Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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I mean it could always happen, its just that those shows are not in the modern internet era where fandom culture is as batshit crazy as it is.
I don't know man, I didn't mean to come across as kind of spazztic, yet it kind of seems like nowadays everything has weird, batshit fandoms. Or people want to latch on something they think it'll be famous to attract attention to their channel.

Maybe I could be wrong.
 
A bit off topic, but hearing that The Amazing Digital Circus will also be streaming on Netflix while remaining on YouTube, just confirms for me that HB will also be on a streaming service, most likely on Amazon Prime. Especially since Viv wants HH and HB to crossover with one another.
 
What i thought happened was vivzie managed to retain most of the creative rights to her shows like hb and hh unlike so many animators and cartoonists before her. (Just look up the sad fate of the creator of making fiends to see just how far big companies will screw people out of the rights to their own creations)

But the trade off was amazon was going to get exclusive distribution of HH and despite helluva still taking place in the same universe, they couldn't cross over as part of the deal letting her keep her intellectual property rights.

And aside the few Easter eggs like the Charlie doll in emberlynns room the characters from one show couldn't direct interact with the other.


If that ISN'T the case regarding rights well my bad on that front, but still. It feels like characters in helluva from mayberry to Jimmy and the other counselor he killed, emberlynn, and Martha's kids, who are children and didn't know any better/were raised to belive what they did was right. Were all set up to be characters who realize "You know we kinda got screwed over by the assholes who say yes or no to who gets into heaven or not "

But for whatever reason whether it's rights issues regarding ips or vivize just not thinking things through (either one being plausible) remains to be seen.
 
If that ISN'T the case regarding rights well my bad on that front,
Your probably kind of right, but kind of wrong. Most likely the deal is that HH characters can't go over to HB, but there is probably nothing saying that HB characters can't go over to HH.

However, doing so will likely lose her the rights to use those characters in HB after that point unless otherwise stated in the contract. Hence why they haven't been shown.
 
A bit off topic, but hearing that The Amazing Digital Circus will also be streaming on Netflix while remaining on YouTube, just confirms for me that HB will also be on a streaming service, most likely on Amazon Prime. Especially since Viv wants HH and HB to crossover with one another.
I'm shocked it isn't already to be honest
 
It's honestly impressive that the damn playbill that was supposed to release alongside the trading cards apparently still hasn't been delivered, it's even funnier that the only news we've gotten from it was RP shit from Husk and Charlie that doesn't actually give people info on their purchase.

I know the theory of him being involved with British Raj is popular these days, but Viv doesn't have the guts to reveal that a character the audience is supposed to like was in fact a ruthless colonial during his time on Earth.
It's quite odd how this playbill delay is even being allowed to happen. You know, if for example, if Vivz went ahead and just animated the rest of HH on her own ala the pilot and only got financing via Patreon, this kind of merch delay would be excusable and even expected, and her RP responses would even be oddly cute (albeit a bit cringe). But, uh, Vivz? YOUR SHOW IS ON AMAZON PRIME. You know, the streaming side of ONE OF THE BIGGEST E-COMMERCE COMPANIES IN THE WORLD. What the fuck is going on over there? Can't she have them do merch fulfillment? Even fucking Null himself got a better handle on this kind of business than this spic fujo.

@Outer Space Traveller, can't quote ya, but I fully understand your pain over TWD. Gimple did the show (and Chandler Riggs) dirty with his bullshit ass death (for those not in the know, Carl Grimes (the son of the show's protagonist, Rick Grimes) got randomly chomped on the side by some fucking walker in a totally retarded zombie fight scene even though he was a competent fighter up to that point, all in an effort to help out some fucking pajeet doctor, and even that was rendered meaningless by his death two seasons later), and especially in the end of one of the weakest seasons ever aired in 2010s mainstream TV. I just kept watching just to see how they would handle Alpha's and the Commonwealth arc, and honestly, even those managed to have some good moments, but I was still peeved overall by the end. And as for FTWD, I thought up to season three things were mid and then it got interesting to me in season 4 (though I guess the fandom's reaction were the exact opposites lel) with Morgan's appearance and all the interesting set locations they put up. Sadly, they jumped the shark and it turned into The Morgan Show (huh, it oddly reminds me of The Stolas Show- I mean, Helluva Boss! How about that) by season five.

