Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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I'm watching people go delusional in real time like they watched the greatest romantic tragic since Romeo and Juliet

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My bro how fucking gay and garbage is your conflict when it hinges on unironic misundestandings this shit is teen soap opera


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>Written by women = true love

Bro this is toxic yaoi made for fujoshi, then retconned into angsty misunderstanding yaoi, dont pretend stolitz critics are homophobic

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>But stolas did everything right, blitz owes stolas an apology

BLITZO DOESNT OWN HIM ANYTHING. How fuckign entitled is stolas and you to think he does?

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They both wrong and by "wrong" i mean innocent babies uwu

Well at least we wont see stolas for a while-

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Y-you're telling me the next episode will be about Stolas again??? Nononono-

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These people can be such fucking hypocrites. You know they wouldn't be accepting this shit if Blitzø was a fucking woman. Fuck it. Let's use a more realistic situation that could happen in real life:

We have an agent and their client. The client has sex with said agent so that they get the best roles in movies and TV shows. Both parties consent to this agreement. The agent starts getting feeling for their client, and what's to stop this transactional fucking to start a real relationship with their client. On the day that is usually the scheduled fucking, the agent tells the client they don't have slept with them any more to ensure roles and they can have an official romantic relationship. Agent does surprise Pikachu face when client is confused and doesn't return the same romantic feelings.

This is essentially Stolas and Blitzø dynamic, but people still want to put the blame on both of them. People want to say that Stolas is in the right here. Yet these same people will get angry at a director if they ask for sexual favors from an actor to get a better role in their movie. Even if they are both adults and consented to it. They'll say the actor got manipulated or that the director inappropriately used his position of power. But what happened with Stolas and Blitzø, noooooo, it's perfectly fine. Because...Blitzø fell in love with Stolas or something. No stockholm syndrome here. As Blitzø is crying, begging Stolas that he'll do anything to keep his business running. Yeah, Stolas is the good person here. Fuck Blitzø apparently.


Fuck you, Stolas.
 
Stolas is so shit. There is a quote that comes to mind when I watched this episode:

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but the knowledge of something greater."


If you truly love a person, you should never fear losing them by telling them the truth, because what true love gives is more than any rejection can take.
 
I dont even have words for this. I'm speechless in a very terrible way. This show is is gaslight central and everyone in those reddit and Twitter threads are falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
Sadly double posting cause I can't edit it for some reason.

This episode was what I expected and not what I expected at the same time. I knew this episode would continue gaslighting the audience that there's more to Stolas and Blitz's clearly transactional ""relationship"". I knew this episode would have some exaggerated drama and victim blaming. I knew it would end off on a lousy cliffhanger meant to make the fangirls sob their balls off because poor Stolas got his feelings hurt.

Listen.

This episode surprised me. They did strangely did well at actually bringing up the problem at hand. But my respect for that went away as soon as Stolas clearly was more upset he was having to lose his distraction than the fact he pressured him into this pity prostitution thing. Stolas knew Blitzo's life depended on that book (when he KNEW he could have Blitzo the crystal forever ago, but knew he'd lose his sex toy if he did) and he SHAMED him for it. He SHAMED Blitzo for reasonably lashing out that after this long. THIS LONG, to tell him after all the clear, lustful flirts, the sexual advances, the fact every single encounter they had with each other was sexual in a way, was on HIM and not on HIMSELF.

"Think so lowly for me" my poverty stricken hole. You're surprised Blitzo doesn't feel the same for you? You're surprised after literally keeping him under your whim, DEMANDING "a night of PASSIONATE fornication..." every month, that he saw nothing in this but sex? Did you ever talk to him? Did you ever did anything with an imp who clearly hated the fact he's being taken advantage of, how his entire livelihood depends on that book, that you could've made him feel less like a sex object and made him feel like you saw him no different from anyone else?

