Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Time for a little insider info that I got from my professor. Amazon Prime is interested in two types of animated shows: pre-existing ips (no shit), and "fandom". What I mean by Fandom, is the stuff that gets popular over the internet. That's why Amazon Prime got in touch with Glitch about their show, "The Amazing Digital Circus". Because of now, they're most watched original animated show on Amazon Prime is Hazbin Hotel. Yes, it has even surpassed Invincible. Be shock as much as I was.
I'm not that surprised. If Harry Potter, Adventure Time, Steven Universe, and basically everything else that shaped the culture of tumblr has taught me, it's that there is a particular and sizable demographic of people who absolutely love mid-effort garbage.
 
I found Mrs. Mayberry attractive tbh. I don’t know. I guess it’s because she’s voiced by Ben Shapiro’s cousin.

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Disney story? Well, the latest Disney movies are fucking shit, so I guess it’s a fair comparison.

>That would be like a kids show and so boring

My brother in christ, how can you say that when vivzie literally didnt even try.

-Charlie did fucking nothing but anger Adam enough to give them 6 less months.
-The only 2 sinner they get are 2 losers avoiding their abusive bosses.
-Husk is the only person who did any progress on a sinner by forcing Angel to be honest, but that doesnt mean Angel regrets his past sins.
-5 month timeskip and Charlie is trying to convince adam that Angel should go to heaven because he told his pimp to fuck off once offscreen.
-The only reason this doesnt work is because no one actually knows how people go to heaven (?????)
-We get a forced war for the sake of an epic finale

This is literally worse than helluva's cause at least that had 1-2 I.M.P. focused episodes. I'm trying to make a comparison but i can't convert it into another show cause it would be too absurd. I legit can't think of another media that completely disregarded it's supposed premise this hard.
 
Time for a little insider info that I got from my professor. Amazon Prime is interested in two types of animated shows: pre-existing ips (no shit), and "fandom". What I mean by Fandom, is the stuff that gets popular over the internet. That's why Amazon Prime got in touch with Glitch about their show, "The Amazing Digital Circus". Because of now, they're most watched original animated show on Amazon Prime is Hazbin Hotel. Yes, it has even surpassed Invincible. Be shock as much as I was.
Never underestimate the thirst of tumblrites for quirky media, especially if it's bright and colourful.
 
>That would be like a kids show and so boring

My brother in christ, how can you say that when vivzie literally didnt even try.

-Charlie did fucking nothing but anger Adam enough to give them 6 less months.
-The only 2 sinner they get are 2 losers avoiding their abusive bosses.
-Husk is the only person who did any progress on a sinner by forcing Angel to be honest, but that doesnt mean Angel regrets his past sins.
-5 month timeskip and Charlie is trying to convince adam that Angel should go to heaven because he told his pimp to fuck off once offscreen.
-The only reason this doesnt work is because no one actually knows how people go to heaven (?????)
-We get a forced war for the sake of an epic finale

This is literally worse than helluva's cause at least that had 1-2 I.M.P. focused episodes. I'm trying to make a comparison but i can't convert it into another show cause it would be too absurd. I legit can't think of another media that completely disregarded it's supposed premise this hard.
I don't know, I think Helluva is still worse than Hazbin in terms of sticking to the premise. Hazbin still is at least focused on stuff relating to getting sinners to Heaven, yeah there isn't a weekly thing about rehabilitating sinners, but at least there's a way to see how you can get to where it is. Not that it's good, but there's at least a point A to point B.

Like if it was just season 1 of Helluva, I'd actually agree it stuck more to where it is than Hazbin, but season 2 goes completely off the deep end.

Helluva was about killing humans for a job, but where does it go from that to being a show about dealing with the assassin's daddy issues, and more focus on the gay owl dad. Where does this even connect to killing humans? The whole assassin thing just feels like set dressing for the whole gay drama.
 
-Charlie did fucking nothing but anger Adam enough to give them 6 less months.
-5 month timeskip and Charlie is trying to convince adam that Angel should go to heaven because he told his pimp to fuck off once offscreen.
The passage of time in this show is done terribly. You're telling me five months have gone by through episodes 1-4? One month, maybe (it's funny cause that's what happens for episodes 5-8), but not five months. There's no way in hell five months worth of shit happened in those four measly episodes. Everyone just remains stagnant. It's only after Lucifer shows up where we start speed running.
 
More than anything, Viv's downfall is due to how DESPERATE everyone is for Western Animation to dig itself out of the hole it's been in for the last years.
I agree, but that unfortunately isn’t going to happen anytime soon because a lot of modern creators are weirdos like Viv.

