Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Colonel Gaddafi]

So wait, if Alastor is at least white-passing (by 30s standards) (and most fans imagine him as just some white dude), and Husk is probably black (at least, most fans ive seen assume he is), and Alastor has Husk as a slave...

Another unfathomably based move by Vivziepop.
The funniest and most notable parts of this show are definitely her dumbass actions and the messed up adult fans (verbalase)

The funny thing is that Husk is meant to be Russian, yet due to her choice in VAs most people assume he’s black. We’re at a point where most of the fandom ignores Viv and comes up with their own headcanons anyway.

If I knew nothing of Viv’s gay Twitter/livestream lore I would read the scene where Alastor has a chain around Husk’s neck, claiming to ‘own’ him, in a very different light, knowing what little backstory Alastor has in the pilot (Southern, Anglo-looking). So much of it is so hilariously bad that Viv doesn’t have much of a choice but to constantly change the characters when someone points out her shenanigans.

What’s surprising to me is that no one a A24 notices these things.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

If I knew nothing of Viv’s gay Twitter/livestream lore I would read the scene where Alastor has a chain around Husk’s neck, claiming to ‘own’ him, in a very different light, knowing what little backstory Alastor has in the pilot (Southern, Anglo-looking).

I'm confused, what other explenation is there?

 

[The Nothingness]

The funny thing is that Husk is meant to be Russian, yet due to her choice in VAs most people assume he’s black. We’re at a point where most of the fandom ignores Viv and comes up with their own headcanons anyway.

How long until she reveals what the sinners looked like as human if fans keep speculating that Husk is black?

 

[Ensok]

After being incredibly late and watching a little more of the actual show I have mixed to negative feelings on it. I don't like the tone, I don't like the immaturity, I don't like Alastor swearing, I don't like Lucifer's voice or personality, I don't like how it's not remotely the show the pilot promised. At this point in entertainment it would've been far more interesting if the initial premise was played straight and heaven really was just plain good. I still like Charlie and how Lucifer actually likes her, that's good. But most everything else in the show is so shallow and disappointing. It feels like a show afraid to be serious and reach its full potential. Its not just hell that's juvenile to contrast things either, look at Adam. Everything about the show is immature and juvenile and I can't stand it at this point. It's the problem we have with "Adult" cartoons in general.

But in the end most of my complaining is just "complaining about the show we didn't get" rather than the show itself, which I think is unfair to it and I don't really like to do unless it's a sequel or something that utterly failed to continue the story of the previous work. Which Hazbin Hotel isn't. The pilot is clearly not meant to be episode 1 and unfortunately I just have to accept that.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

I'm confused, what other explenation is there?

Alastor started out white as white bread, design wise anyway. His original VA stated that he was Cajun in a podcast, complete with an accent if he drops the radio effect. Sometime after the pilot Viv retconed him into being ‘mixed’, most likely due to criticism of her using voodoo symbols. When people said ‘mixed with what’ (again because nothing in his design is suggestive of African features) she said ‘Creole’, which means literally nothing because Creole is a culture and not a race. There are white Creoles, black ones, mixed ones…whatever. It was a vague work around without having to do a drastic character redesign most likely. Most of the fandom just draws Alastor as white because…most white passing people don’t have straight ass bob hair cuts, (and I speak from experience), so to the casual watcher who isn’t hip on the lore (which isn’t in the show BTW), they’re going to see a white guy.

Husk is canonically meant to be Russian, I believe Viv pointed that out in a livestream. For reasons unknown they decided to hire a black VA for Husk…who sounds very ‘black’. Husk’s design is also more open to interpretation since he’s a furry…with black fur, while Alastor is a grey skinned redhead.

So basically in Viv’s mind there’s a mixed race black guy pulling a White Russian by a chain, but the rest of the planet sees it exactly the opposite.

 

[poisonedapple]

Dunno if this says anything about its cultural reach, but I'm at the local mall (yes, those still exist, and it is busy), and I saw someone with an Angel Dust T-shirt (it was a white androgynous woman, OFC)

I saw a woman at a movie theater with an Alastor sweatshirt. She had that 'Tism anime con going look to her. I don't mean that as an issue l; it's just a distinctive look.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

You could probably do the same with the Holy Grail of adult animation that is South Park. The main issue is that HH/HB bases it's entire humor on just that, whereas South Park bases it's humor mainly on satirizing American society, and since all good humor has a victim, South Park wins, since Vivz is too safe edgy to ever offend anyone.

