Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Honestly Stolas would be a fine character if he were written with self awareness that he's a shitty person.

He reminds me of someone else who doesn't give a shit about their children, treats his wife terribly, has a gay relationship on the side while holding a lot of power. I wonder who that reminds me of....

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This is why Moral Orel will always be the goat. Clay Puppington's basically Stolas but not only is well written, but is well aware of his actions, no matter how bad they may get, and still continues them even when he knows of the consequences. Stolas is just Clay Puppington if his only personality was being a deadbeat dad and nothing else.
Also why is asmodeus mocking Stolas in public and singing about "I hope you didnt give it up" and "You sold your life for a trust; That's the spirit of LUST!" when he turned out be someone who says lust is all about CONSENT and TRUE LOVE and is willing to fight for him imp lover? I dont think it's meant to be intentional hypocrisy here, but ozzy and fizz turned too popular so she woobified both.

I will still never forgive Vivziepop for woobifying Asmodeus and Fizzarolli. Shame on her intensely.

Asmodeus can get away with dating an imp because he's powerful enough that he can afford to not give a shit about optics or just intimidate/beat down anyone that tries mocking him over it. but not powerful enough to stop his imp from being kidnapped by some retarded mafia cosplayers ayy lmao

Stolas, in comparison, is at much higher risk of losing everything because he's just "middle management"; one of Hell's jannies, if you will. Considering how many Goetias there are, he could easily be replaced by faggot bird #4756 and no one would probably even notice or care.

Mind you, this is just me coming up with schizo crackpot theories to make sense of the plot. The much simpler answer is that Vivzie just fucking sucks at writing.

That's what pulls me off about Asmodeus trying to hide he was dating Fizzarolli. Dude, you're a DEADLY SIN. You're the 1%, only SECOND to the Morningstar/Magne family, and you're worrying about a group only SECOND to Hellhounds in the LOWEST caste system of Hell getting on your butt? That wannabe Vito Corleone (Crimson if y'all wondering) was right. But I don't blame Asmodeus. I blame the writers. They retconned his common sense and thought his reign as a Deadly Sin was over if his "little secret" was found out. In the end, on what he could've just said in the very beginning that he could just simply smite anyone who dares try to make a bigger deal out of it.

But going back to Stolas, you're right, man. He is at a much bigger risk since he can get easily replaced by another Goetia, unlike Asmodeus where there's only seven Deadly Sins - and none of them can't be replaced. Though, we should remember that Stolas is the son of Paimon, probably the most powerful figure in the Goetia heir. I doubt he'll get replaced or even kicked out. Maybe reprimanded but will still operate as normal. His wife, however, may be at bigger risk cause she has no other influence other than being Stolas' powerless wife. She's the one who's easily replaceable, not Stolas.

Stolas can get away with cheating as long as it doesn't heavily affect the Goetia identity. Think of it like a corporation. Imagine the Ars Goetia as a corporation. A corporation, especially multi-million dollar ones, are only affected when their profits are at stake. At risk of being lost at an alarming rate. If Stolas caused a lot more whirlwind than just being caught for sleeping with an imp, that's where pressing matters hit in. Stella did far worse in their eyes, unfortunately, as she hired a hitman and practically got away with nearly killing him.

Why am I even bringing that up? The show moved on from the situation in one single episode. It was just filler. The show doesn't address anything regarding the rest of the Goetia's reaction to the whole scenario. We really having to wait over a year and a half for something that should've been teased on the same episode (S2:E4) about the Ars Goetia growing worried of the tirade between Stella and Stolas.

But that requires actual plotting and additional writing fundamentals. So, whatever.
With her avian appearance and disdain for her faggot lolcow husband, I wouldn’t be surprised if Stella became an unofficial KF mascot.

If I was any good at art, I would definitely upload a drawing here of a crowd of literal kiwis praising her as she looks at them with a confused expression.

Oh, I can very much do that for y'all. Haven't drawn anything HB in a while, let alone drawn Stella, so it'll be great practice drawing her confusingly holding the Kiwi pride flag while being surrounding by Kiwis. I'll let y'all know when it's done, hah.
 
Asmodeus can get away with dating an imp because he's powerful enough that he can afford to not give a shit about optics or just intimidate/beat down anyone that tries mocking him over it. but not powerful enough to stop his imp from being kidnapped by some retarded mafia cosplayers ayy lmao

Stolas, in comparison, is at much higher risk of losing everything because he's just "middle management"; one of Hell's jannies, if you will. Considering how many Goetias there are, he could easily be replaced by faggot bird #4756 and no one would probably even notice or care.