Anyway, as to not go too offtopic, Hazbin Hotel was meh to me, and only mildly decent during the times I allowed my brain to shut off watching it. As for Helluva Boss... Honestly, I didn't mind watching Stolas and Blitzo's toxic relationship slowly spiral during the first season, and hell, when the show actually followed its damn premise, it's a good fucking watch! But now, it's The Stolas Fujo Owl Sadboi uwu Show (Fuck Blitzø. All My Homies Hate Blitzø). Jesus, someone get Viv's fat ass and her fetishes out of the writing room already!

Also, for the certified Stella stans like @didelphigina, I see you and I hear you. Y'all are hecking valid :heart-full::tomgirl::heart-full:
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@Outer Space Traveller, can't quote ya, but I fully understand your pain over TWD. Gimple did the show (and Chandler Riggs) dirty with his bullshit ass death (for those not in the know, Carl Grimes (the son of the show's protagonist, Rick Grimes) got randomly chomped on the side by some fucking walker in a totally retarded zombie fight scene even though he was a competent fighter up to that point, all in an effort to help out some fucking pajeet doctor, and even that was rendered meaningless by his death two seasons later), and especially in the end of one of the weakest seasons ever aired in 2010s mainstream TV. I just kept watching just to see how they would handle Alpha's and the Commonwealth arc, and honestly, even those managed to have some good moments, but I was still peeved overall by the end. And as for FTWD, I thought up to season three things were mid and then it got interesting to me in season 4 (though I guess the fandom's reaction were the exact opposites lel) with Morgan's appearance and all the interesting set locations they put up. Sadly, they jumped the shark and it turned into The Morgan Show (huh, it oddly reminds me of The Stolas Show- I mean, Helluva Boss! How about that) by season five.

Anyway, as to not go too offtopic, Hazbin Hotel was meh to me, and only mildly decent during the times I allowed my brain to shut off watching it. As for Helluva Boss... Honestly, I didn't mind watching Stolas and Blitzo's toxic relationship slowly spiral during the first season, and hell, when the show actually followed its damn premise, it's a good fucking watch! But now, it's The Stolas Fujo Owl Sadboi uwu Show (Fuck Blitzø. All My Homies Hate Blitzø). Jesus, someone get Viv's fat ass and her fetishes out of the writing room already!

Also, for the certified Stella stans like @didelphigina, I see you and I hear you. Y'all are hecking valid :heart-full::tomgirl::heart-full:
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Anywho, for TWD: Fuck the producers. Carl Grimes was supposed to make it, but I suppose Chandler Riggs turning 18 fucked over with regulation, salary or whatever. I guess the writing was on the wall with how they killed Sophia back in season 02, and how Carl married her in the comics. yet they could still make up for it in the series with interesting stuff. Honestly the Lintz siblings got the short end of the stick as well: Madison Lintz played Sophia, then Macksen Lintz played Henry, who I believed would be Carl 2.0, and finally Matthew Lintz who played an older Henry. Yet there, he appeared with his head on the spike. Fuck everything. I tried giving the show a small glimpse with Henry, but seeing he died, that was it for me. With Carl dead, that was too much. I may be overreacting, but I really wanted him to make it. Guess I dodged a bullet, yet I caught it with Game of Thrones, if you noticed my replies on this thread - being an avid A Song of Ice and Fire fan. While ASOIAF is much better than Hazbin/Helluva/Hellaverse in general, it's not by saying much. Plenty people supplied great commentary on the thread of the House of the Dragon about GRRM. Recommend you checking it out.

On topic, about Vivianne: I mostly made a joke about "TWD and FTWD" because it's honestly strange how the copywright is working against her. What the fuck, the characters can appear in the HH series, but then she loses autonomy over them? Strange, really. Would be akin to Kirkman wanting a crossover, but AMC being extremely picky with its flagship original (FTWD), and since Rick, Carol & Morgan appeared in it... they now belong to FTWD. You know? Not belonging to Image Comics anymore. Go figure!
As for Blitzø - funny thing - the cast in general seem to hate the character. Merchandise talking about "blitzø kys" and shit. Stool's Ass gets a pass for some reason, I don't know know how much Brandon Rogers is enjoying being part of this circus however.