Hell, even Kapitan Bomba has had a lot of good satire on Polish society despite being full of excessive swears and sex jokes. And the amount of sex jokes in that is much greater than in HH and HB combined.
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Is Kaptain Bomba guy the guy who did the Bogdan the Exterminator show on netflix?

 

[Slav Power]

Is Kaptain Bomba guy the guy who did the Bogdan the Exterminator show on netflix?

Wait, that shit is actually translated to English on Netflix?

Yeah it's the same guy, Bartosz Walaszek.

Besides Kapitan Bomba and Bogdan Boner: Egzorcysta he made many more cartoons. Some of his oldest animation works include:
Generał Italia

Piesek Leszek

And animations like these led to some controversy, that they were deemed to vulgar to be broadcasted on TV. That's when Walaszek decided to make something so extreme that it wouldn't be able to broadcast on TV. But it was, and that was Kapitan Bomba. A cartoon so influential that quotes from the series have landed in contemporary Polish language.

There's also Blok Ekipa, a cartoon he created after he lost the rights to Kapitan Bomba, which is completely contemporary, is about three hoodlums from Warsaw and their escapades, and it often makes jokes and references about current Polish happenings.

Except animations are just one of his frontiers. He also made Z movies under the project ZF Skurcz, with one of his best works being Sarnie Żniwo. He worked with people like Kazik Staszewski from the band Kult, who is more commonly recognized by the general Polish public, that may not be aware that Kazik is a fan of this low budget absurdism that Walaszek is a master of. But that's for another story.

He would later create a live action comedy series by the name of Kaliber 200 Volt, where he would introduce two characters. Filip Fagot, played by himself, and Fabian Fagot, played by Piotr Połać, who composed a disco polo band by the name of Bracia Figo Fagot. Of course, it was all a parody of disco polo, as it's a very hated "music genre".

However these characters were so successful that Bartosz and Piotr ended up making the band a real thing, and the rest is history.

I could write up an entire essay on explaining how important this one man's artistry is to modern Polish culture, but at the same time his work is very specifically targeted to the Polish audience and you simply cannot translate it well, such as the episodes of Kapitan Bomba after Admiral's death and the subsequent elections, which were a satire of the current Polish political climate after the Polish government Tu-154M crash in Smoleńsk, Russia. Or general little tidbits like how C'qrwozaurs and Kujwdubie are representative of Germans and Germany, and and Kurvix with it's aliens are the representation of Poland. I'd have to explain entire paragraphs of context for so many little offshoot jokes in his works for them to at least make sense.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Dat facedox needs a magnifying glass

EDIT: fixed lmoa

 

[InJailOutSoon]

It's fairly well-known within fandom circles, but mostly for the wrong reasons. I honestly think it's missed its intended niche.

To me it seems like Viv was shooting for the cultural equivalent of, like, Homestuck or Warrior Cats -- that is, lore-heavy series obsessed over by weird artsy kids -- but, through misunderstanding what made them actually interesting, ended up with something primarily enjoyed by greasy man/womanchildren stuck in arrested development. All the people I've seen repping HH/HB in public have been in their twenties or thirties, whereas the younger creative types who would typically eat this stuff up and keep the fanbase alive don't seem all too interested. I'm yet to come across any cringe DeviantArt-tier Hazbin Hotel OCs or fan animations online, and that IMO seems like a fairly damning indicator of failure. It could've easily been the New Thing if it was written a little more competently.

As someone who goes to an art school, believe me, there's more people who shit on the show than praise it. Even a couple of professors I had have made a snide comment on it. So yeah, Viv missed the mark on her target audience completely.

I’ve seen a good amount of Hazbin fan art on Tumblr, some of it is genuinely good. Most is made by women their late 20/early 30s and there is a focus on storytelling rather than shipping, which is…unusual. Perhaps it’s because Viv left the fandom with so little in terms of characterization, who knows. Alastor is the fan favorite and there’s a little animosity towards artists who are drawing him white instead of black as tar with dreads, but the latter are actually in the minority.

