Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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What I liked about this additionally was it focused on period-accurate clothing, vehicles, weapons, and even attitudes.
This comes directly from the comic. Everything from the dialogue vocabulary and slang, to the candy wrappers was all period accurate. The author clearly did her research. The dialogue itself is witty without being "buffy speak" or "Marvel movie", and it isn't profuse with profanity because people didn't curse like that in the 20s.
 
Not bad viv and Co. Action was well animated, humor was good. Loved the jokes about loona still being a dog...a hellbound humanoid one but still a dog more or less. still it's a tough sell to turn blitz and stolas relationship into a legit one given how it started out more less as purely a business arrangement. All in all I'd say a solid 7
 
The first 4 minutes and already we once again have Stella being the most one dimensional character ever conceived, Loona's VA being absent yet again because her character has no spoken lines and they made it so that she's actually scared stiff which is why she doesn't talk (oh so clever), and Brandon saying "Re-eeeealy can't say that word anymore" was kinda funny.

Also lol Norman Reedus is no longer the voice of Striker. Sorry Viv, for those kinds of actors you need proper connections, and actual creativity. :story:
 
and it isn't profuse with profanity because people didn't curse like that in the 20s.
Kid I don't wanna be that guy but people cussed like crazy back on the 20s. I think the only reason they don't have cusses out the wazoo is cause unlike vivs body of work they wanna appeal to kids browsing youtube...even if they don't SAY it...their kind never admits they wanna appeal to kids. Because yeah lackadaisy may be beautifully animated and well written but never forget the kind of people it was made by.

Imagine vivzie if she took her mask off, the one she wears to try and appeal to everyone not just the echo chambers of drooling terminally online idiots.
 
Also lol Norman Reedus is no longer the voice of Striker. Sorry Viv, for those kinds of actors you need proper connections, and actual creativity. :story:
Well you also need an actual schedule. Even if she were Jesus incarnate, he still has real jobs and can't just drop them at random intervals.
 
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Pros:
  • Having an action-oriented episode was a nice change of things from the previous ones
  • Moxxie and Millie got shit done against Striker (also Moxxie holding his own against the bikers)
  • Striker is still alive so he may be back in future episodes
  • Showing more of Hell's social climate with the mom and child viewing Blitzo as a lesser demon
  • Good gag with the western singing troupe
Cons:
  • What the hell is going on with Stella's brother? The way he complimented her just sounded too intimate. Is Viv going to go down the incest route?
  • Stella had more lines in this episode than Millie or Loona. I guess their further development will come soon :roll:
  • And Stella's character will continue to be one-dimensional as she will likely kill her own daughter to get everything Stolas has
  • Why can't the show stay consistent with what gets censored and what doesn't? And why would Blitzo have standards by no longer saying "retard"?
 
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Very average episode. Sucks they replaced Norman Reedus (not that there's anything wrong with Edward Bosco, I love him) but I suppose it's not too unexpected. At least Millie wasn't the only one who did stuff this time. The music was pretty bad.

I actually liked how incestuous Andrealphus' interactions with Stella were, they immediately let you know that he's a creepy weirdo who's no better than his sister. With how flamboyant his design is, I just think it's a nice change of pace instead of making him another stereotypical gay like Stolas.

Edit: Both Ed and Viv tweeted about him being Striker's new VA, with Viv claiming it happened because Norman got too busy.
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Kid I don't wanna be that guy but people cussed like crazy back on the 20s. I think the only reason they don't have cusses out the wazoo is cause unlike vivs body of work they wanna appeal to kids browsing youtube...even if they don't SAY it...their kind never admits they wanna appeal to kids. Because yeah lackadaisy may be beautifully animated and well written but never forget the kind of people it was made by.
People did not run around dropping f-bombs every other sentence in the 20s. People back in the day just didn't cuss like that in polite society. There is still some period appropriate profanity, but its nothing like what you would see in a Seth Rogen film, as it should be. And a show about bootlegging cats murdering each other is definitely not for kids, nor does the original comic pretend to be.
 
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I don't know how their relationship is interpreted as incestuous because it seems more like Andrealphus is talking flowery and full of compliments because not only is Stella characterized as abusive, cruel and angry but also vain, stupid and impulsive now needing to have the concept of "consequences" explained to her as if she were a child, making her credible threat level non-existent. Stella doesn't even have the competence to be the brains of the operation, now Andrealphus has to control her to continue the drama.

I want to know how Octavia will react to this episode, this was a public assassination attempt with witnesses in the middle of the day with Stella and her brother on the scene, it was forced before but now there is no excuse for her to side with her mother or against the father, but I know that they will still prolong this drama.

I also didn't like that the purpose of this episode was to make Blitz guilty because Stolas was hurt to emotionally blackmail him into returning to the relationship in the future, since according to episode 2 the breakup was not so impactful and they are still on good terms terms to hook up and flirt with each other

there was a murder attempt on a prince with a plot of conspiracy and betrayal and the protagonists had to intervene and sadly the show is not about how the characters are going to solve it but about how it affects the romance melodrama
 
People did not run around dropping f-bombs every other sentence in the 20s. People back in the day just didn't cuss like that in polite society. There is still some period appropriate profanity, but its nothing like what you would see in a Seth Rogen film, as it should be. And a show about bootlegging cats murdering each other is definitely not for kids, nor does the original comic pretend to be.
It's sort of like how David Milch wanted to have period appropriate swearing in Deadwood until he realized that while language was rough in the territories, it wasn't mostly sex or body based obscenities but profanity, and making it period appropriate would have everyone sounding like Yosemite Sam.