Mind you, this is just me coming up with schizo crackpot theories to make sense of the plot. The much simpler answer is that Vivzie just fucking sucks at writing.

Are they tho?

If that's the case why would Asmodeus hide his love in the first place? why did Mammon say he would regret it?

Why would Stolas lose anything? He seems unharmed by his cheating going public and the divorce. He told Stella her only purpose was having a baby (kinda sexist tbh) so really, she's the only one losing here.

Besides, he was willing to pursue love with Blitzo last episode so again, why feel guilt back then? Why did asmodeus supports quest for love after mocking him?

I know it's not your fault but this whole schrodinger consequences is dumb. It's like vivzie wants to feel have Stolas suffer GAY ANGST over rich x poor struggle but also have her favourite sins Ozzy and Bee be super nice and progressive.
 
Are they tho?

If that's the case why would Asmodeus hide his love in the first place? why did Mammon say he would regret it?

Why would Stolas lose anything? He seems unharmed by his cheating going public and the divorce. He told Stella her only purpose was having a baby (kinda sexist tbh) so really, she's the only one losing here.

Besides, he was willing to pursue love with Blitzo last episode so again, why feel guilt back then? Why did asmodeus supports quest for love after mocking him?

I know it's not your fault but this whole schrodinger consequences is dumb. It's like vivzie wants to feel have Stolas suffer GAY ANGST over rich x poor struggle but also have her favourite sins Ozzy and Bee be super nice and progressive.
If you have ever read any bottom tier shoujo manga or fuck it your garden variety soap opera these kinds of bat shit insane nonsensical plot developments and characters acting hyper irrationally are common just for the sake of creating more pointless melodrama.

Its just pointless junk food for the brain of the lowest common denominator of people. Trying to dress it up as high art or meaningful in anyway is just cope of the highest order from said lowest common denominator to try and not admit that they are as stupid as they are.

This is who viv is now. A soap opera writer who is trying desperately to be a real writer. At least actual soap opera writers know they make garbage for a paycheck, at least there is some honesty to that.
 
If that's the case why would Asmodeus hide his love in the first place? why did Mammon say he would regret it?
Honestly the only way I can see Asmodeus being threatened is if Mammon teams up with another sin to gang up on him, and the trailer does tease that they will finally show Satan, the sin of Wrath. Only way I can see him getting involved with how serialized Helluva Boss has become.

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Alternatively, the very likely thing I can see Vivzie do is have Mammon try to profit off their love life given the amount of fujos who were soying out over it when it was revealed to the public in-universe

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It would fit something Vivzie would write of having the gay boys stand up to the evil business man trying to profit off of true love.
 
Alternatively, the very likely thing I can see Vivzie do is have Mammon try to profit off their love life given the amount of fujos who were soying out over it when it was revealed to the public in-universe

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It would fit something Vivzie would write of having the gay boys stand up to the evil business man trying to profit off of true love.
There's still a funny hint of irony in that. Asmodeus is fine with profiting off people's lust, mostly non-consensual, mind you, as long as it's the hellborn and not humans, the humans he can non-consensually spread his lust to by sending his succubi and incubi to spread their STD's to Earth.

Yet a Deadly Sin just doing what he's meant to do - profiting off people to the brim by exploiting their talent for his own change - is something Asmodeus finds immoral...? He finds a Deadly Sin just doing his business an annoying prick? When that's... his whole... deal? Or does he only care about Mammon exploiting people when Fizzarolli's involved? Cause I can't imagine him seeing him doing the same to any unlucky soul who sells their body to Mammo, both figuratively and literally.

As usual, Mammon is only a "threat" when he has to be. He didn't even lay a finger on Fizzarolli when he turned into his full demon form. All that intimidating and multi-eye showing just to not even curb stomp the dude for daring to go against your money making business. What a wuss ya are, man.

Both of them went into their full demon forms for nothing. Didn't get talked about any more, everyone forgot about it, the next day happens. The End.
 
Hiding your disdain for your consumers behind the shitty characters you created is an interesting strategy. Let's see if it pays off.
Wait a minute Viv didn't create Husk her sister did.
I think this is an old email since it mentions to "gear up for the finale". I can't believe that it's been this long though since the latest update on them. How hard is it to make a paper program? They should at least give people a new update if they're still not ready. Not go radio silent.
Yeah even as someone who doesn't hate Viv's work... Yeah I can't defend the ongoing playbills fiasco.
 