Stella must not meet Adam's fate. If they do that, then they are retarded and they'll waste the opportunity of a complex character who "we'll make evil just because lol - we ran out of ideas, really! Our endgame is to get a faggot and a bisexual together because... uh yeah."
 
Stella must not meet Adam's fate. If they do that, then they are retarded and they'll waste the opportunity of a complex character who "we'll make evil just because lol - we ran out of ideas, really! Our endgame is to get a faggot and a bisexual together because... uh yeah."
Nah Stella must be around, how else would Stolas' angst be milked so we can feel bad for him?
 
Nah Stella must be around, how else would Stolas' angst be milked so we can feel bad for him?
True. I can envision the ultimate scene: it would be Stacy-ella kicking him in the balls (literally or poetically), and Blitzo would have to trash himself in the most fucking retarded way possible, to the point where a homo like Brandon Rogers would say "Man, fuck this shit, this is so fucking GAY", where it would melt Stella's heart and probably allow... uh, Stolas to regain his power to Kamehameha her to oblivion and then the two marry are happy together forever... until fucking Noob Saibot and Scropion smash them both into oblivion, having cast their differences aside, having seen this terrible fucking show and seen that the Netherrealm would become too fucking gay if Stolas was in the command. (Sorry, couldn't resist);

I sometimes wonder how could the the assassination AND a romance could work. Perhaps I am thinking here: with over the years, Blitzo being a more ruthless killer akin to Niko Bellic from GTA IV, but being not too far gone compared to him, and Stolas being instead someone who is not married and would like to know more of his companion, being genuinely intruigued by something he has to offer: be it war stories, his life on earth (if he had one), his perspective on being a contract killer, why is he """rude""", etc. Over the months they develop a bond that you see it breaks barriers that would legitemately make women "wet", but also charmed by it. I'd think it's fucking stupid, as there would need to be a focus on his job.

So much one could put a crossroads: Stella, Striker and Crimson could instead be a bunch of people from Earth, imps and a motley crew in general who see this as a danger. A more efficient version of CHERUB or DHORKS who can put a hurt (like smash Loona's head and cave her head in with ease) and put Blitzo's life at stake: either he puts his profession at first, or his love first and then risk being assassinated alongside the man whom he loves. It makes him (Blitzo as well as Stolas) have to resort to rationality, not hysteria) on how will they get through this alive (I guess, lol), as Stella or Striker are much better assassins or something and Blitzo is competent but not that much. And they overstepped their boundaries, and they fucked up.

Now, I like to think this is an interesting plot? If anyone would like to chime in, feel free to.
 
Honestly, I kind of want Stella to die? Hear me out. She's been such a waste and terribly uninteresting villain in season 2, and the plans Viv has for her in season 3 don't fill me with any hope. I don't want a Beatrice Horseman backstory for Stella; I just want her current character to be expanded on. Just a conversation with her daughter, or anyone for that matter, that doesn't have to relate to how much she hates Stolas (I get it girl, I hate him too lmao).

I don't know why Viv thinks that when people ask for more depth on a certain character, that means we want a tragic backstory for them. Usually you want a good read on what your character is like in the present, and then you go into backstory territory for an explanation on why their personality is the way it is; what molded them to be the person they are today. Stella is a one-dimensional prop currently, so any sort of character you give to her in the past is just pointless.

Also, I just believe it's some sort of curse that when a character gets more screen time in Helluva Boss, the worst their character becomes. The longer they stay on screen, the more I hate them it seems.
 
Honestly, I kind of want Stella to die? Hear me out. She's been such a waste and terribly uninteresting villain in season 2, and the plans Viv has for her in season 3 don't fill me with any hope. I don't want a Beatrice Horseman backstory for Stella; I just want her current character to be expanded on. Just a conversation with her daughter, or anyone for that matter, that doesn't have to relate to how much she hates Stolas (I get it girl, I hate him too lmao).
Ah, the Chloe Bourgeois Effect, back with a vengeance I see. I don’t know if you watched a show called Miraculous, but there’s a similar character that was done dirty by the writers named Chloe. She’s basically the Stella of the show, and the creator fucking hates her with a passion. Why? No one knows for sure, some think she’s based on an old bully which makes sense, but that’s merely speculation. However, her writing got so bad and so cartoonishly evil for a civilian character, that many of her fans or ‘Stans’ (fucking hate that word with a passion) as some people called them, began to just hope she’d be put on a bus and sent off to part unknown. Thing is the creator decided to go Scorched Earth before he finally did so, devoting a good chunk of the fifth season shitting on a bratty 14 year old, and here’s the kicker, only to decide to bring her back next season.

