Oh God, it's Sarcastic Chorus.
A man whose entire channel can be boiled down to "Ugh, I hate those white straight relationships. Why can't they focus on people being gay with each other, including little kids? Also, women did nothing wrong." I'm not joking when I say this.
Every time there's a straight relationship in a cartoon, he'll mostly bitches about it but give a pass if they're gay because "it's more diverse."
Hell, this isn't even the first he defended a total bitch of a girlfriend.
This is the same guy who defended Catra from the She-Ra reboot, a character willing to destroy everything because She-Ra didn't decide to join her in her quest to take over the world.
He made many excuses for Lois Lane from My Adventures With Superman, an utter hypocrite who hates it when people lie to her but constantly lies to everyone else while putting their lives in danger for her own ego.
He even went as far as to explain why Teela, from Kevin Smith's Master of the Universe, was perfectly justified in being angry toward Adam for not telling her his secret identity and sacrificing his life to save the world because "she had to live with it."
Sarcastic Chorus embodies everything that is wrong with cartoon reviewers, made worse by the utterly shit his opinions are when it comes to entertainment.
Stella throwing the butler Imp in a fit of rage and calling a hit man on Stolas: Proof that she’s an evil bitch
Stolas using the same butler Imp as a stress ball and Blitzo having a hit business: No problems here, guys!
What if Stella actually tried to like Stolas, but ended up hating him due to years of neglect? There is no evidence to prove Stella hated him first isnt there? No matter how vivzie tries, she keeps accidentally gifting Stella the benefit of doubt.
That would have actually been a more compelling story and made her something more than a one-dimensional caricature, like pretty much every one of Vivzie's female characters other than maybe Charlie, who is an idealized self-insert. The more Stolas has turned out to be a narcissistic jackass, the more sympathetic Stella could actually be.
Oh God, it's Sarcastic Chorus.
A man whose entire channel can be boiled down to "Ugh, I hate those white straight relationships. Why can't they focus on people being gay with each other, including little kids? Also, women did nothing wrong." I'm not joking when I say this.
Hell, this isn't even the first he defended a total bitch of a girlfriend.
This is the same guy who defended Catra from the She-Ra reboot, a character willing to destroy everything because She-Ra didn't decide to join her in her quest to take over the world.
He made many excuses for Lois Lane from My Adventures With Superman, an utter hypocrite who hates it when people lie to her but constantly lies to everyone else while putting their lives in danger for her own ego.
He even went as far as to explain why Teela, from Kevin Smith's Master of the Universe, was perfectly justified in being angry toward Adam for not telling her his secret identity and sacrificing his life to save the world because "she had to live with it."
Sarcastic Chorus embodies everything that is wrong with cartoon reviewers, made worse by the utterly shit his opinions are when it comes to entertainment.
when I was kid most cartoons appealed to kids with the exception of anime and some adult swim stuff do kids even watch cartoons or are they just made for stunted adults?
That would have actually been a more compelling story and made her something more than a one-dimensional caricature, like pretty much every one of Vivzie's female characters other than maybe Charlie, who is an idealized self-insert. The more Stolas has turned out to be a narcissistic jackass, the more sympathetic Stella could actually be.
I think the only female characters Vivzie made who have any sort of depth (even if its as big as a puddle) are Charlie, Rosie, Lute, and Verosika (unless she's retconned to being 100% pure evil).
There are other female characters Vivzie has and they are one-note, the one she tries to give more depth but it backfires is Sera who is just retarded.
when I was kid most cartoons appealed to kids with the exception of anime and some adult swim stuff do kids even watch cartoons or are they just made for stunted adults?
I think kids still watch cartoons, but it really depends. But ironically despite being "adult cartoons", kids are watching Vivzie's shows. Since I know a lot of parents got mad their kids were listening to "Poison".
Its just we don't see much child fans of cartoons since well... the opinions of adults and manchildren are louder.
Stella is always putting herself over Stolas. She's always been like this. She's never shown considering "maybe throwin this imp a bad thing" (LOL). It's always her feelings that matter over everyone else.
I refuse to watch this video or even look at it. I know this video's (and the comments) are just antagonizing the woman and using it to justify Stolas putting his family over an imp he has little knowledge about because he can't think of any actual ways to move on from his wife he was forced to be with.
Like, y'all do know they're INTENTIONALLY making her this one-note spoiled brat because that's ALL they give to this dang woman. She's physically and verbally abusive because that's ALL they can give to her. Maybe it shows she's impulsive and I can't blame her!
She's powerless, forced into a marriage she had no control over. But we don't see that vulnerable side of her because the show (and Vivziepop) only wants us to see her as this evil abuser who can do nothing but yell, be British, and somehow intimidate a Goetia who has more powers and abilities than she could ever manifest. Stola can literally intimidate her into submission but for some reason he just takes it? Doesn't this junk show how utterly weak of a Goetia he is if he let someone completely powerless to take "control" of him?