Honestly the only way I can see Asmodeus being threatened is if Mammon teams up with another sin to gang up on him, and the trailer does tease that they will finally show Satan, the sin of Wrath. Only way I can see him getting involved with how serialized Helluva Boss has become.

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Alternatively, the very likely thing I can see Vivzie do is have Mammon try to profit off their love life given the amount of fujos who were soying out over it when it was revealed to the public in-universe

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It would fit something Vivzie would write of having the gay boys stand up to the evil business man trying to profit off of true love.

I think the chances of Satan being evil or a threat to the gays are low, i think mammon was the exception because greed is hard to woobify since CAPITALISM = BAD and he will be the token villain sin and he'll get zero development beyond being a spiteful ex-boss.

In fact, i'm gonna take a wild guess and predict an incoming episode: Mammon will become a recurring villain and hire the resident jobber Striker to kidnap Fizz (hear me out), but Ozzy and Blitzo (who is also there for some reason) will save Fizz in the knick of time and beat striker! Striker will escape to job another day but Ozzy and Fizz will have a big gay kiss and the whole fandom will clap! 👏👏👏


There's still a funny hint of irony in that. Asmodeus is fine with profiting off people's lust, mostly non-consensual, mind you, as long as it's the hellborn and not humans, the humans he can non-consensually spread his lust to by sending his succubi and incubi to spread their STD's to Earth.

edit: stracht what i said, i got it wrong. Never mind the lust demon sure has arbitrary rules for consent.
 
There's still a funny hint of irony in that. Asmodeus is fine with profiting off people's lust, mostly non-consensual, mind you, as long as it's the hellborn and not humans, the humans he can non-consensually spread his lust to by sending his succubi and incubi to spread their STD's to Earth.

Yet a Deadly Sin just doing what he's meant to do - profiting off people to the brim by exploiting their talent for his own change - is something Asmodeus finds immoral...? He finds a Deadly Sin just doing his business an annoying prick? When that's... his whole... deal? Or does he only care about Mammon exploiting people when Fizzarolli's involved? Cause I can't imagine him seeing him doing the same to any unlucky soul who sells their body to Mammo, both figuratively and literally.

As usual, Mammon is only a "threat" when he has to be. He didn't even lay a finger on Fizzarolli when he turned into his full demon form. All that intimidating and multi-eye showing just to not even curb stomp the dude for daring to go against your money making business. What a wuss ya are, man.

Both of them went into their full demon forms for nothing. Didn't get talked about any more, everyone forgot about it, the next day happens. The End.
It only matters when it's involves one of the main characters, or someone we're supposed to like. Do you think Blitzø was the only one drinking his problems away at Beelzebub's party? Every person there was overindulging themselves in apparently a positive way; it was only Blitzø bringing the negative vibes. Bee only cared about Blitzø because he's Loona's dad, and Loona was the star in that episode, so you have to care about her.
 
It only matters when it's involves one of the main characters, or someone we're supposed to like. Do you think Blitzø was the only one drinking his problems away at Beelzebub's party? Every person there was overindulging themselves in apparently a positive way; it was only Blitzø bringing the negative vibes. Bee only cared about Blitzø because he's Loona's dad, and Loona was the star in that episode, so you have to care about her.
For real. Blitzo can't POSSIBLY be the only dude being there to drink his issues away. Out of all the hundreds of imps and hellhounds? Very unlikely. As I've said countless times, shouldn't she encourage destructive behavior? Or is that behavior only acceptable if one isn't making a huge show of themselves? In a way, I can get it. She don't mind her partygoers wasting themselves as long as they're not causing a scene.

But that's where it starts getting conflicting. It doesn't add up. There's never just one person being a nuisance at a party, let alone one that encourages wasting yourself mentally dead under the influence of Bee's honey or whatever they serve there, with what I'm assuming, under no restrictions at all. So how can one overindulge in a positive way, anyway? Overindulgence is never healthy - and I'm saying this as a bloke who overindulges on Stella content - TMI not included - so how is everyone except Blitzo getting themselves wasted in a non-self destructive way?

God, man, this show does not make things make sense when you focus outside the main characters or characters they make us glue our eyes towards. Again, another example of stakes and plot points being completely anticlimactic after just a few additional braincell gauges of thinking.
 
Bee only cared about Blitzø because he's Loona's dad, and Loona was the star in that episode, so you have to care about her.
The only reason Bee even gave a shit about Loona was because she was also friends with her boyfriend

So Blitzo got attention because he’s the dad of her boyfriend’s friend.
 
