Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Maybe Heaven isn't as flat evil as the trailer made it out to be, but I'm still damn sure Viv won't commit to Heaven nevertheless be objectively better than Hell despite it being flawed, especially with her liking that 'Sinners and Angels are the same' tweet.
I want to say I doubt it will be and that there'll be a couple good characters from Heaven at the least, but that could be wishful thinking. If nothing has changed since those notes were written then Sera is likely among them, but Viv also may have taken a 180 with her and decided to make her sadistic, like she supposedly did with Lilith if those leaks are real.

My guess is that they're going to try for nuance but still portray most of Heaven as the bad guys.
 
So, people are currently arguing if this angel chick in the trailer is supposed to be a villain or not.
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Personally, even if we didn't have the leaks, the expression obviously conveys less 'Sadistic glee of witnessing carnage' and more of 'Immensely uncomfortable but really wants to keep up appearances.', but we do have the leaks and it seems to be Sera, who both seems somewhat reasonable and isn't listed as a villain like Adam, Lute, and the Vs are.
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Maybe Heaven isn't as flat evil as the trailer made it out to be, but I'm still damn sure Viv won't commit to Heaven nevertheless be objectively better than Hell despite it being flawed, especially with her liking that 'Sinners and Angels are the same' tweet.
So would you say that's a Serra angel?

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Another very likely thing is that Vivzie might be going for a more Gnostic view of theology: God (and by extension, Heaven) isn't evil, but Heaven has been ruled by whoever usurped Him, the Demiurge.

Gnostism is basically a very awkward way to explain why God was supposedly a hardass during the Old Testament, but hippie-like during the New Testament. A very shoddy way to answer the problem of evil.

Such a belief system doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and it only seems plausible to Reddit atheist types who never actually read the scriptures they love to criticize so much. Or to liberal, surface level "Christians" who mistakenly believe that the entire OT is obsolete.

In some ways, I actually consider Gnostism to be even more insidious than even atheism, antitheism, or misotheism. It's certainly more palatable than outright hatred of religion, but it's a batshit theological conspiracy theory, and some aspects of it have wormed its way into many parts of modern culture, even secular ideologies. But I digress.
 
1-That would be resurrection with extra steps and as we know, only Jesus is allowed to do that. (maybe vivzie doesnt know)

2-So what happens if you die again at earth, do you get sent to hell again?

That being said, it sure is weird how helluva boss is so disconnected it raises the valid question of what's really stopping someone from sending sinners back to earth? Maybe your random sinner could never but someone like Alastor should have enough power/influence to be able to return to earth.

The world building is so bad that pretty much every plot hole so far hinges on "does god and lucifer allow this or not?" and until we see one of them onscreen we are all guessing.

I'm also curious to see if vivzie remembers that only the reason angels do yearly wipeouts is because hell is overpopulated and this would have to be allowed by lucifer as means to "cull the herd".

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So even if we assume the best case scenario where Charlie wages war on hell and wins and no one dies... that would completely ignore the root issue that lead to this conflict in the first place...
It's kind of like Viv has an issue with putting the blame on higher-ranking characters that you're supposed to like. Stolas loving and caring for Blitzø even though he is an imp, but also treats other imps as lesser beings than him? Just forget about that. Asmodeues stressing the importance of consent but still allows his succubusses and incubusses to basically brainwash people into having sex with them? Just forget about that. Beezlebub having empathy for others but also apparently running a shitty hellhound pound that she signs adoption papers for? Just forget about that. Lucifer being a goofy and well-meaning leader but allows Heaven's exterminators to come down and wipe out his supposed 'people' once a year? Just forget about it. All of them are good people and just ignore the responsibilities they have that makes them more liable, because they are 'nice'.
I mean Stolas' VA, who is arguably the best singer in HB, is from theater. The same goes for Blitzo who is supposedly the main character. It only makes sense to keep getting theater actors if they are the fan faves. Same goes for Ozzy as well.