But here are some of my favorites:

Spoiler: SHEEEITT

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Delta Chinese too? Also lol stemming, but I’ll let that slide since Alastor being a sperg makes a semblance of sense.
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Palate cleanser:
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If I were a fan artist I’d stay away from Hazbin as well. Not worth the drama considering that these sort of properties draw a specific demographic, and after the meltdowns SJWs had over Steven Universe and Owl House I wouldn’t touch this shit with a ten foot pole.

On one hand, I would say they should spend that time making their own thing. But on the other hand, I understand why they would use their talent on an existing ip. It's much harder to gather a fanbase for your original work alone.

Alastor started out white as white bread, design wise anyway. His original VA stated that he was Cajun in a podcast, complete with an accent if he drops the radio effect. Sometime after the pilot Viv retconed him into being ‘mixed’, most likely due to criticism of her using voodoo symbols. When people said ‘mixed with what’ (again because nothing in his design is suggestive of African features) she said ‘Creole’, which means literally nothing because Creole is a culture and not a race. There are white Creoles, black ones, mixed ones…whatever. It was a vague work around without having to do a drastic character redesign most likely. Most of the fandom just draws Alastor as white because…most white passing people don’t have straight ass bob hair cuts, (and I speak from experience), so to the casual watcher who isn’t hip on the lore (which isn’t in the show BTW), they’re going to see a white guy.

Husk is canonically meant to be Russian, I believe Viv pointed that out in a livestream. For reasons unknown they decided to hire a black VA for Husk…who sounds very ‘black’. Husk’s design is also more open to interpretation since he’s a furry…with black fur, while Alastor is a grey skinned redhead.

So basically in Viv’s mind there’s a mixed race black guy pulling a White Russian by a chain, but the rest of the planet sees it exactly the opposite.

Alastor being Cajun makes more sense than "mixed Creole". And if you wanted to keep the voodoo element, just say he learned from the people around him when he was alive. Or, just remove it completely because Alastor already has way too much shit already. Though, that's an issue with almost every character.

And with Husk, we have no idea what his heritage is because Viv just says whatever she likes at the time and constantly changes. He might be Russian according to Viv, but at the same time he grew up in Las Vegas also. Plus a lot of things the Fandom takes as canon, was from other people who used to work for Viv and her pilot. Husk being multilingual? That was when Mick Laur was voicing Husk, and he was fluent in Mandarin. Husk being good with children? Faustisse was the one to say that and she hasn't worked on this project since 2020. Husk being a war veteran? Well, that's something the Fandom came up with from an April Fool's trailer with Husk ad-libbing, and Viv had to clarify that this was not part of his canon backstory.

Anything that should be considered canon, should just come from the actual show itself. Even if Viv mentions some fun fact or whatever outside of the show now. Because majority of the time, she has no idea what she's talking about.

 

[AnOminous]

And with Husk, we have no idea what his heritage is because Viv just says whatever she likes at the time and constantly changes.

And fucks it up into unrecognizability. I love AD, I love Husk, but the ship is the worst thing ever.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

And if you wanted to keep the voodoo element, just say he learned from the people around him when he was alive.

Having spent considerable time in the US south I can honestly say that Voodoo practitioners genuinely do not care if white people use elements of the religion. Case in point, there was an older white guy who was well known in the rural community as a ‘witch doctor’, because the last ‘witch doctor’ chose him to pass on his ‘knowledge’ to. So all the black people in the area were going to this guy to have warts ‘rubbed off’ and ‘roots’ removed. The man couldn’t escape feathers and chicken bones.

Viv could have also said that Alastor is under a curse himself, which would be interesting considering the fact that he’s being forced to participate in the hotel stuff.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Having spent considerable time in the US south I can honestly say that Voodoo practitioners genuinely do not care if white people use elements of the religion. Case in point, there was an older white guy who was well known in the rural community as a ‘witch doctor’, because the last ‘witch doctor’ chose him to pass on his ‘knowledge’ to. So all the black people in the area were going to this guy to have warts ‘rubbed off’ and ‘roots’ removed. The man couldn’t escape feathers and chicken bones.

Or you know, it's literally hell and whitey don't care about appropriating some darkie nonsense considering he's a serial killer already. Murder, that's completely fine, even if repeated and premeditated, but god forbid someone wears a kimono when they're not Japanese or eats a burrito if they're not Mexican.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Or you know, it's literally hell and whitey don't care about appropriating some darkie nonsense considering he's a serial killer already. Murder, that's completely fine, even if repeated and premeditated, but god forbid someone wears a kimono when they're not Japanese or eats a burrito if they're not Mexican.

