Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Hellaverse fans when demons do bad things:
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Every day I wonder how things would be if either of these shows followed up on or stayed true to their initial premise.

Loona just looks cute because she's in a cartoon. The picture used just looks badass because it's a painted fanart. Put that thing in reality and mark my words, you will get the guy's reaction.
Nigga it's just a dog person. Freaky? maybe, but he literally sees an actual demon in a shitty disguise earlier that'd look INFINITELY more freaky in real life. It's not an artstyle thing it's a comedy gag.
 
While the twist ending was predictable the fact that there was an actual sweet conversation and Loona even getting some character development just to go fuck you and die good hearted straight man!
What's to expect? If you're a woman in Viv's show or if you're not her favorite fag, then you get no development. Helluva Boss is a weird show - it manages to be both feminist and sexist. It has a lot of female/effeminate characters, but then, it doesn't develop the female characters. OR, Viv sees being violent and heavy-handed as "character development "

What are you talking about. Feminists are the real sexists, or what I call them, Femibullies. Fujoshis like Viv have taken over the movement, and prefer gay men in lady face, and troons to biological females, whether they are real or fictional.

Is it me, or does Vivzie's female characters have the same body types as the fem boy characters?
 
Is it me, or does Vivzie's female characters have the same body types as the fem boy characters?
Angel Dust is a prominent example. I actually thought he was a silly-voiced girl character first time I saw the pilot. I wonder if Viv just actually wanted to make a boob joke with the fluff on his chest. That was hilarious because I saw a lot of Troons cry about this. Viv offending her own target audience is just funny or maybe some people just want to be offended about something.
 
John? I'll be waiting, John.
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Think would be funnier if they ran into him.


I guess people either forgot about the Pilot or just assume each of the IMPs targets is usually a scumbag...if you dont count the weeb girl...and the mexican guy....wait..
Good point!
And that's why I like the ending. Because it reminds the audience that our protagonists are shitty people and are no better than the supposed antagonists. Though I'll admit the ending would have probably been funnier if when Loona transformed the guy's face went aghast, go back to Loona who is still smiling, then go back to the guy who's expression hasn't changed, then back to Loona who is confused now, and then she waves her hand in front of his face only to realize he died from shock.
Yes, I'm not complaining either as a matter of fact. I think this is a "positive" thing for the show, to remind the audience that you should be mindful to "cheer" for protagonists, as they are not nice creatures after all.
 
Nothing to really comment on, I just thought this was really funny.
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I watched it just a little earlier today and kinda found it funny, if a bit oddly paced and stiffly animated (likely due to how once again both of these shows originally intended for squash stretch funnies shifted to standing still melodrama shit it takes a while to get into the groove of actual dynamic animation) was surprised that despite it being like that it had a form of comedy similar to the earlier episodes. Not as good, but not that bad. As you said though this isn't gonna carry over into the "actual show" so it doesn't even fucking matter.

I did find it kinda weird yet funny though how the mr. rogers reference guy was kinda drawn like the fucking dr. seuss grinch. Like specifically after he rethinks his stance on christmas and gains the a10 aryan eyes.
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He even does the grinch's little crossed hands thing.
EDIT: TOOK SCREENGRABS TO SHOW WHAT I MEAN.
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HE EVEN HAS FLESH COLORED GRINCH FINGERS WHAT THE FUCK
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It's a real pet peeve of mine when humans are drawn with those pointy fingers, beyond the uncanny effect, it gives them demonic features, I can't feel bad for him if he looks like a human-demon.
 
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SINSMAS has been discussed to hell and back but I just want to express appreciation for the very end of "I Will Be Okay". They really nailed the expressions here from Octavia's pained face at the start to her resolute look at the end. The sweet-sounding, high-pitched melody with vibrato to drive home that she is a bird she is hurt but ready to move on. Definitely one of the better songs in the show IMO.
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I don't want to see her reconnect with Stolas but I do hope we see more of Via in S3.
 
SINSMAS has been discussed to hell and back but I just want to express appreciation for the very end of "I Will Be Okay". They really nailed the expressions here from Octavia's pained face at the start to her resolute look at the end. The sweet-sounding, high-pitched melody with vibrato to drive home that she is a bird she is hurt but ready to move on. Definitely one of the better songs in the show IMO.
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I don't want to see her reconnect with Stolas but I do hope we see more of Via in S3.
Octavia is a more tragic Spinel.
 
I don't want to see her reconnect with Stolas
Unfortunately, I think all of us will be disappointed on that end. Remember these writers love nothing more than a good therapy session, and there will be nothing more therapeutic for the Stolas’s of the world, than the daughter, who rightly hates her dad, sees that she’s wrong and comes back crying and begging for his forgiveness. And the normies will think it’s a good ending for them as well, because look at the last short, they’re shocked that the amoral assassins did an amoral assassination. It’s all protag centered morality, and Stolas and IMP are the protagonists. In a better world, people would be rooting for Cherub and Dhorks to win against the IMPs, but for some reason everyone thinks the purple sheep cherub will get a ‘redemption arc’. WHAT REDEMPTION DOES HE NEED?! HE’S THE GOOD GUY IN THIS SCENARIO!
 
