is what it is. From the setup, it looks like Blitzø is going to kill Viv? Or at least someone like Viv.

 

[A Grey Cat]

https://x.com/IMPmurderpros/status/1827574658121789542?s=19

Looks like we're getting another short on Saturday. Kind of felt they would wait until September, but it is what it is. From the setup, it looks like Blitzø is going to kill Viv? Or at least someone like Viv.

Oh so Viv remembered her show is about imps killing people for money for once?

Edit: it's called sarcasm people.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

For what it's worth, I hadn't heard about Helluva Boss at all until coming to this thread, and I was already somewhat familiar with Viv. Come to think of it, the few people I know who are really into Hazbin have never mentioned Helluva Boss. I do feel like they might be in the minority as any of the videos I've seen discussing Hazbin usually mention HB as also existing and sometimes saying the two share writing issues. I definitely don't think it's a stretch to say Hazbin is the more popular of the two, and it being on Amazon and opened to a wider audience has only increased that gap.

Getting back to my whole "profile picture test" from a few months back, I have infact been seeing more HH pfps than I did a few months ago, so there's that. It's not as widespread as MLP pfps during its height, though. At least not yet.

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What I call bullcrap on is this sudden uptick on Google Trends. Like, I know the series came out in January and all, but I have seen way more fanart for TADC than I have for Hazbin. The series can't have already eclipsed TADC when that series outdid HH's pilot's views in only a few months time.

Has anyone else here noticed anything that backs this data up?

Number 1: That's terror. Terror built into the system.

Anyway, funny jokes aside - I've been scouring the internet as of late for Vivienne's creation. I decided to check both Hazbin & Helluva (at least in essays) and I thought the former is much more interesting as a concept (redeem sinners) compared to the latter (kill people, but people who deserve to be killed; that became almost a soft romance story with touches of... eh light smut? Not actual intercourse, but insinuating). And I also decided to check fan stuff like comics, VRChat stuff, people (VAs) roleplaying as characters and I must make something clear: You'd be surprised how many people are in the chat on livestreams or at comment sections who claim to be around 12-15. This show is not meant to be for anyone below 16, and that scares me, but knowing our society...
Not only that, I saw there's stuff like AUs where Angel Dust is a pimp, Alastor sings Poison, kind of stuff you'd see at Undertale where you swap character roles around endlessly. It's basically a mishmash of My Little Pony + Undertale in regards to fandom all over again, except this time it has a cartoon series and it's "edgy", so teens can enjoy too.

I honestly think there's potential for Hazbin Hotel to stick around for a while. I wouldn't be amazed if it even becomes the polar opposite of "Bluey" even: With the former meant to be for "teendults" but enjoyed by "children", while Bluey is enjoyed by adults. Much like how it was with Call of Duty & Pokémon before Fortnite.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

You'd be surprised how many people are in the chat on livestreams or at comment sections who claim to be around 12-15. This show is not meant to be for anyone below 16, and that scares me, but knowing our society...

To be fair, a lot of the kids who grew up with Newgrounds during its peak were most likely around the same age when they discovered it.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

To be fair, a lot of the kids who grew up with Newgrounds during its peak were most likely around the same age when they discovered it.

Funny you say that, I liked looking up for Mario fan games back in 2005-2007 (during my 11-13 years of age), unless you mean NewGrounds back when it was 1998-2000. Man, what a trip down the memory lane with those crazy flash animations. Guess I'm not the one to talk after all. But credit where is due: I didn't click on those that had ratings of "mature" or "adult". Thought it was """scary""" (yeah, I was a goofball).

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I think a thing with Hazbin's popularity is the colorful characters that are more varied than Helluva's, the musical numbers, the fact it keeps to its premise (while it is not a weekly series about redeeming sinners, the goal of the hotel and preventing exterminations are still a focus), and not derailing the entire show to focus on a character who was previously a side character.

Also Apology Tour is a worse episode the more I think about it because it could've been better if it was about Blitzo and Verosika instead of uwu Stolas is a crybaby. Whoever made that Striker edit, please be a prophet and the show ends with Stolas being killed.

 

[smile.jpg]

I recently went to a con and man, I saw so many Hazbin Hotel cosplayers that surprised me.

Though LMAO I didn't see a single Helluva Boss one, this anecdote may be nothing but it is funny how no one seems to give as much of a shit about it.

The last con I went to only had one (1) hazbin hotel cosplayer, a little boy dressed up as charlie's dad, either you just went to a pozzed con or things have gotten more dire in a short time.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

The last con I went to only had one (1) hazbin hotel cosplayer, a little boy dressed up as charlie's dad, either you just went to a pozzed con or things have gotten more dire in a short time.

I was just at a con and saw absolutely no HH cosplayers, which was a surprise. Shitton of the usual suspects (anime and video game characters of all stripes, furries, tacticool dudez, a few movie characters splashed in here and there). I also didn't see art of the characters at any of the booths. I was kinda surprised.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

I was just at a con and saw absolutely no HH cosplayers, which was a surprise. Shitton of the usual suspects (anime and video game characters of all stripes, furries, tacticool dudez, a few movie characters splashed in here and there). I also didn't see art of the characters at any of the booths. I was kinda surprised.

You see? HH is all about Twitter.

 

[Weppers]

To be fair, a lot of the kids who grew up with Newgrounds during its peak were most likely around the same age when they discovered it.

Yeah and how did that turn out< what have those kids been up to since then

 

[nevertosubmit88]

From the setup, it looks like Blitzø is going to kill Viv? Or at least someone like Viv.