As a certified Stella stan, this biased view of her upsets me. It takes simple critical thinking skills to think more about the situation but most of her fanbase just takes everything to heart without looking further into it. They just want to continue lusting over their stupid Stoliz ship, and with Episode 8 coming quite soon this month, the whole Stoliz brigade will only worsen.
She's a tragic character who deserves a lot more experimenting with and the writers refuse to do anything with that. She's a one-note villain who deserves more - both her and Octavia deserves her. They don't need a cretin like Stolas who's willing to not rationally think ways of moving on from the marriage while still trying to find ways to check up on Octavia on his own times, like say, messaging her on his phone or something to keep in touch of her. But, no, just leave them all behind and pretend he's this sad, tragic character who just wants to be "freed" from the woman he can easily overpower, as a bit off putting that may sound.
Not even Millie's this one-dimensional, man. And that's... saying a lot.
She's powerless, forced into a marriage she had no control over. But we don't see that vulnerable side of her because the show (and Vivziepop) only wants us to see her as this evil abuser who can do nothing but yell, be British, and somehow intimidate a Goetia who has more powers and abilities than she could ever manifest. Stola can literally intimidate her into submission but for some reason he just takes it? Doesn't this junk show how utterly weak of a Goetia he is if he let someone completely powerless to take "control" of him?
Vivzie really wants us to see Stella as the abuser but forgets that the power gap is completely on Stolas side. He is a super powerful prince who cant be harmed by her. He can cheat on her publically and she cant do shit. He can divorce and only she has anything to lose because he'll stay a prince. She will hire a hitman in his face and Stolas ignores her completely. Andrealphus wants compensation and Stolas says she deserved to be cheated and he shouldnt pay anything. Stella's cant kill Stolas because her family wants the divorce money so she literally has nothing now.
Like, Stolas could simply kill Stella. Right now. He has no money to lose since it's his. He technically got a fair motive. Other than upseting Octavia, he would win. The only problem he ever had on his life? Gone. The only reason he doesnt is because he considers Stella THAT powerless and insignificant. Hell, Stolas actually LIKED her sending a hitman on him because it gave him an excuse to call blitzo.
Vivzie doesnt get that Stolas neglect would also be a form of abuse. Yeah she can insult and threaten him but Stolas doesnt need to insult Stella because her existence is already humiliating.
And since i found them recently, here are some comments from reddit, to get the idea of how much people hate stella.
They can villainize Stella all they want, but Stolas ditched his kid to go chase dick. Even in Hell, that's lame imo.
Bonus suckage since Stolas knows how Stella is and still left Octavia with her.
At least that's what I would post if I gave a fuck about the imaginary lives of animated drawings.
I don't even care enough about HB to follow the thread that much any more, but for some reason a scene of Stella holding an angel-knife to Stolas' throat and saying "You're not leaving until you give me one... more... BABY." [Close-up of Stolas' eyes going wide, cut to black, glass breaking and screaming sound effect] is just absolutely stuck in my head.
I started out hating Stella but now I think it was a huge mistake to make her such a one note villain. I think she'd be a lot more compelling if she had a real motivation for being as hateful as she is, other than apparently hating him at the outset for something that wasn't even his fault and that neither of them had any choice about.
Logically, she has to have some positive traits, because Octavia chooses to live with her much of the time, but we never see that. I also don't think Stolas is that far above her. He's royalty, but so far down in the line of succession he's unlikely ever to succeed Paimon. That said, I doubt they'd even have had an arranged marriage set up while both of them were still children if she weren't at least some sort of noble in her own right.
So I don't think Stolas could just kill her without repercussions. Just like her own family wouldn't let her kill Stolas, I doubt Paimon would want the hassle and would stop him, and he's clearly intimidated by his dad.
I actually don't even blame her for wanting to kill him. She seems very concerned with reputation and he's made a public joke of her.
A child's drawing of a giant, sharp and angular owl queen; "ME " written above it. Dozens of other owl demons surround her, "MY DAUGHTERS " written beneath them. A different page; a list of nearly 50 names. "Octavia" lies at the top, the only one in the list to have been crossed out.
You guys have been out-philosophizing me about HB and HH for weeks. I was feeling bummed out about not participating, but then I realised something. I can only truly participate if I know what's in the shows. And guess what... I'm not wasting my time watching garbage.
Guess this new post is just for me to say I don't have anything new to contribute anymore, unless I make up some "fan" fiction version of the verse where I fix the things I deem important in the story. Other than that you guys are insane for being able to maintain this discussion for so long. I respect that.
Guess this new post is just for me to say I don't have anything new to contribute anymore, unless I make up some "fan" fiction version of the verse where I fix the things I deem important in the story. Other than that you guys are insane for being able to maintain this discussion for so long. I respect that.
I've skipped most recent episodes myself except for snippets, which I feel somewhat bad about, because I used to await every episode eagerly and be willing to put up with goyslop episodes, but wtf.
I do intend to binge watch most of this stuff at some point, but I haven't yet been that drunk, and I drink a lot less than I used to.
I'm sort of mad, because at least in the case of HH, I expected it to fuck up at some point, because creators often repeat their flaws (like Zoophobia), but I didn't expect it to take a swan dive into the toilet on the very first episode after the pilot.
