Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Guysho]

his accent sounds more like a Caucasian or Italian New Yorker than anything else

To be fair, it wasn't uncommon back in those days to put on such an accent in any form of media involving audio.
The technology was primitive and you had to speak a certain way to be understandable. If Alastor could do it and was white-passing, he'd easily find himself work in that field.

 

[Roger Dennis]

Wait, Alastor was a cannibal? I knew he was a serial killer, but I had no idea he was a fucking cannibal.

But yeah, Alastor always bothered me for some reason, and now I know why. Gary Stu; Lucifer should’ve wiped that eternal smile off his face. (I genuinely hope there’s a moment when he frowns, just so he knows he fucked up.)

 

[Shidoen]

You can say what you want about either show, but it's making Vivzie a shitton of money.

Easy to save money when you barley pay your workers.

 

[Seventh Star]

Lucifer shouldn't have appeared at all this season, or ever, have him be a more distant character. Alastor should be an independent actor in the story. Husk should be voiced by Mick again (the switch is the most jarring in the series and I don't like the new VA). Revert all the redesigns. Send Vivzie to the mega gay zone.

Looking back at how I imagined the story and the plot, the most I thought would go wrong was Angel trooning out. I didn't expect it to be a rushed, shitty homo drama that had no pacing, bad VA's, and bad characterization.

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

I didn't expect it to be a rushed, shitty homo drama that had no pacing, bad VA's, and bad characterization.

You don't know Vivzie at all, then.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

This is almost certainly a niche reference, but I heard someone on Twitter call Viv a white woman echo fighter version of Funamusea (The chick who made Mogeko Castle, Wadanohara, and Gray Garden),

The same Funameusea people claimed Pyohato traced art of?

 

[The Marlboro Man]

I haven't watched the show proper yet (waiting for all the episodes to come out for a drunk hatewatch with friends), but if Adam actually does die I'll miss him on account of him having the only musical parts that I enjoyed.

 

[Shamino]

I dont recall Alastor's mortal life backstory being told in the show

 

[Alter Ego]

To be fair, not to be one of those "Um Media Literacy" people, but the uprising is likely a lie Adam made to jew the higher angels to greenlight his execution plan to get back at his ex (I still believe this since he still references Lilith as of the recent episode, the opening prologue that showed her rejecting him, and Vivzie's love of soap opera stories).

It does however still paint Heaven as stupid for going off Adam's word alone presumably and not checking in for themselves despite having the means too.

Yeah, as much as I want to like her, the impression I get of Sera is that though she looks like she's supposed to be one of the smartest people around, she sure seems really dumb, among other reasons, for apparently taking Adam at his word regarding the threat Hell poses. This assuming that her villainy is meant to be taken as well-intentioned rather than scornful as with Lute. There's also the related point that Sera was solely concerned over Adam blabbing about the secret exterminations when Charlie could've very easily brought it up in her argument as common knowledge from Hell.

There's more that I'd like to gripe about along this line, but I'm finding that I have to make a mental separation between the Heaven/Hell dynamic I would've like (Heaven good, Hell bad) and what we're apparently getting (going to Heaven or Hell might just be a coin flip) to be sure that my complaints about character behavior is legit. I might just wait a week first to see all that's left for the season to reveal about Heaven, Hell, and the exterminations before explaining further.

Sera and Emily do have very nice appearances, though, and it's neat how the "biblically-accurate" meme uniquely lends to their expressiveness. On the other hand, Saint Peter looks like shit, as generic as generic can be, but that might be all we'll see of him.

 

[Cave Fisher]

The same Funameusea people claimed Pyohato traced art of?

I don't have a clue who that is, but from a quick google search, their artstyle does look kinda similar, I guess.