Nah it looks more like an e-girl gamer if the cat earphones is anything to go by. Still though, fingers crossed

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Nah it looks more like an e-girl gamer if the cat earphones is anything to go by. Still though, fingers crossed

My bet is that he's going to pussy out, but hope I'm proven wrong.

 

[AnOminous]

Whoever made that Striker edit, please be a prophet and the show ends with Stolas being killed.

She more or less beclowned Striker once she didn't have Norman Reedus to voice him any more.

Too bad, a promising character, one of the few actually scary villains the show has had.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

You'd be surprised how many people are in the chat on livestreams or at comment sections who claim to be around 12-15. This show is not meant to be for anyone below 16

I'm not too surprised, I think that's the main age range. Well, I'd probably say 12-18 is the primary, with like 19-25 being the second. At the risk of beating a dead horse, if Viv's shows were made like 20 years ago, they'd be perfect for that late night block of Adult Swim, leading into Aqua Teen Hungerforce or Drawn Together or something like that. Pretty sure if I was in highschool today, the Hot Topic kids would have notebooks filled with drawings of their HH self-inserts instead of <insert popular show from your highschool time here> (FMA and Deathnote are the two big ones that I can recall off the top of my head)

There might be a few jokes that technically go over the heads of people in that age range, I'm sure that was the same with some of South Park's satire but my dumbass young self/kids in my school were still enjoying it at a pretty young age.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Nah it looks more like an e-girl gamer if the cat earphones is anything to go by. Still though, fingers crossed

She actually does have cat headphones. Again, this could be a stretch, but with the hair and the way Viv usually draws herself, I do want to say it's some equivalent of Viv. Maybe Blitzø is going to kill members of the Spindlehorse crew? I don't know.

Anyway, this is not a Viv only thing, but I do find it funny when artists draw themselves looking better than in real life. Though, it would be funny to get the animated equivalent of this.

Boy, running two shows simultaneously has really done a number on her...

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

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Boy, running two shows simultaneously has really done a number on her...

That's not actually her on the right, is it?

 

[InJailOutSoon]

That's not actually her on the right, is it?

It is.

 

[ssaneenah]

I think Stolas is so unlikable because his (original) personality doesnt match his current backstory, thus leading ti a bizarre hypocrisy whiplash.

Characters in fiction shouldn't be likeable, in my opinion, especially if they're not made to sell shirts or twenty dollar plastic cutouts. The purpose of their existence will be achieved if you're captivated by what they do with their motives given reasons for. For me, I find Stolas to be the most unbearable and repulsive character in the series at the moment, which is a shame, because I absolutely adore his design reminiscent of furryfyed Grimm from Hollow Knight. His relationship with Blitz confuses me at most, as judging by their characters I can't find any cause why Blitz would decide to hang out with him in the first place: Stolas is a huge hypocrite with surface-level emotional intelligence, completely illogical feelings and his value of Blitz supported by the fact that he makes him "not feel lonely" is derogatorily deranged. I'm not sure if it would have been a better option to move with a more Stella-like-minus-anger-management-issues Stolas from the pilot, but it could be so much fascinating to witness their interaction in a form of a more intuitive relationship where both would want, but struggle to settle with each other because of different standards and beliefs, without openly emphasizing the fact that they have very subtle and sentimental mutual feelings. Instead there's a gay bird with a child that cucks his wife with a toony fiend.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

Characters in fiction shouldn't be likeable, in my opinion, especially if they're not made to sell shirts or twenty dollar plastic cutouts. The purpose of their existence will be achieved if you're captivated by what they do with their motives given reasons for.

I agree with the Stolas sucks part of your post, but I disagree with the idea characters shouldn't be likeable. Likeability is a big part of being captivated by what they do. If I don't like a character, it's hard to find what they're doing interesting because I won't really care what's going on with them. I think it's a big reason Hazbin is so bad, a lot of the characters are just so bland and boring and having no real charm to them, and the few that are likeable or potentially interesting tend to get shoved in the background so the bland and boring characters can take center stage. Or characters that seemed likeable in the pilot ultimately became boring and unlikeable in the main series.

It can also make or break the premise of a show. With shows like Dexter, where the main character is an undeniably bad person, you need to have said character be likeable, otherwise, all you have is hate watchers tuning in each week waiting to see if he dies. Hazbin fans latched onto Adam because he was likeable compared to the rest of the cast. And I think that was due to him basically saying he wants to murder all the likeable characters. If he was constantly threatening people the audience actually cared about, I'm sure he'd lose most of his fanbase. Smaller, more character focused shows are also make or break on whether the characters are likeable. Something like Six Feet Under would fall apart if you don't like at least some of the main characters because the show is really just about them.

But being a likeable character doesn't have to mean the same thing as being a likeable person. Obviously, we wouldn't befriend someone in the real world who wasn't likeable, but with fictional characters, you can like a character even if they're an in-universe monster. While he is by no means a monster, it's one of the reasons Kramer was so popular on Seinfeld. In reality, I don't think anyone would actually want to be friends with a guy like that who has zero respect for your privacy and constantly takes your food/personal items or rope you into crazy, potentially harmful schemes, but as a viewer, all those zany things are precisely what makes him likeable. Similarly, a show with the Bizzaro cast from that one episode where Elaine makes new friends that are the opposite of the main cast wouldn't work because, while all of those people are friendly and probably great to hang around in real life, following their plotlines would be really boring, so we wouldn't like the characters. It's also why a lot of Mary-sue types fail as characters, they're usually doing good things in the universe and making it a better place, but they just come off as so unlikeable that it's hard to care or root for them, even if what they're doing is good and their motivation makes sense.