Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Also I'd put money on Angel's Mafia ties being extremely downplayed whenever his backstory plays out, because we can't have the audience remotely feel that he's getting his dose of karma with how Valentino treats him.

Because Valentino is a pimp and rapist and people are gonna side with the faggots all the time, especially the bottom. Assuming Viv is not going to fuck up Angel Dust's story, gay men were not allowed in the mafia during his time (I've seen an article in the recent times that a branch of the Ndrangheta mafia began allowing gay men in because the boss's son outside the life is a drag queen, but only for low ranks) so OH NO POOR CWOSETED ANGEL BABY. Here's the thing - many organized crime groups did the same thing, if not worse. OH WOW. OK. Do you care more for his gender or the people he's decided to hurt? Outside pressure to join is not even an excuse for these actions, though it's a tough choice. I've read somewhere there was a mafia group that backed gay bars, but even then, I'm pretty sure they didn't care about the LGBT community and just wanted money, money, money. But again, it's never Angel Dust's fault thanks to gender.





Well, the mafia and organized crime as a whole has been so romanticized in fiction. Usually they are portrayed as the ones to root for in the storylines. However, I know that in the Godfather, Ford Copolla said Michael wasn't someone to root for and gave him a sad ending where he loses everything he cared for because of his bad actions. Casino had the lead get beaten and buried alive. Lethal Weapon 4, though it was a comedy, had the triad dudes killed. Black Lagoon is a cynical show presenting the criminals as jaded, insane, and very stressed out by their lifestyle, ready to die in some way. There are Mafia films centered around the straight-laced cops and snitches (even if the snitches are telling for more selfish reasons) and rooting for them. I mean, look at Corleone, Sicily. It has a reputation for producing outlaws and mafias and they're all so ashamed they made a whole museum thanking the officials who managed to stomp the criminal's shit.


And actually good Angel Dust backstory? To suit the times Angel was born in, how about this? Have him realize he's a gay man while he's already gentle, pacifist, crybaby, and effeminate. Considering the rules against lgbt people in his time, he would be scared and paranoid, and since he's a drug addict already, desperate for money, he'd join a crime family also to prove his masculinity and toughness. There. He's made his choice. He decided to hurt innocent people instead of working whatever normal job there is, like in a shop or something (but I'm not speaking like any 9-5 is easy especially in the past; I'd still choose that over doing such terrible actions then receiving big comeuppance). But no. Viv is going to have Angel Dust and the capo mafiosos kill homophobes and racists on screen to make them look sympathetic instead of showing how they dealt with innocent, desperate people, considering how it was dago against dago in their communities and many Italian-Americans trying to put up businesses or get jobs to scrape by were actually really frightened and ashamed of the mob.
 
I've read somewhere there was a mafia group that backed gay bars, but even then, I'm pretty sure they didn't care about the LGBT community and just wanted money, money, money.
The most famous is one you've probably heard of, Stonewall. This was run by the Genovese family. Sure there was money in it for the bar itself, for prostitution (including of minors), but much more importantly, for blackmail purposes, since all the homos went there including powerful politicians and police.
 
I've seen this in a YouTube comment on a fancomic and fandub during the pilot era. It said that the hotel may serve as a place where people can practice the 7 Heavenly Virtues safely and change themselves genuinely. Once they show they can genuinely be good, they will be redeemed. Honestly, good idea. It will show that being a good person and improving yourself, even if it goes against the status quo, requires effort and willingness to progress.

I also thought that Viv should be able to take inspiration from the actual bible, the story of Esther specifically. Esther managed to convince the king to allow the Jews to fight back when attacked because someone manipulated the king into making a rule to kill the Jews and it cannot be changed due to royal customs. In Hazbin, once Charlie has redeemed a significant number of sinners, maybe 7 for the biblical thing, she can convince heaven and hell to allow the sinners to fight back in a way (well, there will be some who'll die anyway).

Viv's fault, even if it was the Amazon time crunch. She could have focused on redeeming Sir Pentious first for the first time crunch, answered questions for the second with another group, third, fourth, so on, slowly building up everything within the Amazon cuts, from sinners, redemption, 7 virtues, convincing heaven to allow sinners to fight back. Well, all of this would be easier if Viv didn't bring in actual biblical figures.


Again, I'm not a bigot Christian, but the way Viv presents these characters and personalities is indeed from the perspective of someone so angry at religion in general. First time I've seen people diss Viv's take on biblical characters was with St. Simon Peter. They were all laughing at how weird the dude looked, Viv's tendency to make everyone a twink, and how St. Simon Peter didn't look like someone who would cut off a man's ear in a fit of rage. Someone even called out how Viv messed up with Adam and St. Simon Peter, like, what is she doing to them? I knew something was up from there by the way she portrayed him as some twink, weak-looking white boy.


Next, I'm sure she's gonna show heaven is so strict and authoritarian like Nazis and Hunger Games and will prove it by having a character relapse into bad behavior and justifiably get kicked out. Well, if you start hurling racist, sexist, homophobic slurs in a restaurant, spit in people's faces, and trash the area, and being violent, do you expect to be allowed to stay?
 