 

[RedGermaine]

I dont recall Alastor's mortal life backstory being told in the show

It wasn't, you're supposed to watch all the Vizie streams where she draws shit and drops lore, and follow the in character instagram accounts and read the wiki to find out the information and where it came from. Because Vizie will drop shit like "Heck is where all canadian sinners go and it's a few cities over on the pride ring" and then make that canon

 

[Cave Fisher]

My biggest problem with Alastor is that it doesn't feel like they know what he's trying to be.
He's been around since the Zoophobia days, but he feels like he was written yesterday. So, he's some Creole (Which already soudns like a lie because there's no way this ashy twink wasn't a white boy in his life) serial killer who was a cannibal, who was also a radio host, who was ALSO some sorta vodoo pracititonor, either that or Viv just yoinked some cool looking Voodoo symbols without understanding at all what they entailed like how she yoinked the biblical and demon names and shit. In spite of this, all someone who never watched HH could really get from his design would be "fancy deer dude with a radio staff"

Is he supposed to be some wacky goofball, or some dangerous sociopath we're supposed to be wary of? In the pilot of questionable canocity that's still necessary just to know what's going on, he makes it very clear that he's A, not really to be fucked with, and B, he's just here because he belives watching the hotel fail would be funny. (and maybe it WOULD be if we ever got to see them actually fucking try redeeming people in it)

But in the series proper, he and Vaggie are the only ones who actually seem like they understand how running a hotel works and want to put effort into it, and frankly, he seems pretty chill considering his only onscreen "kills" are in self defense, he's just fine letting Sir Pentious' egg minions follow him around after their boss tried to attack him on at least 2 separate occasions, Husk gets let off with a warning for genuinely pissing him off, and the only person he directly curses out is the devil.

For all the talk about how dangerous he is, and how Vox wanted him on his team, and how he rip and teared through hell that one time, and how he made an overlord like Husk into his glorified pet cat, nobody in a room filled with overlords really gives a shit about him popping up after seven whole years.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

It wasn't, you're supposed to watch all the Vizie streams where she draws shit and drops lore, and follow the in character instagram accounts and read the wiki to find out the information and where it came from. Because Vizie will drop shit like "Heck is where all canadian sinners go and it's a few cities over on the pride ring" and then make that canon

Now you know what I was referring to when I mentioned how Hazbin has too much essential supplementary material.
Honestly, the show (had it stuck to its original premise) feels like the kind of show that would work off a simple formula across a 20-30 episode season, rather than having to abandon it and cram everything into an 8-episode season.

1) A new character shows up to the hotel
2) Charlie and the others learn more about him/her
3) Some sort of conflict arises that leads to the character of the episode having to confront their sins in their mortal lives
4) Episode ends with the character being redeemed and let into heaven
5) On special occasions, a lore-important character like Lucifer, Rozie, or Lilith shows up, and those would be the episodes that advance the show's greater narrative
6) End the season with some big revelation that actually feels earned and had more build-up to it.

As a huge fan of GF and RS, this "formula" would be more in line with both the pilot's premise as well as what would make sense for a show of this nature. Not to mention the pilot, supplementary materials, and the show itself introduces a million characters at once, so it honestly feels like it would've been better to go through each of them on an episode-by-episode basis. It ain't rocket science, people.

 

[Colon capital V]

The most FIRE (heh) way they could salvage this absolute clusterfuck of worldbuilding is that it's revealed Heaven and Hell are nothing but little pawns for Jewish gods to laugh at. It would explain why everything doesn't make sense, it's DA JOOOOOOOZ setting up arenas to have the "damned" and "blessed" souls pitted against each other for their own amusement. Because in the end, the nose knows .

 

[Varretnon847]

Now you know what I was referring to when I mentioned how Hazbin has too much essential supplementary material.
Honestly, the show (had it stuck to its original premise) feels like the kind of show that would work off a simple formula across a 20-30 episode season, rather than having to abandon it and cram everything into an 8-episode season.

1) A new character shows up to the hotel
2) Charlie and the others learn more about him/her
3) Some sort of conflict arises that leads to the character of the episode having to confront their sins in their mortal lives
4) Episode ends with the character being redeemed and let into heaven
5) On special occasions, a lore-important character like Lucifer, Rozie, or Lilith shows up, and those would be the episodes that advance the show's greater narrative
6) End the season with some big revelation that actually feels earned and had more build-up to it.