Yeah, Stella would be better off gone, if only because she’s not that fun with how they’re handling her. And we’d be for it, because, that’s less painful than more episodes for the writers to shit on her. However, never underestimate how much damage someone can do if motivated enough while getting to that point. Yeah, it would be great if Stella just written out, but I assure you, there’s a great chance Viv will drag her down to a place below hell before she does so, because how dare people want something more out of her. And even she might bring her back. Because where will the drama come from if not Stella? we can’t have the fujo ship be too obviously the worst, that might make us have uncomfortable conversation.
I don't know why Viv thinks that when people ask for more depth on a certain character, that means we want a tragic backstory for them. Usually you want a good read on what your character is like in the present, and then you go into backstory territory for an explanation on why their personality is the way it is; what molded them to be the person they are today. Stella is a one-dimensional prop currently, so any sort of character you give to her in the past is just pointless.

I know they’ll do the daddy issues because I think everyone on that crew has them, and this is their therapy, which sucks, but her back story is super easy to write, you just need to have some form of plan and ask how you actually get to point B from point A: She was neglected as a kid as Andre was the favored and more talented child. This was not the tragedy that made Stella the Stella we know. Why? Her Mother/Father, tacitly mind you since they don’t give a shit, and even herself always kept that spark of hope alive that once she married Stolas, her life will be super loving and comforting, and she’s going to make sure her 50 children are all loved equally, and it’s just going to be great. (Have a caring butler try to temper her expectations because he’s been around the block, these rarely end happily).

Wedding day: Stella is super excited, Stolas is visibly checked out. Everything goes off without a hitch ceremony wise. Then comes the wedding night. Stella, like mentioned in Circus does all the work, because she has to, because Stolas refuses to put forth effort. Once he’s finished, that’s it for the night, he tells her that he can’t do it anymore for the night and rolls over once she’s off. She is left unsatisfied though. She tries to make conversation, thinking that he’s just nervous. When he finally turns over to ask her to let him sleep, she is destroyed.

He doesn’t look at his wife with affection or disdain, he instead looks at her with complete and utter indifference, before rolling away from her and going to sleep, because he’s Stolas. He doesn’t really care for her, so why should he try really? She’s not exciting or new, she’s just an obligation. Someone that he’s saddled with. Her hopes of a loving husband? Shattered. Her dreams of have 50 or even 3 children? Dashed. She knows once she lays the first egg that’s it. This was supposed to be the happiest day of her life, and it turns out that she’s not married to Stolas in the emotional sense that women crave, she’s stuck with him.

THIS is the tragedy that turns Stella into Stella. She learns that hopes are worthless and that you need to focus on reality. So, she takes the butlers advice and tempers her expectations to the point where no one disappoint her, only pleasantly surprise her. (This does not apply to Octavia)

It only gets worse, once she has to live with the guy. Why does she fucking hate Stolas? She’s married to Stolas, a being that runs on pure emotion and fancy. She hates him because of his impulsiveness, and the messes said flaw causes, that she needs to clean up in the background less this moron‘s actions hurt her, or worse, their daughter. Sure, when she was born, they were able to get over it for a time, but then Stolas as always, got bored. Parties? She’s the one that has to rub elbows and makes sure that their little family is still in good standing, while making sure Octavia can do the same, while Stolas is filling her head with hopes and dreams Stella knows ain’t happening, because they can’t happen, because things are expected from you, and if you refuse to carry them out, the family will destroy you, and that doesn’t always mean you die. She has to slave to make sure their Household and Offices and Legions are running Smoothly, while Stolas drowns in fantasy.