You never treated him like a real individual with feelings and now you're acting like you're the struggling victim here? I bet you dont know anything beyond this dude other than how big his penis is and that he owns an assassination company. This is not a relationship, this is prostitution with a good hint of forced Stockholm Syndrome added to it. Nah, man, get your emotionally unstable, antidepressants abusing self out of here. You're the 1%, dude. You have more privileges than any imp could ever beg for, more powers than any imp could dream of. You took advantage of his situation, and you're crying that you can no longer manipulate tha. Your wife throwing things at you and calling you a "pathetic man" is justified. Octavia evidently leaving you is justified. Stella, please get custody of your daughter already and win the court case so you can shove the papers up his cloaca. Preferably through force.

He truly did give his life for a meaningless thrust.

I tolerated Stolas, I tried to, but I'm a full on hater now in terms of how this show successfully gaslighted most of her audience into this soap opera of a show, of a character. Unbelievable. Worst episode in terms of Stolas characterization yet, and it's only gonna get worse from here.

The only things that piqued my interest were the return of the cherubs. Unsurprisingly, they were just comedic relief characters like DHORKs and no amount of attempting will make them seem any more of a genuine threat. I preferred them over the stupid (but well done as I hate to admit it) musical and the gay drama at the end.

And the main thing the show should've continued focusing on, that being the imps going to Earth and doing their jobs as assassins being more of a background overthought to let people be reminded that "oh I forgot they did this lol" than anything else. This doesn't beat the allegations of you guys turning a once great premise into your average Wattpad drama series.

Also surprised to hear Loona talk again. Sucks it was mainly to add something to the "Stolas leaving Blitzo behind" plot. Was happy seeing her talk when she encountered the cherubs despite it's unusual for Loona to care what her father's doing.

Ain't surpriaes at all, too, that Twitter is talking about nothing but Stoliz. Not the cherubs or DHORKs (unless to hate on em for taking precious Stoliz time). That one comment I showed a week ago was right. This show does a scarily good job at gaslighting the audience that there was a lot more to something that didn't have much going on at all after piecing things together enough.

It sucks I can only go this far with my vitriol of how backwards this show is on only this site. I'd be a prime target if I said this anywhere else. Almost every corner of the community is an echo chamber. Any real criticism and complaints will be shot down by desperate fujoshies going "uhm, actually" on you as much as they can and get everyone agreeing with them. I'm tired, boss. I really do feel bad for the people who wants to give their justified two cents on the matter.

I need a bottle of Jarritos.
 
Got nothing to say. This episode was shit and the show is still god awful and a complete waste of my time.

Anyway, enjoy this cute fan art I found of best girl:
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I dont even have words for this. I'm speechless in a very terrible way. This show is is gaslight central and everyone in those reddit and Twitter threads are falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
Can't reply to your second post, but I wanted to respond. The last scene maybe would have worked, if we actually got moments between Blitzø and Stolas that just didn't involve sex. The characters will tell us that there's more than just sex, but I sure haven't seen it.
 
Can't reply to your second post, but I wanted to respond. The last scene maybe would have worked, if we actually got moments between Blitzø and Stolas that just didn't involve sex. The characters will tell us that there's more than just sex, but I sure haven't seen it.
Well, people would bring up their interaction at Ozzie's and the (terrible, octavia repellent) S2:E2 episode as examples of them "getting to do more than just sex". But they're nothing more of filler conversations than ones that actually impact their character. But no, I have yet to see where they have a regular one-to-one conversation.

I have yet to see an episode or a long enough scene where Stolas actually talks to Blitzo in a casual conversation and tries to be good friends with him and know his mood and thoughts better. But here's the thing, he's already aware of how Blitzo felt being a prostitute. Yet he still didn't bother to talk to him about the Asmodeus Crystal beforehand rather than just expect him to connect the dots. We're having to connect the dots, too, because it's barely shown or explained.

The only time they actually had a bonding conversation was, I mess with you not, during their stupid childhood backstory. A backstory never extended or explained again. Just done as a cheap way to sell merchandise and gaslight more reasonings to why Stoliz is a real, genuine, emotional ship you guys! And we'll constantly remind you through our advertisements and liked tweets that our show is only still standing this active because of said ship!