Like, you remember that Verbalase guy who paid big money to get animated in that HH video?

Well, I’ve seen a lot of men and women with talents in animation like Viv, and they do the same thing as Verbalase. They animate themselves or their self-insert oc into their favorite show and post it on YouTube.

The point is, I think the only way for Western Animation to get itself out of its current dilemma is for people with the talent/skill, competence and maturity to take the reigns.
 
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Saw this meme on Twitter, I don't think this is the W the OP thought it was.
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Saw this meme on Twitter, I don't think this is the W the OP thought it was.
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I think the idea is that people give a pass to cruel villains but hate Valentino. Even ignoring the idea that "rape is worse than murder", it misses the point that

1-Those villains are either hyper tragic or hyper charismatic, and valentino is not.

2-Valentino is what i can only describe as "Recurring edgy rapist/slavemaster that somehow doubles as comic relief", which i never seen ever.

I dont even hate Val as a character but i can't respect the absurdity of his portrayal. Vivzie wants to Val to be an irredemable rapist / slaver but also a wacky funny guy hanging out with his quirky gang BUT ALSO an unironic hot tumblr sexyman. That's the "offensive" part.
 
This is literally worse than helluva's cause at least that had 1-2 I.M.P. focused episodes. I'm trying to make a comparison but i can't convert it into another show cause it would be too absurd. I legit can't think of another media that completely disregarded it's supposed premise this hard.
Helluva Boss's first season, or at least the pilot through episode 7, was actually quite good. The pilot and the first episode give us a perfect set up of the world, the characters, and the job they do. Episode 2 gives us more focus on the (then) most important side character and also gives minor tidbits of backstory to Blitzo. Episode 3 is the first Loona episode and again develops the world more, while still focusing on IMP's job at the same time, and also developing several characters and their relationship with each other. Episode 4 would also be a lot better and more relevant if the Cherubs or Heaven did anything ever again but at the time it still at least had IMP working and trying to get paid. Episode 5 was the biggest outlier but it was still character development and gave us new information. Episode 6 is kind of like episode 4 but at least it starts because they just got done doing a job.

Episode 7 is kind of where the show begins its switch to what it became in season 2 but at the time I felt it worked well as a finale to the first season. But after that point, episode 8 and the start of season 2, it just became a mess and everything interesting was dropped.
 
I think the idea is that people give a pass to cruel villains but hate Valentino. Even ignoring the idea that "rape is worse than murder", it misses the point that

1-Those villains are either hyper tragic or hyper charismatic, and valentino is not.

2-Valentino is what i can only describe as "Recurring edgy rapist/slavemaster that somehow doubles as comic relief", which i never seen ever.

I dont even hate Val as a character but i can't respect the absurdity of his portrayal. Vivzie wants to Val to be an irredemable rapist / slaver but also a wacky funny guy hanging out with his quirky gang BUT ALSO an unironic hot tumblr sexyman. That's the "offensive" part.
Also the tumblrtards that get mad about Valentino are the same people who sperg out about Griffith, so the point the comic was trying to make is kind of moot. Really, it’s more Viv’s fault for cultivating a fanbase of retards.
 
Saw this meme on Twitter, I don't think this is the W the OP thought it was.
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The meme should go like this:
Vivziepop fans happy at Valentino
Vivziepop fans rage at Adam

They like Valentino who was basically sexual harassing Charlie and wanted to pimp out Nifty, but hate Adam because he's a misogynistic dudebro.
 
I...don't thing those all belong together.
Yeah, having the most iconic villain in all of sci-fi with Dio doesn't fit right. I feel like the meme maker just googled random villains and chose the ones depicted.

The meme should go like this:
Vivziepop fans happy at Valentino
Vivziepop fans rage at Adam

They like Valentino who was basically sexual harassing Charlie and wanted to pimp out Nifty, but hate Adam because he's a misogynistic dudebro.
Daily reminder CHADAM did nothing wrong.
 
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Comparing a man who betrayed all of his allies and raped his best friend's girl right in front of him out of petty spite to some faggot pimp who's rough with his hoes makes me mildly MATI.
I'm MATI that they compared:

-A fallen Jedi that was failed by the Order he fought for and betrayed by the Star Wars version of the Devil.
-A terrorist mastermind who successfully convinced Russia and America to go to war.
-A white-haired twink who is the definition of a dick.
-A vampire who'd sacrifice anything to gain more power and to harass his adopted family.
-A psychopathic salesman with a weird fixation for female hands.

Like I said, they chose random villains with infinitely more compelling writing, back story, design, etc. compared to Valentino.
 
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