Pretty certain that all backstories, with the exception of Pentious and Alastor thanks to the leaks, and broadstrokes to Angel, are little more than fanfiction. Don't know where people are getting a hit and run being tied with Husk's backstory or Cherri being killed in an explosion during a riot.
I think its less fan fiction and the fact so much shit Viv tossee around on streams, Twitter and etc, it becomes hard to figure which stuff was geniune concepts, which were jokes (hell for a while fans believed that Husk was a 'Nam vet and this was later explained to be a joke on a stream) or what were ideas and then they backpedalled on. Frankly, it feels with some characters she never did think a proper backstory and just changes stuff on a dime or whatever works that day (hell, at one point she claimed that Vox was trans, when theres jack shit to back that stuff up)
 
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I think its less fan fiction and the fact so much shit Viv tossee around on streams, Twitter and etc, it becomes hard to figure which stuff was geniune concepts, which were jokes (hell for a while fans believed that Husk was a 'Nam vet and this was later explained to be a joke on a stream) or what were ideas and then they backpedalled on. Frankly, it feels with some characters she never did think a proper backstory and just changes stuff on a dime or whatever works that day (hell, at one point she claimed that Vox was trans, when theres jack shit to back that stuff up)
It's a pretty serious problem when you can't differentiate jokes from a character's actual backstory
 
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From my limited knowledge I've heard it's got a decent following in Japan, moreso than I thought honestly.
Makes sense if you remember Japan loves the cutesy monster aesthetic like with the Nightmare Before Christmas, do like western "edgy" shows like South Park, and Japan has one of the biggest fujo communities out there.
 
Hold up what? I swear artists that worked on the shorts talked about how they all got fired because they made little profit, and they were told they aren't gonna continue them anymore. Either there's lies going around or she's just burning through money
 
It'd have made sense if Husk was a gambling addict who was so addicted to the point of extreme violence like BossManJack (a gambling YouTuber who keeps on raging and is so rude to his parents and I think he actually got arrested) and he has realized too late what that violence has led him to - Hell. So now, he just prefers to yell or mutter because he's so jaded.

Like, ok, the hit and run was bad, but what? Does that compare to the magnitude of Angel being a mobster who killed and tortured rivals or Alastor being a literal serial killer?

BTW, I don't know, but Cherri was not IRA. I think she was Australian and was protesting in a riot then died in an explosion.
Bro it's so fucking RIGGED dude only 7 studs and they always put it on the first punch I swear it's such a fucking scam dude, this is SO WRONG. Oh my god I just broke my hand :lossmanjack: I fucking hate my life bro oh well have a good night guys I'm gonna fuck a dude

In all seriousness, there's always the degree of seriousness in what you did in your life. But you got to wonder if this show has even a plot at this point?
 
In all seriousness, there's always the degree of seriousness in what you did in your life. But you got to wonder if this show has even a plot at this point?

Mark my words, the plot is definitely going to be a revolution against heaven because OH NOES CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN VALUEZ ARE SEGGSIST AND HOMOPHOBIC SO UNFAAIIIIRRR.
 
I realized that no one else brought this up, so I'm going to: Why did Millie do the pregnancy test at Blitzø's apartment?

I know it's so Blitzø or someone else can find it later on, but story wise it doesn't make sense. We see them come to the apartment later in different cloethes after that whole ordeal with Andrealphus, so why didn't she do the pregnancy test at home before they came to the Christmas party?

And you can't say, "Well she didn't want Moxxie to find out", because there is even a higher chance for that at the party cause there are more people there.
 
I realized that no one else brought this up, so I'm going to: Why did Millie do the pregnancy test at Blitzø's apartment?

I know it's so Blitzø or someone else can find it later on, but story wise it doesn't make sense. We see them come to the apartment later in different cloethes after that whole ordeal with Andrealphus, so why didn't she do the pregnancy test at home before they came to the Christmas party?

And you can't say, "Well she didn't want Moxxie to find out", because there is even a higher chance for that at the party cause there are more people there.
Knowing Blitzo he's the kind if guy that digs through the trash and is definitely going to see that and either assume it's Loona or Millie. Unironically, if they do go the abortion route it would be a funny moment if Blitzo asks if he can keep it or eat it. Hell if Viv played them ore like demons and monsters it would be like if Ren seeks Help. Which would be a breath of fresh air for the series. To be about actually horrible creatures doing horrible things (without justification)
 
I can't decide if an abortion arc or Millie having a baby arc would be funnier. On one hand you can capture the zeitgeist of doomer anti-natalists in le current year who actually delight in the idea of aborting pregnancies, which would be horrifying/funny to look back on in 10-20 years time. But on the other hand if Millie had a baby and maintained a stable family dynamic, it would be such a funny contrast to the volatility of the toxic canon gay ship and maybe make viewers say, "What did Vivzie mean by this?"
 
I honestly cannot fathom Vivziepop going for an abortion storyline. No way she would pass up an "awwww cute baby" moment for an emotional gut punch, something she has never done before. Viv also doesn't do black humor, so she wouldn't use an abortion for that. Most likely, this plotline will get milked for drama a few episodes, with Millie considering an abortion. Then eventually she reconciles with Moxie and keeps the kid and everyone lives happily everafter and also there's a baby now in the series.

I also believe that Viv and/or Rogers would rather focus on melodrama between Blitz and Stolitz, so Millie will probably be left on the sidelines, like usual.
 
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