Gives me a migraine having to look through every discussion regarding the scene and how much it got people sobbing and crying over something that hardly had any real development to begin with. Vivzie's rubbing her hands like a stereotypical cartoon villain rn.
 
Bro they showed Blitzo being buddy-buddy with Stolas a few episodes ago. In a meaningless, interpretable interaction it was clearly hinted that this was more than just prostitution and Blitzo knew. Argument invalid.

Come on people we're 2 seasons in already. Viz says something on Twitter, that clearly contradicts everything that's been shown and built up to this point? Guess what! The next episode will gaslight/disregard the past plot points and now it's true.

Moxie and Millie being a dysfunctional couple? Charlie and Vagie being deeply in love? Stolas and Blitzo having feelings for each other?

Keep up, people! You don't have to rely on tropes, or buildup, or hints/speculation to know how the plot will go! Just follow Viz's posts on X.

The shows both feel like someone threw away the script and used some 15yo's yaoi drama fanfic off fandom/DeviantArt, speculating how the shows will continue off the pilot alone.
 
While I'm glad that Stolas finally gave Blitzø an Asmodeun crystal (however the fuck you spell it), I am annoyed that another supposedly interesting conflict that was brought up in season 1 was solved in an anticlimactic way. IMP illegally going up to Earth that could get not only them but also Stolas in trouble could have been great drama with a slow burn. It definitely brought the stakes up that could have dramatic consequences for any of the characters. But now, well, IMP can go to Earth legally since Asmodeues gave them his blessing or whatever, and everyone involved can wash their hands of it because it doesn't matter anymore. No, lets focus on the way more interesting conflict of if Stolas and Blitzø will get together even though everyone knows that they will because the creator said so themselves. Just another reason to hate Stolas I suppose. Thanks Stolas. You really know how to disappoint me more and more.
I'm trying to wrap my head around this "demon law" thing. Who makes these laws? Who is Stolas and the other high level demons so afraid of getting involved? Can't be Lucifer because he doesn't give a shit. If Satan is the actual ruler of Hell and doesn't play that shit, then just do that. I think maybe they're doing a Dante thing where he lives at the very bottom, but Viv is actively avoiding having the characters talk about him.
 
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Mcscuse me bitch, what exactly did Blitz do wrong? He never thought of this "relationship" as anything other than transactional, and while it hurt him emotionally to be used by someone he wanted to look out for his company and employees the most. All he ever did was try to make Stolas as happy as possible with his part of the bargain. Not fucking once did Stolas try to talk to Blitz without flirting or making passes at him, not once did he ever try to have a serious conversation about his developing feelings. He ignored the texts while Stolas was in the hospital, but we never were shown what Blitz was doing or how he was feeling in reaction to reading any of them. He in all likelihood thought Stolas was drugged out of his mind or something. Blitz was completely caught off guard with all this.

Okay, so to not just talk about the gay drama I really wanted to say I loved that the CHERUBS were a big part of the episode even if they didn't actually affect anything in the end. The lamb guy still trying to be angelic and good while his colleagues are in survival mode was very cute. I was actually rooting for them to catch up to Blitz and have him explain what he was doing to their horrified little faces. The fight scene was cool, but it's not what I wanted. Should have had the Cherubs spy on Blitz to the point they heard the explanation of the Grimoire and the Asmodean Crystal, giving them intel on how demons enter the human world. But alas.

Anyways, I want to see Stella hanging out with Octavia. We still don't have any idea of how their relationship is.
 
Can't reply to your second post, but I wanted to respond. The last scene maybe would have worked, if we actually got moments between Blitzø and Stolas that just didn't involve sex. The characters will tell us that there's more than just sex, but I sure haven't seen it.
I have yet to see an episode or a long enough scene where Stolas actually talks to Blitzo in a casual conversation and tries to be good friends with him and know his mood and thoughts better. But here's the thing, he's already aware of how Blitzo felt being a prostitute. Yet he still didn't bother to talk to him about the Asmodeus Crystal beforehand rather than just expect him to connect the dots. We're having to connect the dots, too, because it's barely shown or explained.

