Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Seafarer]

Is Satan autistic?

In the medical sense, no.

In the derogatory sense, yes. Obviously.

The Satan in Paradise Lost kinda reminds me of Elliot Rodger, to the point where I headcanoned Rodger’s voice as Satan’s when I read that book. I only bring this up because Elliot was a MASSIVE sperg:

I think it’s brought up in the video, but iirc one of Rodger’s final videos had an outtake where as he’s talking about how much he hates everyone and how he’s totally gonna kill them all on the “Day of Retribution” he just starts crying, and it reminds me of that one famous painting of Satan:


In other words, I think the Devil being spergy could work. It’s just that Viv also wants him to be an UwU sad boi when he should really be treated as a narcissistic loser.

 

[Awful Wireless Connection]

I've been thinking about that scene where Pentious immediately gets vaporized and it got me thinking about a better setup for his death. Instead of having Adam immediately turn around and delete the airship, Pentious could've let his laser loose on Adam, only for Adam to reveal that the laser actually amplified his powers due to it essentially being a cannon of light. It would've made Pentious' sacrifice a lot more meaningful if he actually got the attempt off, unintentionally making things a lot harder for his peers because he was so focused on taking one for the team.

Also, if Sir Pentious doesn't rename himself "Repentious" when he's getting acquainted with Heaven folk in S2, I'm going to assume all the writers have quit.

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

In other words, I think the Devil being spergy could work. It’s just that Viv also wants him to be an UwU sad boi when he should really be treated as a narcissistic loser.

Viv just copied South Park

 

[doodoocaca]

@doodoocaca I agree with the whole “Charlie isn’t sexual” thing. She kissed Vaggie and is shown to have slept in the same bed as her, but no sexual activity is actually implied (apart from Adam making a lesbian joke).

I’m 99% certain that Charlie is still a virgin, hasn’t “scissored” Vaggie or whatever it is lesbians do (when they aren’t 55%ing each other, of course), and overall, despite her having had a boyfriend in the past, probably doesn’t even know how relationships work.

I read somewhere that a lot of bisexuals and homosexuals cling to the same sex or both sexes because of a lack of a parental figure. Considering Charlie’s status with her parents, it’d make sense why she’d go for both sexes — she craves that masculinity and femininity.

Of course, this is just me overanalyzing a fucking cartoon, and Viv obviously isn’t smart enough for such writing.

The fact that Vivz unintentionally showed a somewhat realistic portrayal of a sexless cope relationship almost makes up for how disappointing everything else is, fucking lol. A slow burn consolation laugh on the inside isn't quite as good as an out loud comedy laugh, but I'll take it.

Even if you go with "Charlie is THAT fucking childish, lol, lmao even, this is my sense of humor, I'm vivz, *holds up spork*" you can still have her grow the fuck up and develop given she's the main character.

Alright, fuck it: has any show, animated or filmed, or even any work of media be it a comic or pure literature, ever shown a loving, healthy gay or lesbian relationship? Ever?!

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Alright, fuck it: has any show, animated or filmed, or even any work of media be it a comic or pure literature, ever shown a loving, healthy gay or lesbian relationship? Ever?!

Steven Universe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Viv just copied South Park

Lucifer in Hazbin honestly resembles a mix between the Genie from Aladdin and the Tumblr Sexyman Onceler.

If any Vivziepop character is a ripoff of South Park Satan, Stolas probably fits given how pathetic he is and the soap opera love life, except played completely straight whereas South Park made a joke of Satan being a loser

 

[Whiskey]

Literally "his dark materials", but with show tunes and curse words. Still utterly dissapointed. Even if the "other mother" images of the angels are apparently just masks they wear by killing things. The strong implication is that the masks are actually their real faces.

What's more obnoxious is that there is STILL no moral delineation between "heaven" and "hell". Apparently both are perfectly capable of exercising moral judgements, and both are perfectly capable of doing immoral actions for the sake of personal or societal expediency.