There's nothing wrong with recruiting someone from the major leagues into the minors if they really want to play. Amy Lee was a professional opera singer and essentially wiped out every other female vocalist in the alternative scene(With the exception of paramore,and Imogen Heap) by just going down a rung from opera to front runner for a band.
Brandon Rogers (Blitzø) isn't in theater and while he hasn't done voice acting since Helluva Boss, but he has a knack for it, probably due to the many voices he does for characters in his skits. James Monroe Iglehart (Asmodeus) is from theater but has also done many voice acting roles for TV and film, so he has had experience. Bryce Pinkham (Stolas) has mainly does theater, and while he has been in some films and TV shows, all these were live action. Helluva Boss is his first voice acting gig. And while I'm sure he's a good theater actor, and yes, hie singing voice is very good in the show, his voice acting isn't up to par with the previous two that I mentioned. Especially compared to Stolas' voice actor on the pilot. Just because you're a good actor on stage doesn't mean you'll be a good voice actor. Both require different skills and talents.
That's, uh, kinda not very good. If it's supposed to sound like that in that show, cool, but if this is him trying his hardest to show tune then I can see them turning him down on this basis.
I believe that it sounds like that because he is doing a cover as the character themselves. He has sung as Angel Dust before with the music video, Addict, (though that was auto-tuned for effect I believe). He has sung for a game called "Billie Bust Up", and while I can't remember what the name of the character he played as was, I do remember when I heard the song I thought it was pretty good.
 
like she supposedly did with Lilith if those leaks are real.
I really doubt Lilith is evil, especially a one-dimensional psycho like Stella, considering just how often she's reinterpreted in a positive light in other media but more importantly with just how much of a raging asshole Adam is.
My guess is that they're going to try for nuance but still portray most of Heaven as the bad guys.
That seems fair, I see Sera and her sister Emily as being the token heroic angels, but every other angel character is a dick. Won't be shocked to I see them saying "Fuck Heaven! Hell is better!" and becoming fallen angels like Vaggie.

There is however the matter of Saint Peter, who was given a VA when Lucifer's was announced but his sheet was unfortunately not included in the audition leaks so we don't know anything about him. I think his portrayal will be what makes Heaven either 'Heavy flawed, but still good' or 'Mostly filled with assholes with one or two good people', although I'm fully expecting Peter to be an obnoxious douchebag who's just as contemptable as Adam.
 
I really doubt Lilith is evil, especially a one-dimensional psycho like Stella, considering just how often she's reinterpreted in a positive light in other media but more importantly with just how much of a raging asshole Adam is.
Which is why I said 'supposedly' and if those leaks are real. I don't necessarily believe them, but the "leaker" literally referred to her as a carbon copy of Stella. It really wouldn't make sense for her character to get completely redone like this given she and Lucifer were supposed to be a loving couple before.
 
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There is however the matter of Saint Peter, who was given a VA when Lucifer's was announced but his sheet was unfortunately not included in the audition leaks so we don't know anything about him. I think his portrayal will be what makes Heaven either 'Heavy flawed, but still good' or 'Mostly filled with assholes with one or two good people', although I'm fully expecting Peter to be an obnoxious douchebag who's just as contemptable as Adam.
As much as I'm willing to give this series slack on the lore, having Saint. Peter as a villain in opposition to the hotel is pants on head retarded. Saint Peter was a man who was born and lived in sin and was eventually redeemed. Becoming one of the closest to God in heaven. If there is one person to know forgiveness and redemption and to be aligned with the vision of the hotel it would be Saint Peter.
 
As much as I'm willing to give this series slack on the lore, having Saint. Peter as a villain in opposition to the hotel is pants on head retarded. Saint Peter was a man who was born and lived in sin and was eventually redeemed. Becoming one of the closest to God in heaven. If there is one person to know forgiveness and redemption and to be aligned with the vision of the hotel it would be Saint Peter.
That requires Viv to care about theology and not just surface level skimming of wikipedia while reading fujo fanfics.
 
Which is why I said 'supposedly' and if those leaks are real. I don't necessarily believe them, but the "leaker" literally referred to her as a carbon copy of Stella.
That would only make sense if Vivz turns Lucifer into a carbon copy of Stolas complete with gay relationship with imp. That would be retarded but not terribly surprising at this point.
 
So, people are currently arguing if this angel chick in the trailer is supposed to be a villain or not.
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Personally, even if we didn't have the leaks, the expression obviously conveys less 'Sadistic glee of witnessing carnage' and more of 'Immensely uncomfortable but really wants to keep up appearances.', but we do have the leaks and it seems to be Sera, who both seems somewhat reasonable and isn't listed as a villain like Adam, Lute, and the Vs are.
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Maybe Heaven isn't as flat evil as the trailer made it out to be, but I'm still damn sure Viv won't commit to Heaven nevertheless be objectively better than Hell despite it being flawed, especially with her liking that 'Sinners and Angels are the same' tweet.
I'm guessing Sera will seem reasonable at first but then later revealed to be maniacal. I believe it's intentional that the trailer matches her clip there alongside Adam's with the song lyrics "against the angels and their deadly threat".

