Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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I’m not sure if this question has been brought up in here before, but I’ll address it anyway:

Why are there furries in heaven depicted in an episode of Hazbin Hotel? This is contradictory to the fact that all animal-like creatures reminiscent of demons are exclusively dwelling in hell. Can’t the animators or Viv herself hold their urge to insert furries anywhere they can or am I missing something?

Besides, everyone knows that just like all zoos and pedos all furries end up in hell. So what exactly was Vivziepop onto?
Before the show cam out on Amazon, Viv said that the worst your sins were when you were alive, the more animalistic/inhumane your appearance would be in Hell. Hence why Vaggie was the most human-like in the cast. Though, now that she was retconned to be an exorcist, guess we can throw that off the table.

Such a shame, since that could have been a great explanation for what happened to the worst people that got sent down there. They committed such inhumane acts when they were alive, they lost all sense of humanity when they get down to Hell and become these monstrous beings that are completely animalistic and can't be reasoned with. But I guess the form doesn't really matter anymore, because thanks to Sir Pentious redemption, we now know that a Sinner will look like what they do in Hell, just with softer, pastel colors.
 
If that was to make Stella look bad, they failed spectacularly, at least for me. Real couples take turns and sometimes will ask the other to take care of their child late at night.
That wasn't the intention of that, though. Vivz already had the idea of Stella just being totally evil and used this as part of how to introduce that.

And I don't know if you've noticed this, but Vivz is FAT.
Why are there furries in heaven depicted in an episode of Hazbin Hotel?
Because Vivz is a furfag. DUH!

Have you noticed how many furfags are in the credits? You literally have people named things like Sarah "Serval" Fisher. Guess what? That's a furfag.
 
If that was to make Stella look bad, they failed spectacularly, at least for me. Real couples take turns and sometimes will ask the other to take care of their child late at night.
That scene was just to portray Stella as not caring about Octavia and pushing her onto Stolas. Their goal is pretty much just to make Stella look evil in every scene she appears.
 
That scene was just to portray Stella as not caring about Octavia and pushing her onto Stolas. Their goal is pretty much just to make Stella look evil in every scene she appears.
That wasn't the intention of that, though. Vivz already had the idea of Stella just being totally evil and used this as part of how to introduce that.
I know the goals and intentions, and part of me hates it cause it’s so freaking lazy and seeing this type of writing before, the worst part is that I know they’ll likely keep upping the ante until they have her drown a sack of puppies and crippled orphans just to get the point across that she’s evil, but like most of this show, if anyone takes a minute to look at it objectively, it fails/falls apart instantly. That doesn’t erase the intention, but how am I or anyone suppose to take that seriously if the underlying intention is supposed to take priority over what’s on the damn screen? (As an earlier comment said the issue is people with no experience with kids, trying to write parents with kids.)

It’s just like the relationship between Stolas and Blitzo or Stolas and Octavia. Both are a toxic waste dump when you examine the actions committed on screen and the words written, but because of the intention, they’re actually super in love with each other and just need to talk, and he’s a super duper dad that just loves his daughter, and is trying super hard. They tell us on Twitter or Instagram or whatever platform they’re on the real take away, and we’re supposed to just ignore the Show, the primary product.

Hell, they couldn’t even get the Show Don’t Tell aspect of Stella being abusive right. Pro-Tip: If you want to show Stella being abusive then, I don’t know, maybe, DON’T HAVE STOLAS CATCH THE HAND ABOUT TO SLAP HIM AND HAVE HIM STAND UP FOR HIMSELF. All I saw was a woman feebly attempting to hit the worst character on the show, failing, and then being put in her place because her Husband actually has most of the power, considering that he kicks her out, and she needs to rely on people above them both to actually be something of a threat. You just showed that she herself is not a threat twice in one scene, how am I suppose to think of her as one after that?! But the intention is she’s super mean and has been hitting him all this time and is super evil and feel pity for the Disney Princess Owl sining about being in a cage despite constantly being able to do whatever he wants with 0 consequences thus far, so thats what our take away should be. Fuck what we see with our eyes and hear with our ears, some asshole on X who can’t write for shit clarified it all in a tweet anywhere from days to years ago. Hope that post doesn’t get lost to time.

