Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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I find it somewhat funny that defenders say that once the show is fully finished, people who criticize it will realize how great it is actually is because they'll be able to watch it all at once. Not only is that terrible excuse to use for a show, as episodes should be able to stand on their own, it's also just not true. If anything, the show is even worse if you watch it all at once, because it feels like major chunks of the story are missing.
I posted this already, but if the ending doesn't include this plus the heads of Alastor and Niffty, and TOTAL DHORKS VICTORY:
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I will not be satisfied. Then again, I am not that much invested, I just decided to break the ice and finally see what's the big deal, instead of relying on the "mystery of not watching it". It really is that bad. This show is making HOTD S2 seem like a masterpiece in comparison, and dare I fucking say GoT S8 almost.

Also how the hell did they make a character like Striker so interesting only to "tame down" his concept? Seriously? Are they afraid he will drive people away from the show? People shouldn't be afraid of creating characters and giving up on them mid way. Adam "was" an asshole but I could see him being funny in the long game.
 
Holy shit I sat down and watched the fucking video - this cartoon is one of the worst fucking things I watched, plot wise, and if this is the type of stuff people watch, damn. The commentator made it bearable. Stolas is the most fucking insufferable cunt I had the displeasure of seeing. Tangent aside, I am rooting for DHORKS now, and for Loona to get ripped a new asshole, lol.

At least Eric Cartman is a funny character - and you can laugh at his wit and there is some character arc that completes him. He doesn't "always win", he's not "always right". Fuck that. How the fuck has Vivienne Medrano made South Park appear like a high, state of the art cartoon I'll never know, but here we are.
I'm more miffed at the fact there are still rabid Stolas/Stolitz defenders despite the growing distaste of both things. Like these people don't bother to hear the other side. They stay in their echo chambers and continue relying on their interpretation of Stolas' character as an absolute, not as a mere opinion. I did notice how anti-Stolas/Stolitz videos are gaining a lot more traction than pro-Stolas/Stolitz videos, though. A huge relief in my book. But it won't stop the circlejerks of HB Twitter and the HB subreddit. Not by a long shot.

Eat the rich, some of em' proclaim. Yet defend a rich, privileged character to high water who basically got away with sexually exploiting the poor. "He's trying his best" despite I have yet to see this dude get a bite of the bullet or a taste of his own medicine (still waiting for him to apologize to Blitz, even once). Coddled within the show, the fandom, everything. I don't care if you watched and analyzed every single detail about the show and Stolas' character. I don't care how much you try to justify "he's still caring for his daughter! He's just scatterbrained like Vivziepop said in a tweet! Blitzy's just a big meanie for standing up to himself and breaking Stolas' sexual fantasies once and for all!". I still have the God-given right to say they basically let a rich man do whatever he wanted to do the poor, get away with it, and still have a bunch of people blindly orbiting him because he's the fandom's "poor depressed relatable gay boi". To be fair, it correlates well with Vivzie very accurately. Minus the "gay boi" part.

Also how the hell did they make a character like Striker so interesting only to "tame down" his concept? Seriously? Are they afraid he will drive people away from the show? People shouldn't be afraid of creating characters and giving up on them mid way. Adam "was" an asshole but I could see him being funny in the long game.

As with basically every other character atp, he's merely a joke or a plot device for Stolitz. That's it, really. His last appearance was just hastily used to give Fizzarolli and Blitz an excuse to bond together for like... a few minutes and magically have Fizz forgive Blitz for making him a literal quadriplegic. But again, hey, he's got big daddy boyfriend now so I GUESS it's worth it.
 
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I'm more miffed at the fact there are still rabid Stolas/Stolitz defenders despite the growing distaste of both things. Like these people don't bother to hear the other side. They stay in their echo chambers and continue relying on their interpretation of Stolas' character as an absolute, not as a mere opinion. I did notice how anti-Stolas/Stolitz videos are gaining a lot more traction than pro-Stolas/Stolitz videos, though. A huge relief in my book. But it won't stop the circlejerks of HB Twitter and the HB subreddit. Not by a long shot.