Again what is the POINT. What is the CONFLICT. At best, all I can see is that the entire point is for Charlie to convince Heaven they are just as bad as Hell, and to convince Hell they are just as good as heaven. Which is...stupid. It goes right back to fedora tipping "nothing really matters maaaaaan". "Everyone is equally good and bad maaaaan"

I swear, if I can be given the power to kill one man in the past in the cradle, I would go for Phillip Pullman. Him and that equally smooth brained William Sumner are responsible for so much bullshit. If nothing matters, then nothing matters! And I know Vivzie actually doesn't believe this at a fundamental level, since she gives the accusatory angel an entire solo sequence during the court of heaven before promptly shitting on her. Its like she wants to believe there is a fundamental morality, and then goes "nahh, patriarchy, violence, oppression, yada yada, fuck you bitch, ass hole fuck, did I say fuck?"

I was disappointed in this show. Slowly, I came to hate it.

Feels like the series will end with the first ring of hell and maybe the first ring of heaven becoming purgatory.

I get the point of it the story. It's to show that redemption and damnation are possible after death. I don't think they are pulling it off exceedingly well but that is the point to the series.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

So I was thinking on how you could make Vaggie's fall to Hell better and more important to the plot. I'm going to spoil it, in case you don't care to read:

Spoiler: Vaggie's Backstory

Vaggie has been taught all her existence that Sinners are terrible people that deserve to be exterminated. And for the most part, it's true. That is, until this particular extermination. Vaggie is about to kill a sinner, but then the sinner's child runs up, not wanting to lose their parent. (I'm still a bit confused on how there is a child. If it's because they were born or sent there, but whatever.) The parent tries to get their child to leave the area, but the child refuses, clinging onto their parent. The parent then begs for Vaggie to not kill their child. They say they're willing to give themself up, as long as their child is spare.

Vaggie is taken aback by all this. All this time, she's thought that Sinners were these vile creatures that don't deserve any mercy. But right before her, she sees a case of humanity. Another exterminator comes over, wondering what the issue is. Vaggie tries to explain, but the exterminator believes that the Sinner is trying to deceive Vaggie. There's this back and forth on whether or not these Sinners should be spared, before the other exterminator says that she'll just do the job herself. Vaggie stops the exterminator, telling the parent and child to escape.

The exterminator and Vaggie start fighting; the exterminator trying to do their job, and Vaggie trying to give the two Sinners time to escape. Neither one is trying to brutally hurt the other, but when it seems that the exterminator is about to win and find the two Sinners that left, Vaggie does the fatal blow to her. Time seems to stop, as both are shocked at what happened. As the exterminator falls over dead, Vaggie backs away, terrified. She hadn't meant to have killed one of her own. She falls to her knees, feeling this immense pain of guilt. But that's not the only pain she is feeling. Her wings are disintegrating, and her halo crumbles, falling to the floor. She is suffering both mentally and physically, as she is becoming a fallen angel.

Is this perfect? No. But I do think this a much more emotional backstory and gives Vaggie character depth that she needs. It's give Vaggie more significance to the plot, as she is the one that killed an angel. Plus it makes more sense on why she would then be helping Charlie's redemption project, because if it does succeed, then that means she has a chance to get back into Heaven.

I think I'll do some more rewrites later on for each episode, as it is kind of fun to see what could be fix and make a more engaging story.

 

[Niggerphobe]

https://youtu.be/dcq-KFrL7uo?si=FhgS9QIQbMqAxDYE

 

[The Nothingness]

• Infernal society. It's a little unclear what exactly the delineation between sinner demons and proper demon demons is. Maybe have a class division where the demons treat the sinners like lower class peons. Successful sinners like Alastor are considered Nouveau Riche by the snooty demonic upper crust. This leads somewhat into my next point:
• The exterminations make no goddamn sense. Hell is supposed to be eternal torment, so permanently deleting souls from a place of permanent residence is a goofy idea. Plus it makes even less sense for angels to be busying themselves with punishing sinners when that's the demons' job. Instead have some kind of Wild Hunt/Purge/Battle Royale/Saturnalia once a year where demons go out to kill sinners indiscriminately. Sinners only die temporarily, so this typically ends with lesser sinners losing all of their accumulated territory/wealth and resets the board for next year like some kind of shitty pvp game.