This was so much more enjoyable trying to fill in the blanks when I was viewing screenshots.
The only thing I regret is actually watching both shows. Pilot and episode 1 of Helluva was great, though. I don't regret that.
You guys have been out-philosophizing me about HB and HH for weeks. I was feeling bummed out about not participating, but then I realised something. I can only truly participate if I know what's in the shows. And guess what... I'm not wasting my time watching garbage.
Guess this new post is just for me to say I don't have anything new to contribute anymore, unless I make up some "fan" fiction version of the verse where I fix the things I deem important in the story. Other than that you guys are insane for being able to maintain this discussion for so long. I respect that.
Dedicating oneself to this thread requires some merit of special needs, and I have a lot of that, unfortunately.
And it's because I have a lot to say about the shows. I really am a huge fan of the shows and its worldbuilding, I just hate how all of it is EXECUTED. I hate how much the show has been BUTCHERED. I hate how much the worldbuilding is either barely/poorly explained or shown or just straight up "making sense" when the plot needs it to be. Safe to say, I'll never run out of things to say in this thread since my list's gonna be never ending atp, especially since we're gonna get the rest of the five season two episodes anyway.
I watch every episode, I constantly look through the world buildings and characters and just deconstructing a lot of things that just either mildly irritate me to absolutely making me MATI. I guess one example of me being mildly irritated as something is the inconsistency of this supposed "traveling" in between planets/rings.
Yes, you heard me.
The seven rings of Hell are planets/rings. Not areas. They're entirely different regions of places that you have to do interplanetary travel to get to, which only makes Hazbin Hotel's premise even more conflicting and gives an even bigger justification to the sinners making fun of Charlie's unrealistic goals in the pilot and Adam criticizing Charlie's ridiculous idea in the official series.
If we also account to how many sinners would probably drop to Hell each day, it's essentially just a second Earth atp, no? And we know that OUR Earth deals with overpopulation, so how can overpopulation be handled in Hell? A mere HOTEL's not gonna fix that, come on!
And for HB, how does the only accessible way to traverse through the world, aka Elevator 666, even works? Where's it even located?? It works like an elevator as said but looking through the screenshots I took, where does it go? How does it travel? In the wiki where it brings up the "Rings of Hell", they're [hypothetically] stacked on top of each other (despite claims say they aren't, but let's just pretend they are).
So does the elevator truly go up and down as an elevator should? I REALLY wish there was a scene where they showed the elevator in-motion because this could really have some interesting questions to add into the pile, such as;
How are sinners prevented from going into the elevator? If it traverses through all the rings then there's one that exists in Pride. But where is it in Pride?
With more than billions of sinners living there and knowing how powerful they can get, how haven't they overthrown the guards? What do the guards look like?
What if sinners found out that they can just infinitely respawn [unless killed by Angelic Weapon] but the ones who are hellborn can't? That knowledge would give devastating affects and WILL be abused to high water. It's no wonder why they're confined in the Pride Ring. It's not because of some deeper meaning, it's literally the fact they can potentially overthrow the guards, freely traverse throughout the rings, and for some, aka the Overlords, kill out the hellborn and easily overtake the other rings since they're practically immune. Remember, they're only gone-gone via angelic weapons. Not even Lucifer himself, too, can take them down for good, only for a certain period of time. Though, that does beg the additional question.
How long does it take for a recently killed Sinner to get respawned? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Is it whenever? Is it depending on the severity of that death? The most information we even get regarding Sinners and their immunity is from the wiki is that they cannot die even if they are hurt or damaged in an extreme way. Even in cartel-style dismemberments, they'll eventually "pull themselves back together", as apparently said by Velvette. But AGAIN, the question permits, FOR HOW LONG?
At first, I was upset about why the sinners couldn't leave Pride despite not all of them going to Hell because of pride-related actions/sins but after thinking through these additional viewpoints, I guess I can give Vivziepop a +1 for working around a concept that somewhat-in-a-way makes sense in theory and execution. Still doesn't make it any less confusing, man.
Sorry if I'm rambling over a nothingburger of a thought like this. I really like worldbuilding and obsessing over worlds and just adding in my lists of "what if'" and "how does this/that function??" of things that I'm sure most people don't really care about. Still gonna ramble regardless because I have high amounts of autism.
Also a random comment I couldn't help but agree with.
Despite this dude's grammar being wonky, I agree with this. How would people of other religions take the fact that the god (or god's) they worshipped were nothing but a lie after all? That would be devastating for them and would take a HUGE toll on their self-esteem and self-worth. Not every Sinner in Hell believes in God or a god generally. I know the show's meant to focus on one part of a mythology/religion, but I still wished to see one character have a severe mental breakdown after realizing that everything they believed in that wasn't related to Christianity was a lie the whole time.
The Hell is a galaxy idea is cool as fuck, I like that a lot. Man they really actively tried to make their world feel as small as possible. I can understand your anger @didelphigina
" written above it. Dozens of other owl demons surround her, "MY DAUGHTERS 