It’s the same issue with Striker. He’s a super evil gun for and wants to kill Stolas because someone paid him to, and the only people to oppose him are super evil guns for hire that kill people because they’re paid to. If the demon is willing to kill a cringy weeb, and that’s supposed to be funny, why should I see someone else as evil just because they have bird-boy in their crosshairs? Is it because you tell me I should like him? I say pull the trigger and do everyone a favor!
And I don't know if you've noticed this, but Vivz is FAT.
I am well aware that Viv is FAT. She and her crew also don’t seem intelligent enough to write a coherent story, have the will power not to run from her own shows’ premises, nor possess the theological nor moral knowledge to write a story about redemption using the Christian Faith as a basis for her world.
 
Hearing people talk about this mess of a story makes me want to know the mess that's going behind the scenes. We only know the tip of the iceberg from supposed leaks, biased personal accounts, and patterned actions. I'm just hoping someone on that team is compiling an unbiased timeline of this production to release once this is all done.

In some ways, Viv reminds me of Alex (Yandere Dev). Both just keep throwing in ideas that sound great to them because they are for whatever reason afraid to just stick with the original premise they pitched. Main difference is Viv has actual talent, can get shit done, and isn't pedo.
 
In some ways, Viv reminds me of Alex (Yandere Dev). Both just keep throwing in ideas that sound great to them because they are for whatever reason afraid to just stick with the original premise they pitched. Main difference is Viv has actual talent, can get shit done, and isn't pedo.
That's why Yandere is just a lolcow but Vivz approaches tragedy.
 
In some ways, Viv reminds me of Alex (Yandere Dev). Both just keep throwing in ideas that sound great to them because they are for whatever reason afraid to just stick with the original premise they pitched. Main difference is Viv has actual talent, can get shit done, and isn't pedo.
Also not to mention, with Viv and her premises, she is the one who made them, where as the whole premise of Yandere Simulator is something Alex stole from a 4chan thread, and Alex literally has no original talent in his body.

While Viv can make original things, even if they're dogshit.
 
So I found some storyboards on tumblr of all things for what season 1 could have been. And I feel so fucking robbed.
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Actually getting to know the main characters? What looks like actual chemistry between Charlie and Vaggie? Proof that Pentious/Cherrie was yet more fanservice shit? Seriously, why couldn’t we have gotten this over the “Let’s go to war with heaven in the season one finale!” nonsense we got.
 
Not going to lie, those concepts actually sounded more interesting than what we got. I wonder if the 8 episode limit and no guarantee of a season 2 just incentivized just rushing the show with a bit of sequel bait.

As a side note, whoever mandated all shows must have 8 episode seasons nowadays should be thrown out a window
 
Some of the "slice of life" plots could been great in execution with smart writing (e.g. dealing with a hornet nest). Also, Vaggie being challenged by a character more progressive than her sounds like a fun way to satirize the target audience.

Curse this timeline! *sigh*
 
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So I found some storyboards on tumblr of all things for what season 1 could have been. And I feel so fucking robbed.
Actually getting to know the main characters? What looks like actual chemistry between Charlie and Vaggie? Proof that Pentious/Cherrie was yet more fanservice shit? Seriously, why couldn’t we have gotten this over the “Let’s go to war with heaven in the season one finale!” nonsense we got.
Wow, there is character arc and actual conflict here. This is pretty damn cool. Also Husk in the mob and so was Angel? reused ideas for Helluva Boss? Why was that the case? This could have been much better. The ex boyfriend thing sounded like an actual interesting thing. The only thing lacking, I feel, is perhaps Adam & Lucifer (but maybe they'd show up in a "potential Season 2" if they followed through with this plotline). Also this seems much more episodic (akin to SpongeBob SquarePants) and much less serialized (akin to Gravity Falls). Oh well...