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I'm guessing Sera will seem reasonable at first but then later revealed to be maniacal. I believe it's intentional that the trailer matches her clip there alongside Adam's with the song lyrics "against the angels and their deadly threat".

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Maybe, the main hang up is that every villain has (Villain) to their name and Sera lacks that, as does her sister Emily.
Admittedly, the audition sheet doesn't spoil or hint at stuff like Vaggie being a fallen angel, so perhaps it was formatted to keep twists from leaking in the case of a potential leak. Although on that note I'm wondering if Viv can find it in herself to even attempt to write a twist villain, she's bad enough at writing regular villains, especially since every single one of them are all just evil with flat motivations (That in and of itself isn't a criticism, since plenty of iconic villains fall under that tent, but those ones are usually charismatic or feel imposing instead of being an incompetent joke like Viv villains), so she'll suck at writing one that can hide that fact for their own benefit without it coming out of left field.
 
(That in and of itself isn't a criticism, since plenty of iconic villains fall under that tent, but those ones are usually charismatic or feel imposing instead of being an incompetent joke like Viv villains), so she'll suck at writing one that can hide that fact for their own benefit without it coming out of left field.
Striker was actually pretty good before his heel-faggot turn, but I wonder how much of that was Vivz and how much was just having an actual professional like Reedus playing him.

(Or even possibly that just having Reedus forced her to up her game because you couldn't portray anyone portrayed by him as the pathetic bop clown he was the moment Reedus wasn't playing him.)
 
if this is him trying his hardest to show tune then I can see them turning him down on this basis.
He was a great VA though and I wish HH didn't seem to have so much musical shit in it.
Bryce Pinkham (Stolas) has mainly does theater, and while he has been in some films and TV shows, all these were live action. Helluva Boss is his first voice acting gig. And while I'm sure he's a good theater actor, and yes, hie singing voice is very good in the show, his voice acting isn't up to par with the previous two that I mentioned. Especially compared to Stolas' voice actor on the pilot. Just because you're a good actor on stage doesn't mean you'll be a good voice actor. Both require different skills and talents.
I liked the pilot voice actor a lot more.
There is however the matter of Saint Peter, who was given a VA when Lucifer's was announced but his sheet was unfortunately not included in the audition leaks so we don't know anything about him. I think his portrayal will be what makes Heaven either 'Heavy flawed, but still good' or 'Mostly filled with assholes with one or two good people', although I'm fully expecting Peter to be an obnoxious douchebag who's just as contemptable as Adam.
WKUK's depiction is still probably going to be better:
 
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Maybe, the main hang up is that every villain has (Villain) to their name and Sera lacks that, as does her sister Emily.
Admittedly, the audition sheet doesn't spoil or hint at stuff like Vaggie being a fallen angel, so perhaps it was formatted to keep twists from leaking in the case of a potential leak. Although on that note I'm wondering if Viv can find it in herself to even attempt to write a twist villain, she's bad enough at writing regular villains, especially since every single one of them are all just evil with flat motivations (That in and of itself isn't a criticism, since plenty of iconic villains fall under that tent, but those ones are usually charismatic or feel imposing instead of being an incompetent joke like Viv villains), so she'll suck at writing one that can hide that fact for their own benefit without it coming out of left field.
Honestly the villains in Helluva Boss were pretty decent or passable until season 2, They weren't masterclass villains but pretty much did their job as comedic villains in a comedic series. Striker was the exception though as @AnOminous puts it, maybe it has a lot to do with Norman Reedus having the role, and perhaps given how petty Viv is, she made him into a joke character due to not getting Norman again.
 
Since she's taking the fuck heaven route I predict they're either going to abandon redemption and stay in hell as mentioned in the thread or we might get an equally stupid "Charlie breaks the veil between Heaven and Hell and now peeps can move freely between cuz fuck you're kool kid's klub let my people goo!"

Bonus points if it's just the angels who were the bad guys authorizing the exterminations while the big guy upstairs & normal heaven denizens are actually cool with this.
 
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