(She can come off as shrewd and stern with Octavia, but if you have them talk during the divorce, she can tell her that she’s just trying to make sure Octavia is ready for the future, because She’s a royal, she can’t do whatever she wants, she can’t love someone she wants to love, because if she tries, the family will do everything they can to make her afterlife a real Hell. Have STELLA be the one to reveal to Octavia why this is all happening and the nature of their marriage. Have her assure her that they’ve always loved her, even if they never loved each other, and DON’T have it be manipulation. Have this be the moment Octavia knows who the actual parent is, and who the man-child that never really grew up is.)

When BLitzo happens, and Stella knows that WHEN, not if, this gets bad, that’s it for Stolas, her and most importantly, Octavia. So what’s she to do? Stolas at this point is a rotting arm. it’s time to amputate. If he can’t get his shit together, his brains get blown out by Striker the only one willing to kill a royal, and she’ll deal with the aftermath as she always has. Octavia is upset her daddy dies? Well, she’s alive to be upset.

Hell, have her dress down Blitzo and CO if they figure out she called the hit. Because where do they get the leg to stand on? “I did call the hit. What’s your point? Suddenly assassination is bad, just because someone you sleep with is in the crosshairs? Tell me, if you never indulged my husband, and I offered you a hefty sum, how fast would you put a bullet in him?”

Then if you need a fun pure evil villain that’s fun, oh, look at that, Andre is right there! And you have two factions that fucking hate him now Stella and Blitzo’s group.

There I shat that out in 10 min, which is apparently longer than anyone else on the crew was willing to do when thinking this through, and it keeps everything from season 1 intact with Stella being pissed at Stolas’s cheating, to wanting him dead and buried. She’s still bitter, she’s hateful towards her husband, but now we know why, and she actually has a goal that makes sense. (God, I can only imagine how the circus scene would have went with this set up. Then again anything would have been better than what we got)
Also, I just believe it's some sort of curse that when a character gets more screen time in Helluva Boss, the worst their character becomes. The longer they stay on screen, the more I hate them it seems.

I feel your pain beyond belief, but that’s what happens when people that can’t write are given no pushback. I was originally exited to hear that Verosika was coming back, because despite the bitchy attitude, I thought she had some potential as a character and I wanted to know more about her and Blitzo’s relationship. Then I saw her on stage with Stolas and thought ‘Fuck me’ Because that wasn’t a recipe for disaster. Then I watched Apology Tour. I both love (very, very select parts mind you) and despise that episode.

How the fuck did no-one read the script and say to anyone else: ‘This Party Concept is fucking stupid, inadvertently makes every character un-fucking-bearable, and more importantly, dilutes any message we are trying to get across, because WTF is this idea? They could have gotten a group of small intimate characters he can apologize to after his fight with Stolas, but that’s Not possible since they solved Fizz in afternoon and it’s too soon to use Barb again I guess.

So, why not just give us the backstory of Blitzo and Verosika? Keep the Stolas shit at the start minus the party, because fuck the party, I cannot state that enough. You can have a montage of half assed apologies to his various murder victims, the cherubs and DHORKS, and then have him see something that reminds him of Verosika. He doesn’t initially want to apologize to her, but then remembers his fight with Stolas and says fuck it I’ll do it anyway, because fuck him.

Episode is then: Present day journey to Lust so he can apologize to her, wondering what he‘s even apologizing for. This is interwoven with Flashbacks to how they met, how they became a couple, how the relationship was, either their first kiss or night they took the picture that he has on his phone, and then the inevitable heartbreak.

This ends with an actual sincere apology, and maybe a twinge of regret in his voice for throwing what they had away, and not the half assed one that we got. From there he could realize that not only that he needs to be better with his interpersonal relationships, and not actively sabotage them, but also, he really does owe Stolas jack in terms of apologies.

You could still, and should IMO, keep the back story of ‘good relationship, she tells him she loves him, and then he fucks her over very willingly. for doing so’ Thus, giving context to his Verosika hallucination everyone fucking ignores from Truth Seekers because Stolas would be painted in a very bad light if we pay attention to that.

Oh look at that, I shat that out in 5 minutes!

I apologize for the wall of text.
 
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here we go again with the autistic Farmers coming up with infinitely better stories than the woman who actually gets paid to write them.
Mildly autistic Farmers. lol.

Part of me can’t blame her 100%, it’s easy for us to see the concept and product and then go about re—arranging the bricks into something more satisfying, but the fact that current HB is the final product? I have to imagine that they either have no editors in the room or no one is giving anyone pushback on anything. It’s just ‘let’s do X!’ and responses are just ‘Yes’. And then the insanity of Fandoms don’t help either, because they eat this shit up regardless of if it’s actually good.