Having HH and HB take place in the same world but not acknowledge events that happened seems to be a detriment of both shows. Is Asmodeus confined to the Lust Ring and cannot rein in Valentino's business? Suppose an I.M.P. client has a change of heart, goes to the hotel for redemption, and Charlie has to go to Earth to stop Blitzo, Moxie, and Millie from carrying out the hit. Would they listen to her because of her status or also show no respect like all the sinner demons do? More thought-provoking ideas wasted because the creator would rather have musical numbers and homo shit.

 

[doodoocaca]

Pilot!Charlie having an escalating argument that goes into 4 letter words and finally fireballs and ball lightning with Blitzo, written by drunk Brandon Rogers and a good ghost writer (emphatically banning Vivz from the writing room) would be one of the funniest fucking things I could dream of. Having Charlie accidentally kill the person with the hit on them and the argument promptly go through a portal into hell, continuing over the now dead sinner, and on into the foyer of the hotel could make for a helluva (heh) episode.

Because it has to be super gay™ the B plot could be Stolas going to get some strange at the hotel while Angeldust rolls his eyes and finds himself wondering where Blitzo is, having experience with both, only to bust out laughing when Charlie literally rolls in grappling with the imp while trying to out-argue him and instead setting nearby things on fire.

Since you have to have A Song In Every Episode, Charlie and Blitzo having a sparring match about how she doesn't know shit since she's spoiled and Blitzo is an imp, while Charlie fires back that she puts on the act for a reason, because she doesn't want to rule by fear, and reminds Blitzo that if she was so bad he'd be burned out of existence with a thought immediately comes to mind. Once over, he then calls her a pillow queen or a cunt or bi for cred and she calls him a rough trick circus act, and the two literally lock horns while the Foley guy dubs in moose noises.

Indeed, you can stick to the premise and even the tone, but make it at least amusing, if not funny and thoughtful, and worthy of the setting and the promise the pilot set up. Alas, this is how we know it will never happen.

As a side note, I look forward to AI shit getting good enough KF could actually shit out better HH/HB episodes out of spite.

 

[Cave Fisher]

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I know it's dumb to get genuinely annoyed with a show I damn near halfway forgot after it finally released and finished, but why in the fuck would an angel be born with a HUMAN mental illness? These fans need to stick to fetishizing goofy-looking demons instead of real mental illnesses like every other wannabe "quirky" fucking teenager on Twitter.

 

[Betonhaus]

made a ringtone using the xylophone remixes on tiktok

 

[Whiskey]

So I was thinking on how you could make Vaggie's fall to Hell better and more important to the plot.

Veggie isn't fallen only Lucifer is. Heaven has to cast her out and Adam doesn't have the authority to do so as a mortal soul.

It's a self imposed exile.

 

[Colon capital V]

All these assholes creaming themselves over being autistic should be called out more for what it is. A bunch of retards fetishizing mental illness.

This is the real issues that niggers should get up in arms about instead of whether a "adult" cartoon show is fetishizing sexual assault, although knowing Shitter they'd find a way to make that incredibly faggy too.

 

[MalinformedSocialDetails]

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I wish we could transplant this song to a better show.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

Veggie isn't fallen only Lucifer is. Heaven has to cast her out and Adam doesn't have the authority to do so as a mortal soul.

It's a self imposed exile.

It's not self impose if she was expelled with her wings ripped off
"Adam doesn't have the authority" where was that established? When he revealed about the exterminations, none of it was about him not having the authority to expel Vaggie.

 

[Boson]

I think he does have the power to expel people - piggybacking off what subarashii said - he took Vaggie’s halo after Lute ripped her wings off.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Veggie isn't fallen only Lucifer is. Heaven has to cast her out and Adam doesn't have the authority to do so as a mortal soul.

It's a self imposed exile.

For this dumb rewrite, she would be a fallen angel. Her killing another angel is the cause for this. I don't care how the show goes because it does a stupid by having Vaggie magically grow her wings back through the power of "love".

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

This series has been around for almost a month and has not spawned a single meme. Think about that for a second.