Now now.

Being serial killer is sexy and mysterious.

Being racist is a big no-no. We can't show that.

 

[AnOminous]

So all the black people in the area were going to this guy to have warts ‘rubbed off’ and ‘roots’ removed. The man couldn’t escape feathers and chicken bones.

It isn't even really all that ridiculous that someone from Louisiana who casts spells involving voodoo symbols would have a social or ethnic connection to the people who invented it. I think I'm annoyed by almost any other retcon lately (assuming this was even a retcon), like having Alastor be acting as some kind of grunt for someone else, which strikes me as the exact opposite kind of character he was introduced as (assuming any truth to that fan theory but Vivz has a bad habit of adopting other people's headcanons about her own work).

 

[Fiwi Karmer 69420]

It isn't even really all that ridiculous that someone from Louisiana who casts spells involving voodoo symbols would have a social or ethnic connection to the people who invented it. I think I'm annoyed by almost any other retcon lately (assuming this was even a retcon), like having Alastor be acting as some kind of grunt for someone else, which strikes me as the exact opposite kind of character he was introduced as (assuming any truth to that fan theory but Vivz has a bad habit of adopting other people's headcanons about her own work).

If you trace your family about 3-5 generations in Louisiana there's a high chance you have either Cajun or Creole heritage. If you're from Southern Louisiana it's basically guaranteed. So, guessing that Alastor was from New Orleans, there's like a 102% chance Alastor would have a connection, with a 2% margin of error.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

It isn't even really all that ridiculous that someone from Louisiana who casts spells involving voodoo symbols would have a social or ethnic connection to the people who invented it. I think I'm annoyed by almost any other retcon lately (assuming this was even a retcon), like having Alastor be acting as some kind of grunt for someone else, which strikes me as the exact opposite kind of character he was introduced as (assuming any truth to that fan theory but Vivz has a bad habit of adopting other people's headcanons about her own work).

Most SJW’s heads would explode if they were to know that one of the major voodoo goddesses is literally a redheaded Irish woman.

Alastor comes off as someone with massive Cluster B traits, having him be someone’s lackey is out of character at best. Having experienced the joy of Narcs, BPDs, and Antisocials first hand, they’re not the type of people who are willing to have someone else hold any semblance of power or control over them, at least not functionally so.

Personally I think Viv just leaves vague hints and lets people write content for her.

 

[AnOminous]

Personally I think Viv just leaves vague hints and lets people write content for her.

I actually believe her on Alastor. That's a character she first started working on in high school.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

I actually believe her on Alastor. That's a character she first started working on in high school.

True, though I feel that Viv is the type of artist who’s characters are in a constant state of motion. Alastor started off as a demonic furry deer thing in Zoophobia iirc, so his characterization is in constant flux outside of his color palate. She’s also had nearly 20 years to get his character settled, but seems to be changing her mind often, at least based on Alastor’s original VA’s comments on Alastor’s background and disposition.

I actually respect the fact that Viv is hyper creative and always coming up with new ideas, but there needs to be some concrete characterization that is relevant to place and time in an IP that is picked up by a major distribution company. Lack of consistency, focus, and continuously building on characters outside of the show is amateur stuff. But I’m also one of those people who take the whole ‘word of god’ thing with a grain of salt and only view info revealed in said media itself as canon.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Most SJW’s heads would explode if they were to know that one of the major voodoo goddesses is literally a redheaded Irish woman.

It’s painfully ironic because the spirits in Haitian/Louisiana Vodou come in a variety is skin tones and pulls from several different cultures.

Maman Brigitte is a well-known vodou spirit and she was basically incorporated from Saint Brigitte. She’s a white-skinned red-headed woman. There’s also a Vodou spirit of love who’s commonly depicted as mixed race or white. Many spirits are black, others white because they hail from European saints, and many mulatto’s. I’ve even seen a few depicted as Native-looking. Though most Cajuns are Roman Catholic, some are dedicated to Vodou, as the religion is basically syncretism of Roman Catholicism and West African religion.

It’s laughable how little tumblrinas and Twitter warriors know about religion and culture.