TVTropes' Nightmare Fuel pages are like a support group for sheltered pussy bitches.
This is me revealing my power level, but one time I added an example on TVT about that kid who was harassing Loona in the pound. I said "It looks like he wants to do something with that bat aside from hit her" alluding to some good old fashioned sexual assault. About a month later, it was removed and the guy who did it was livid. I got sent a whole paragraph about how it's baseless and stupid that I would ever imply such a thing.

Then someone else added it in in more graphic detail! So I'm not fucking crazy after all, that guy was just a dick.
 
The only reason Bee even gave a shit about Loona was because she was also friends with her boyfriend

So Blitzo got attention because he’s the dad of her boyfriend’s friend.
The Beelzejuice that's in production in Bee's mansion is produced at least in part by the happiness and good vibes of the party attendees... if the party isn't going well, the honey sours, Bee loses cash, power, and "workers". Blitzo would have been kicked out of the party one way or another. Loona was there and she was a friend of Bee's boyfriend, so Blitzo got kicked out nicely.

ETA: In 'Cotton Candy' the line is, "Your Queen Bee brings the sweet stuff, so keep making me that motherfucking honey". There's also honeycomb patterns everywhere in Queen Bee's mansion. Who's making honey for her? The good vibes from a raging party.

This symbolism is incredibly basic, and everyone here is complaining about how simple and one dimensional Hazbin and Helluva are, but are still missing all this really obvious shit. Come on.
 
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This is me revealing my power level, but one time I added an example on TVT about that kid who was harassing Loona in the pound. I said "It looks like he wants to do something with that bat aside from hit her" alluding to some good old fashioned sexual assault. About a month later, it was removed and the guy who did it was livid. I got sent a whole paragraph about how it's baseless and stupid that I would ever imply such a thing.

Then someone else added it in in more graphic detail! So I'm not fucking crazy after all, that guy was just a dick.
Pro-tip, don't trust TVTropes nor Wikis controlled by people like that guy. They're always infested with trigger-happy mods who'll delete anything they feel isn't agreeable to their terms or in part to their assumptions and theories. But hearing the mod who removed it not minding the other person posting it is just downright scummy.
 
The Nightmare Fuel page is a guilty pleasure for me. It’s incredibly autistic, but I can’t stop reading it. It’s the equivalent of watching a car accident.
I was on there for the first time in probably years the other day, and I noticed that a shitton of the edgier tropes had disappeared, and the whole website was considerably more sanitised and PG than when it first started. Maybe they're trying to make it more commercial, I don't know.
 
The Beelzejuice that's in production in Bee's mansion is produced at least in part by the happiness and good vibes of the party attendees... if the party isn't going well, the honey sours, Bee loses cash, power, and "workers". Blitzo would have been kicked out of the party one way or another. Loona was there and she was a friend of Bee's boyfriend, so Blitzo got kicked out nicely.

ETA: In 'Cotton Candy' the line is, "Your Queen Bee brings the sweet stuff, so keep making me that motherfucking honey". There's also honeycomb patterns everywhere in Queen Bee's mansion. Who's making honey for her? The good vibes from a raging party.

This symbolism is incredibly basic, and everyone here is complaining about how simple and one dimensional Hazbin and Helluva are, but are still missing all this really obvious shit. Come on.
Oh yeah, I got the symbolism. I was just trying to give an example on the hypocrisy of these supposedly good Sins. Mammon is the bad sin because...he's abusive to Fizzaroli or something.
 
Oh yeah, I got the symbolism. I was just trying to give an example on the hypocrisy of these supposedly good Sins. Mammon is the bad sin because...he's abusive to Fizzaroli or something.
Queen Bee is pretty fucking awful herself. She runs massive pounds where infinite numbers of hellhound puppies are dumped and traumatised, and as soon as they age out, she invites them to her hive, gets them wasted, uses them to make her Beezeljuice, and when they're drugged out of their brains, they mindlessly make more litters of puppies for her to exploit all over again. Queen Bee is just as much of a monster as the other sins. She just has a good singing voice and stage presence.

In the Queen Bee episode, you're introduced to her through Loona's eyes, and Loona quite accurately sees Queen Bee as a showy manipulator of addicts and gluttons. Loona almost breaks the cycle but is then drawn right back into it by Blitzo (underscoring yet again that Blitzo is BoJack Horseman with ADHD and horns.)

This isn't sophisticated or complicated shit. Queen Bee and her orgies are introduced through Loona's eyes for a reason.
 
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