EDIT: I do like slice of life, but I feel like it's overused nowadays. Perhaps used sparingly, it could be done great. But you must have something like "Okay, 14 episodes a season. Let's do 6 episodes slice of life, and 8 for plot". I feel like that works perfectly.
Not going to lie, those concepts actually sounded more interesting than what we got. I wonder if the 8 episode limit and no guarantee of a season 2 just incentivized just rushing the show with a bit of sequel bait.

As a side note, whoever mandated all shows must have 8 episode seasons nowadays should be thrown out a window
It worked somewhat okay with Bernard Cornwell's Saxon Chronicles/Saxon Tales adaptation "The Last Kingdom". Each book was 370-390 pages, with a total of four-1 hour long episodes being used to tell them (but they made too much modifications for the cast members, before Netflix gave them ten-50 minute long episodes by Season 3).
In hindsight, it's so odd seeing cartoons like The Loud House where you see things like seasons having 28 episodes. I don't remember good shows like Dexter's Lab or The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron having that much, perhaps half that much.
 
You know while it seems unlikely that we'll see any "domestic issues" between Charlie and Vaggie that lesbians seem to have trouble with, apparently the teacher and the woman she had assassinated are a couple, so that is still kind of funny and may even be better when you think about it, even if it's just a one-off moment.
I'd like to believe that's true, but Mrs. Mayberry and Martha seem to be there just to score brownie points with alphabet soup people. From the very first episode in the wikia entry, Mayberry was married to a guy called Jayrold, and Martha murdered her (I think?). Why the fuck would they become lovers??? It's some Harry Potter x Draco Malfoy level of shit, or even Cloud Strife x Sepiroth.
 
I'd like to believe that's true, but Mrs. Mayberry and Martha seem to be there just to score brownie points with alphabet soup people. From the very first episode in the wikia entry, Mayberry was married to a guy called Jayrold, and Martha murdered her (I think?). Why the fuck would they become lovers??? It's some Harry Potter x Draco Malfoy level of shit, or even Cloud Strife x Sepiroth.
Mrs. Mayberry's husband was cheating on her with Martha. She tried a double murder-suicide, but only succeeded with the latter. It makes no sense for them to end up together and is just pandering to fan service.
 
Mrs. Mayberry's husband was cheating on her with Martha. She tried a double murder-suicide, but only succeeded with the latter. It makes no sense for them to end up together and is just pandering to fan service.
Exactly. Also makes me question what happened to Martha’s husband and kids, since they’re nowhere to be seen. And there’s no way they got into Heaven, right?
 
You know while it seems unlikely that we'll see any "domestic issues" between Charlie and Vaggie that lesbians seem to have trouble with, apparently the teacher and the woman she had assassinated are a couple, so that is still kind of funny and may even be better when you think about it, even if it's just a one-off moment.
No addressing of the obvious lesbian bed death issue.

Vivz is way more interested in the fujoshit crap.
 
Autismo Swag released Part 2 of that "Comprehensive History of Chris Chan but for Vivziepop and without a script"

Note that even Autistic Swag admits that this basically is a Chris Chan docu-series but for Viv at this timestamp (15:01)
What's going on with the Spindlehorse and the legal stuff at 25:45 in the video? It's registered as a gaming company? @AnOminous I think she's probably confused but you might want to check it out.
 
What's going on with the Spindlehorse and the legal stuff at 25:45 in the video? It's registered as a gaming company? @AnOminous I think she's probably confused but you might want to check it out.
I'm not going to discount everyone complaining about Spindlehorse but it's utterly normal for a corporation to be represented by a registered agent at literally hundreds of other agents at the same address.

This dude seems super mad. But his story (or her story since this dude sounds like he might be a troon too) (and then he flapped his lips like a horse so probably a brony too) does seem pretty common among the people currently chimping out at Vivz.
 
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