As a huge fan of GF and RS, this "formula" would be more in line with both the pilot's premise as well as what would make sense for a show of this nature. Not to mention the pilot, supplementary materials, and the show itself introduces a million characters at once, so it honestly feels like it would've been better to go through each of them on an episode-by-episode basis. It ain't rocket science, people.

This idea doesn't seem too bad, you could probably even rotate the types of episodes out, with a majority of the episodes focusing on sticking to the shows premise, while others focusing on other conflicts that push the shows plot further. Though I do think having 20-30 episodes per season might be pushing it.
It kinda reminds me of what Helluva Boss was supposed to do, before they fucked that up.

After watching Episodes 3 through 6, it does feel like Vivzie is trying to speedrun this whole show. A lot of what was shown in Episode 6 should've been revealed in much later episodes, probably even Season 2.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

After watching Episodes 3 through 6, it does feel like Vivzie is trying to speedrun this whole show.

Is it wrong that I consider that a good thing, considering how Vivzie has fucked up her other content and allowed them to become a drag?

It's almost as if she's aware that Hazbin Hotel WILL end up like Steven Universe: successful in its time, but hardly anyone remembers it fondly in the decades that follow. A show produced by shit people, for a horrible fandom.

So she might as well wrap the story up as quickly as possible.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Apparently based on what could be gathered, Vivzie only had 8 episodes and likely didn't get season 2 until late in development.

 

[Alter Ego]

Now you know what I was referring to when I mentioned how Hazbin has too much essential supplementary material.
Honestly, the show (had it stuck to its original premise) feels like the kind of show that would work off a simple formula across a 20-30 episode season, rather than having to abandon it and cram everything into an 8-episode season.

1) A new character shows up to the hotel
2) Charlie and the others learn more about him/her
3) Some sort of conflict arises that leads to the character of the episode having to confront their sins in their mortal lives
4) Episode ends with the character being redeemed and let into heaven
5) On special occasions, a lore-important character like Lucifer, Rozie, or Lilith shows up, and those would be the episodes that advance the show's greater narrative
6) End the season with some big revelation that actually feels earned and had more build-up to it.

As a huge fan of GF and RS, this "formula" would be more in line with both the pilot's premise as well as what would make sense for a show of this nature. Not to mention the pilot, supplementary materials, and the show itself introduces a million characters at once, so it honestly feels like it would've been better to go through each of them on an episode-by-episode basis. It ain't rocket science, people.

A big problem with the redemption-of-the-week episodic format coming off of the pilot is that a successful hotel would do away with most of the main cast. Angel Dust is only there as a patient to be helped and then sent off for Heaven. Alastor is only there as defeatism incarnate over the hotel working at all, and he has Niffty and Husk in tow.

It has rather always been apparent to me that the original premise presented by the pilot, the whole story from beginning end, is Charlie's journey to find out what redemption means and how it can be obtained by the damned, all while dealing with personal problems of the main cast and fighting off antagonists like the Vees who oppose the hotel for whatever reason. The story is effectively over as soon as it is proven that the hotel works. We could've gotten this in the show we have now if it weren't for the 5-month timeskip.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

fighting off antagonists like the Vees who oppose the hotel for whatever reason

I feel like the Vees can work probably best if the Hotel does work. Since if the hotel can send sinners to Heaven, it would fuck up how Overlords gain power from conning sinners. So that's probably the generous way to make that plot work.

 

[Prince Vegeta]

I don't mind Alastor. Episode 5 showed he's on a leash and probablyhas orders to keep the hotel going, which explains why he's so subdued, which characters have commented on before. His cannibalism (and just overall dead creature consumption) was obvious to me from his wendigo appearance. There's also the hooves print under his feet and him eating dead deer. It just added up for me.

Episode 5 also shows Lucifer doesn't like sinners and keeps no tabs on anything. There's a 5 month gap where apparently nothing happened.

Episode 6 shows that heaven doesn't know how souls get in, and don't care much, assuming the system works. Except Emmy. The extermination was a secret, Vaggie is an angel, and in the 5 unseen months Angel has been rehabilitating. A lot happens, but nothing is resolved much. 1 month until extermination.

Sir Pentious is still my favorite, but these 6 episodes should have been at least 12.