The problem is vivzie retconned Stolitz into true love without putting effort in the build up and then she makes up the crystal to detoxify the ship without realizing how retarded it gets in hindsight. Even "Ozzie's" is weird in hindsight (Stolas acting like he had no idea asmodeus would be there, fizz saying "you might know me-", etc)

Season 1 Stolas did NOT love blitz. He's a horny guy and thats it. But season 2 reveals Stolas always loved Blitzo and COULD've given him a crystal from the start, meaning this relationship never had to be toxic. Vivzie tries to gaslight us with one mention that they talk in phone messages offscreen and it doesnt work. These two never had an honest hangout.

Note that even the crystal design isnt consistent. In Unhappy campers it's purple but in the last episode it's golden. That's how much vivzie doesnt care. She'll probably tweet that they come in all colors and we're supposed to ignore the purple effects)

btw Vivzie already tweeted the coward option of "they're both flawed uwu"

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Bruh what "mistake" did blitzo make compared to Stolas? Cause i really dont think Stolas will be called out about the stuff he did.

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How deep into that stolas koolaid you have to be to think the only mistake Stolas made was "asking for the book first"?? Even Sarcastic chorus last video calls Stolas an egotistic hypocrite and Blitzo did nothing wrong.

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Anyone who legitimately thinks Blitzo and Stolas are done is retarded. Viv is their number one shipper and is clearly trying to milk her slow burn, angsty yaoi for all it's worth. They're obviously going to be endgame, and if those leaks I shared are to be believed, it's going to be the most eyeroll-worthy shit with Stolas giving up his immortality to be with Blitzo and becoming IMP's new secretary after Loona gets promoted to assassin.
 
Stolas giving up his immortality to be with Blitzo and becoming IMP's new secretary after Loona gets promoted to assassin.

Octavia watching her beloved father abandon her to live his prostitute affair would be extremely tragic but it's what this thrashfire of a show deserves. I hope it's played completely straight and she still hates him.

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Octavia watching her beloved father abandon her to live his prostitute affair would be extremely tragic but it's what this thrashfire of a show deserves. I hope it's played completely straight and she still hates him.

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Nah she is going to be supportive of him since the show wants to really hammer in how much of a "good" father Stolas is.

The latest episode even had "le symbolism" with Stolas having all his portraits in his house covered up except for Octavia being seen and Blitzo had the same with him scratching out himself from all the pictures. THEY HAVE PARALLELS WHICH MAKE THEM STAR CROSSED LOVERS
 
Nah she is going to be supportive of him since the show wants to really hammer in how much of a "good" father Stolas is.

The latest episode even had "le symbolism" with Stolas having all his portraits in his house covered up except for Octavia being seen and Blitzo had the same with him scratching out himself from all the pictures. THEY HAVE PARALLELS WHICH MAKE THEM STAR CROSSED LOVERS

I dont care if vivzie retcons Octavia into supporting Stolas, if he gives up everything to live a mortal life with Blitzo then Octavia has to live with Stella, while Stella celebrates Stolas' death and inherits all his money and power. Literally everyone wins in this scenario.

If vivzie accidentally gives Stella the happy ending she deserves then Helluva Boss is redeemed and becomes peak fiction. (she'll probably kill stella tho cant have ex-wifes happy in yaoi stories 😔)
 
I dont care if vivzie retcons Octavia into supporting Stolas, if he gives up everything to live a mortal life with Blitzo then Octavia has to live with Stella, while Stella celebrates Stolas' death and inherits all his money and power. Literally everyone wins in this scenario.

If vivzie accidentally gives Stella the happy ending she deserves then Helluva Boss is redeemed and becomes peak fiction. (she'll probably kill stella tho cant have ex-wifes happy in yaoi stories 😔)
Personally, I don’t want any of them to have happy endings, the main cast are all horrible and pathetic characters.
 
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