While we use words "curse" and "swear" to this day, what's more common is outright obscenity. It used to be that actual cursing and swearing was more common, with the rare obscenity here and there.
 
I want to know how Octavia will react to this episode, this was a public assassination attempt with witnesses in the middle of the day with Stella and her brother on the scene, it was forced before but now there is no excuse for her to side with her mother or against the father, but I know that they will still prolong this drama.
And I have a feeling that it will be memory holed, it doesn't seem like new episodes recall what happened in previous ones. I feel like Viv just forgets what she wrote for the last episode and she writes the next one with the same general guidelines of Stella being a cunt, Stolas being a gay idiot, Millie and Moxxie being a couple etc etc.
 
and I also have the feeling that very little is accomplished in these episodes, in the first we know that Stolas is sad to have separated from Blitz and he started his divorce, in the second he forgets about the conflict between them he acts the same as before and now he casually calls Blitz and their conversation is normal between them as if the separation doesn't matter and his divorce is still on hold with no progress.

if you see the messages at the end it's about Stolas speaking very apologetically to Blitz with a passive tone "we couldn't hang out together if you have some time for me, sorry to bother you, don't be mad" like, which is not reflected in any way in their interactions.
Viv can't commit to a constant tone for this drama, should I feel sad that they're apart when there's not much difference from before?

and also Striker teleported, no matter how much smoke the statue raised he would not disappear so quickly, I believe since Sir Pentious became a fan favorite when he was supposed to be a one and done villain Viv does not commit to killing anyone but of goons or extras and as much as I love recurring villains, Striker's job could have been done by any hired killer because his characterization was made to clash with Blitz. with others he is just a boss fight
 
Hot take: seeing Stella in this episode as a petty idiot explains her character and... that's not bad? Not every female villain needs to be a "boss-ass bitch" with genius plans. I kind of like seeing her being an evil dumb cunt who was likely married off to Stolas to secure bloodlines/an heir (that lines up all too well with traditional aristocratic tendencies tbh). As long as they make Andrealphus and that family's plans clear, this can work...

...which is kind of a big IF honestly, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Also, he was barely in the episode but the skeevyness of Andrealphus was great and I want to see more.

The first 4 minutes and already we once again have Stella being the most one dimensional character ever conceived

What the hell is going on with Stella's brother? The way he complimented her just sounded too intimate. Is Viv going to go down the incest route?

I actually liked how incestuous Andrealphus' interactions with Stella were, they immediately let you know that he's a creepy weirdo who's no better than his sister. With how flamboyant his design is, I just think it's a nice change of pace instead of making him another stereotypical gay like Stolas.

I don't know how their relationship is interpreted as incestuous because it seems more like Andrealphus is talking flowery and full of compliments because not only is Stella characterized as abusive, cruel and angry but also vain, stupid and impulsive now needing to have the concept of "consequences" explained to her as if she were a child, making her credible threat level non-existent. Stella doesn't even have the competence to be the brains of the operation, now Andrealphus has to control her to continue the drama.
None of these interpretations are mutually-exclusive and can lead to some entertaining/messed-up Lannister/Targaryen shit which could be fun for the "bad guys" of the show. Again, I'm cautiously optimistic...
 
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Hot take: seeing Stella in this episode as a petty idiot explains her character and... that's not bad? Not every female villain needs to be a "boss-ass bitch" with genius plans. I kind of like seeing her being an evil dumb cunt who was likely married off to Stolas to secure bloodlines/an heir (that lines up all too well with traditional aristocratic tendencies tbh). As long as they make Andrealphus and that family's plans clear, this can work...

...which is kind of a big IF honestly, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Also, he was barely in the episode but the skeevyness of Andrealphus was great and I want to see more.
the problem is the inconsistent characterization she has, in her first scenes she was portrayed as an angry wife because of the humiliation of being cheated, worried how the other Goetias will react and how Stolas' actions are ruining the family name, she knows the consequences and prioritizes her public image, even the connection and contract with Striker was done without the public suspecting or relating her to the attack.

and the fact that Octavia still spends time with her and blames Stolas for the fights indicates that she is very good at hiding her behavior even indoors, which would require restraint, intelligence, and manipulative ability since Stolas is much stronger than her and he could just react to the abuse but she keeps him under control and weak in her presence

in episode 1 S2 the discussion she has with Stolas she keeps herself controlled and restrained even with his defiance and reminds him again of the consequences of his actions, the reaction of the Goetias and talks about how she wants to torment him, do you think that someone who values so much her status wouldn't know that all Stolas' assets would go to Octavia and she would be left with nothing?

the problem is not "female villain can't be stupid" and Stela is not a genius either but she is not at that level of stupidity of sabotaging her ambitions because she just wants to kill him so much that she makes such a public attack on Stolas, with her at the crime scene and needs Andrealphus to remind her of her own plan. She was lucky Striker hadn't killed Stolas when she called or he'd picked up the phone at that moment in the first place.

Stella's characterization at this point in the show changes to fit the idea of the day and not align with her previous actions. it will be difficult to have her perspective on this conflict that is not one-dimensional, even the presence and influence of the other Goetias and their reaction in this situation is vague, if this were to be a drama of noble families their opinion and actions would be more impactful, which would help fleshing out her motivations in the form of pressure.
 
And Stella's character will continue to be one-dimensional as she will likely kill her own daughter to get everything Stolas has
Honestly, she's only been on screen for a few minutes over the duration of the show and I'm already fed up with her presence. This is the point where she needs to die because now she's past any sort of point of redemption for me. If Vivienne Medrano is trying desperately to convey her as being anything other than a murderous and materialistic psychopath who just wants stuff, she's failed and she's failed beyond any kind of point of return.
 
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