Eat the rich, some of em' proclaim. Yet defend a rich, privileged character to high water who basically got away with sexually exploiting the poor. "He's trying his best" despite I have yet to see this dude get a bite of the bullet or a taste of his own medicine (still waiting for him to apologize to Blitz, even once). Coddled within the show, the fandom, everything. I don't care if you watched and analyzed every single detail about the show and Stolas' character. I don't care how much you try to justify "he's still caring for his daughter! He's just scatterbrained like Vivziepop said in a tweet! Blitzy's just a big meanie for standing up to himself and breaking Stolas' sexual fantasies once and for all!". I still have the God-given right to say they basically let a rich man do whatever he wanted to do the poor, get away with it, and still have a bunch of people blindly orbiting him because he's the fandom's "poor depressed relatable gay boi". To be fair, it correlates well with Vivzie very accurately. Minus the "gay boi" part.
You know what icked me? The fact that "Stolas is never wrong" angle, only to then tick on my head "OH! So this is the episode where Blitzø has to humiliate himself and then at the end the fucking gag is that appears the incubus by the name of "Better than Blitzø guy"". Fucking fucking fucking, is this supposed to be funny? If that was, I thought I had to laugh. "Look, an imp being humiliated for being right!" That's bullshit writing, I expect teenager to write crap like this, not adults. Of course, last time I appeared too MATI, but with a positive analysis: Stolas needs to sit down and evaluate his fucking life - he's a hypocrite using Octavia as a fucking shield against Stella. Where are his redeeming qualities? Being a homo? Really? Maybe being... caring for those he likes? Frugal perhaps? That's all I saw on a few essays, I know I'll get annoyed if I watch this show.

And out of all characters, are we supposed to feel bad for a jackass like Blitzø? Maybe that's the 3D chess of the writers. (nah, I'm sure not). Maybe they bashed the character only for the next episode to have nothing to do with anything. I'm guessing things are gonna be fanservice for the sake of fanservice. I'm honestly surprised how Octavia, Stella, and those around Stolas haven't made his ass become a stool already (ha!).

As with basically every other character atp, he's merely a joke or a plot device for Stolitz. That's it, really. His last appearance was just hastily used to give Fizzarolli and Blitz an excuse to bond together for like... a few minutes and magically have Fizz forgive Blitz for making him a literal quadriplegic. But again, hey, he's got big daddy boyfriend now so I GUESS it's worth it.
WASTED CONCEPT: You get a threatening antagonist, only to use it to further a retarded ship. They could use him to make him seem like a """villain""" where you say at first: "I WANT HIM DEAD!", only for you to softed up as time goes by! THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE GOOD CHARACTERS! Do I have to invoke Jaime fucking Lannister here? There are a thousand ones, like Zuko from Avatar: the Last Airbender (another animated series), yet you turned characters you wanted "gone" to become relatable as the story progressed. What a shame...
 
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God, this reminds me so much about how little I've seen people actually dissect the issues Stella has suffered with. As in, actually bringing up the fact she's a queen forced into a marriage she never asked to be in and how she's just a mentally unstable tradwife. I've yet to see a YouTuber go in depth with Stella's character that doesn't just stay in certain lanes to appease a certain crowd.
 
Whoever made this did Vivzie a lot of favours drawing her like that rather than what she actually looks like.

But yeah vivzies work and her fans basically follow the fanfic logic of 'any woman who gets in between the yaoi is awful and the yaoi boys themselves are my uwu little gay babies even if theyre rapists, stalkers, abusers etc'.

Thought at least even with the traditional fujoshits the male characters they were defending usually at least looked nice and normal enough. I cannot comprehend how a human mind could come to find this ugly thing sexy, though.

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God, this reminds me so much about how little I've seen people actually dissect the issues Stella has suffered with. As in, actually bringing up the fact she's a queen forced into a marriage she never asked to be in and how she's just a mentally unstable tradwife. I've yet to see a YouTuber go in depth with Stella's character that doesn't just stay in certain lanes to appease a certain crowd.
It would be interesting. The amount of butthurt and a depth that would be given to her. Double whammy (or WHAAAAA-mmy I wonder).
Whoever made this did Vivzie a lot of favours drawing her like that rather than what she actually looks like.

But yeah vivzies work and her fans basically follow the fanfic logic of 'any woman who gets in between the yaoi is awful and the yaoi boys themselves are my uwu little gay babies even if theyre rapists, stalkers, abusers etc'.

Thought at least even with the traditional fujoshits the male characters they were defending usually at least looked nice and normal enough. I cannot comprehend how a human mind could come to find this ugly thing sexy, though.