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Speaking of Stolas, I came across this on quotes on an Elio tweet. The TL;DR there is that Pixar made a flop, revealed that the child protagonist was supposed to be the director’s gay self insert, and now the Disney tards are seething that it could’ve been a hit if they allowed a child to be gay. Ignoring that not a single soul in the test audience wanted to pay money to see the “best version” of the film.
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One, I thought we killed terms like “pure cinnamon roll”. Two, ah yes, such a sweet example of qieer rep. A demon prince who cheated on his wife, neglected his daughter, and belittles his boytoy and makes him feel confused and shitty. Maybe he really is the represhentation they deserve.
 
One, I thought we killed terms like “pure cinnamon roll”. Two, ah yes, such a sweet example of qieer rep. A demon prince who cheated on his wife, neglected his daughter, and belittles his boytoy and makes him feel confused and shitty. Maybe he really is the represhentation they deserve.
That's the problem when everything is "representation, representation, representation." You might just end up using a stereotype no one will like. I completely understand people raising their brows at Viv's hell verse because so many of the characters in Hell are sex-hungry deviant demons and the person in heaven is an alpha male misogynist.


I have seen queer representation from random people on the Internet better than this and it wasn't the center of everything. I've seen an OC couple being a diplomat and a priest, and even if the diplomat were a woman, it won't change much. And the point of the story actually goes where they drift apart actually and the priest becomes a villain in the religious scene trying to become pope and he dies afterwards. See? Very little stereotypes. The only queer stereotypes I've seen there were both being skinny, effete twinks and the priest liking high heels.

In Helluva Boss? They're all demons, sex-addicted, malicious eapecially when cheating on people, and very toxic to each other when it comes to relationships, woth sex being the only driving point. Add that to being femboy twinks who prostitute themselves. What did Viv mean by that?
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It's a real pet peeve of mine when humans are drawn with those pointy fingers, beyond the uncanny effect, it gives them demonic features, I can't feel bad for him if he looks like a human-demon
Speaking of art, I really have the creeping suspicion almost none of the human appearances were designed by Viv. Not even Mr. Wiggles whose design is SUPER SIMPLE to draw and even animate.

I noticed Viv constantly draws furries and beings with animal and supernatural features because she most probably sucks so bad at making pure human beings look distinct from each other in some way. The details, colors, fur growth direction, muzzles, feet, horns, teeth, and tails of furries are easier to depict than distinct human features.
 
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Speaking of Stolas, I came across this on quotes on an Elio tweet. The TL;DR there is that Pixar made a flop, revealed that the child protagonist was supposed to be the director’s gay self insert, and now the Disney tards are seething that it could’ve been a hit if they allowed a child to be gay. Ignoring that not a single soul in the test audience wanted to pay money to see the “best version” of the film.
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One, I thought we killed terms like “pure cinnamon roll”. Two, ah yes, such a sweet example of qieer rep. A demon prince who cheated on his wife, neglected his daughter, and belittles his boytoy and makes him feel confused and shitty. Maybe he really is the represhentation they deserve.
God that outfit on him was horrible. The stupid boob window for his feathers. And that outfit made him look like a clown. Paimon would be so disappointed in his son kill yourself Stolass
 
I noticed Viv constantly draws furries and beings with animal and supernatural features because she most probably sucks so bad at making pure human beings look distinct from each other in some way.
yep.

This is Jackie from Zoophobia:
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this is Camilla, from the same comic:
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Put these two in the exact same clothes and hair color; I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
 
If anyone's in the mood for some angsty fanwork I found a comic that's 3edgy5me but well-drawn. Here's one of the funnier pages:
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Oh good God, not this one. This was actually discussed before in the forum, and is one of the most sociopathic comics I ever had the displeasure of reading.

Edit: Is the new one just as unhinged and fanficy with how things go down?
 
Oh good God, not this one. This was actually discussed before in the forum, and is one of the most sociopathic comics I ever had the displeasure of reading.

Edit: Is the new one just as unhinged and fanficy with how things go down?
Oops, I accidentally searched for the title of the second one before posting. Sorry about that.

The second one is tryhard misery porn. It's funny in a kind of narm-y way.

Edit: to give a summary: Stella tries to kill Stolas with a blessed pistol. Striker is holding Octavia at knifepoint and forcing her to watch because reasons, I guess?

Anyway, I.M.P. busts in and Striker gets killed. Blitzo stabs Stella with a blessed dagger just as she's about to kill Stolas and she squeezes the trigger as she goes down. Stella, despite being in the middle of getting stabbed and just pulling the trigger without aiming, somehow nails her daughter square in the center of the torso. Via and Stolas have an "emotional" scene where she dies in his arms and he lets out a Vader-esque NNNOOOOOOOO!!!! The end.
 
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God that outfit on him was horrible. The stupid boob window for his feathers. And that outfit made him look like a clown. Paimon would be so disappointed in his son kill yourself Stolass
It's also so obviously sexualized, you know in case it wasn't clear that Stolas is gay. I know we complain all the time about the female characters but the males aren't any far better specially the twinks who only exist to be eye candy for the fujos.

And in all honesty, I wouldn't really care if they just dropped all the pretense of these shows trying to be some kind of uplifting story about oppressed minorities or whatever and just went: "Yeah, we like to draw hot babes and smoking dudes so what?"
Case on point:
 
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