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You'd be impressed. There are people who do ASMR of characters like Valentino, Vox, Alastor and crap like that and they write shit like "OH THANK YOU DADDY I WILL GO NOW TO THE BASEMENT PLAP PLAP PLAP". Coombrained teenagers. And yes, I had to look it up to see it for myself. Only because they have what, a sexy/seductive voice or what?

I just wonder what compells people to write crap like this?
 
Whoever made this did Vivzie a lot of favours drawing her like that rather than what she actually looks like.
Probably because they're basing the drawing on what she looked like before she got the amazon TV deal, threw everyone involved in the OG hazbin under the bus for new shiny hollywood/broadway people and rapidly animorphed into amy schumer as if some divine punishment was inflicted (or some hollywood demon skinwalker killed her and is now wearing her bloated corpse as a skin really either could have happened)
 
Thought at least even with the traditional fujoshits the male characters they were defending usually at least looked nice and normal enough. I cannot comprehend how a human mind could come to find this ugly thing sexy, though.

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It's the Onceler effect. Vivzie's a Tumblr veteran, and Tumblr's userbase (especially the fujos of the era) got super into the Onceler, and in turn, anyone that resembled him. He's skinny, he's got a top hat, he's sleezy with a "broken side", etc, etc. To that point, people began shipping the Onceler with alternate versions of himself and everything. He basically created the template.

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It's the Onceler effect. Vivzie's a Tumblr veteran, and Tumblr's userbase (especially the fujos of the era) got super into the Onceler, and in turn, anyone that resembled him. He's skinny, he's got a top hat, he's sleezy with a "broken side", etc, etc. To that point, people began shipping the Onceler with alternate versions of himself and everything. He basically created the template.

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I never knew that, this is good to know. Seems like a proto-Jack Skelington. Not surprised to find Jeff the Killer in there. My honest reaction:
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Also I recognize that skeleton guy in pink color that kept bobbing his head up and down to some beat, I wonder who the is he?
 

Video makes a jab at Viv’s Beelzebub design at 2:50
Great video! I will disagree by the 17:00-18:00 mark, where he says there's no "biological difference between men and women". Hardly disagree in fact. Men commit more crimes, sexual crimes against women due to biological differences indeed. However, there are psychological, ethnic and many other factors at play. I will say that honestly, I don't care about these "skimpy characters". They never made my type, and the less the better. Both women and men could be clothed, thank you.

There is beauty in simplicity at character design indeed. I think the concept of "K.I.S.S." (Keep It Simple, Stupid) works wonders. Anyone remember the "Sparkledogs", the assault on people's eyes? Beelzebub sort of reminds me of that.
 
Great video! I will disagree by the 17:00-18:00 mark, where he says there's no "biological difference between men and women". Hardly disagree in fact. Men commit more crimes, sexual crimes against women due to biological differences indeed. However, there are psychological, ethnic and many other factors at play. I will say that honestly, I don't care about these "skimpy characters". They never made my type, and the less the better. Both women and men could be clothed, thank you.

There is beauty in simplicity at character design indeed. I think the concept of "K.I.S.S." (Keep It Simple, Stupid) works wonders. Anyone remember the "Sparkledogs", the assault on people's eyes? Beelzebub sort of reminds me of that.
I think it's quite likely he's highlighting the statement and does not actually believe it, but it's hard to tell.
 
I think it's quite likely he's highlighting the statement and does not actually believe it, but it's hard to tell.
Huh, could he be a SynthethicMan guy, only with more Irony and Sarcasm, only with less coombrain? LoL. Yeah, it is hard to tell.

To stay on topic: do you think Millie will kill herself for real or that is just bait to get people to comment about the show on social media only to then go with an amazing gotcha?
 
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Great video! I will disagree by the 17:00-18:00 mark, where he says there's no "biological difference between men and women". Hardly disagree in fact. Men commit more crimes, sexual crimes against women due to biological differences indeed.
I think it's quite likely he's highlighting the statement and does not actually believe it, but it's hard to tell.
He prefaces before listing the reasoning behind “de-objectifying“ vidya women that he “disagrees with the reasons for doing so” (18:58). He’s just giving a description of the argument, which requires that biological essentialism is false because then there would be no point to the argument since male violence towards women then occurs as a result of biological tendencies and not because of cultural tendencies that have no basis in biological reality, and therefore can’t be fixed by removing scantily clad women from vidya.
 
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