I do wonder if it will end up like Star VS, Steven Universe, and other similar shows where once the dust settles, and it’s over people then think ‘wait, what the fuck, this was awful’.

Still, I’m glad you thought my tangents were good. I mean, sure, that bar I had to jump over is six feet underground, but it’s a nice little boost in confidence.
 
They could have gotten a group of small intimate characters he can apologize to after his fight with Stolas, but that’s Not possible since they solved Fizz in afternoon and it’s too soon to use Barb again I guess.
Oh right, they still have that character from Blitzo's past. What we know so far is that Blitzo started a fire that crippled Fizz and apparently killed his and Barb's mom, which I'm guessing led to her drug addiction. What sort of bad writing will be presented in an attempt to have the audience sympathize with Blitzo?
 
Oh right, they still have that character from Blitzo's past. What we know so far is that Blitzo started a fire that crippled Fizz and apparently killed his and Barb's mom, which I'm guessing led to her drug addiction. What sort of bad writing will be presented in an attempt to have the audience sympathize with Blitzo?
The sympathy comes from the fact that the fire was an accident
 
Oh right, they still have that character from Blitzo's past. What we know so far is that Blitzo started a fire that crippled Fizz and apparently killed his and Barb's mom, which I'm guessing led to her drug addiction. What sort of bad writing will be presented in an attempt to have the audience sympathize with Blitzo?
I don‘t know. She’ll be unreasonable for not forgiving him because it was an accident and then he’ll act super pathetic and then Stolas or maybe Loona will put that ‘bitch’ in her place for hating her brother destroying their home and killing their mother. (Here’s a fun game to play: Is this me emulating Viv, or a shitty fanfic I’ve read once?)

If they could do the courageous thing, they may just have him take accountability, and accept that even though it was an accident, there’s no forgiving what happened, and that if Barb doesn’t forgive him and wants nothing to do with him, that’s her right to do so. Have it be the Anti-Herb and Bojack, where Bojack accepts Herb’s choice and moves on. Blitzo can still be hurt, maybe even shed a few tears, but he mentally reminds himself that he fucked up and Barb is not the bad guy in this. This may get him sympathy, but somewhat mitigated.

If they really wanted to get wild, maybe show Barb in a serious, happy relationship, and getting her life together before the apology, so there’s no fans that can say, “*Scoff* Her loss. Looks like she’ll be alone in her misery while Blitzo gets Stolas. If only she was more forgiving.”
 
I don‘t know. She’ll be unreasonable for not forgiving him because it was an accident and then he’ll act super pathetic and then Stolas or maybe Loona will put that ‘bitch’ in her place for hating her brother destroying their home and killing their mother. (Here’s a fun game to play: Is this me emulating Viv, or a shitty fanfic I’ve read once?)

If they could do the courageous thing, they may just have him take accountability, and accept that even though it was an accident, there’s no forgiving what happened, and that if Barb doesn’t forgive him and wants nothing to do with him, that’s her right to do so. Have it be the Anti-Herb and Bojack, where Bojack accepts Herb’s choice and moves on. Blitzo can still be hurt, maybe even shed a few tears, but he mentally reminds himself that he fucked up and Barb is not the bad guy in this. This may get him sympathy, but somewhat mitigated.

If they really wanted to get wild, maybe show Barb in a serious, happy relationship, and getting her life together before the apology, so there’s no fans that can say, “*Scoff* Her loss. Looks like she’ll be alone in her misery while Blitzo gets Stolas. If only she was more forgiving.”
It will probably be explained as just one big misunderstanding. Kind of like with Fizzaroli and Blitzø, where each one was told that the other one didn't want to see them even though that wasn't true.

It's funny you mention Barb getting a relationship, because that was a huge theory going around when teasers of Unhappy Campers were coming out. People thought that because she was protecting that one guy from being killed by Moxxie, she had been living her life disguised as a human on Earth and that was her boyfriend.
 
It will probably be explained as just one big misunderstanding. Kind of like with Fizzaroli and Blitzø, where each one was told that the other one didn't want to see them even though that wasn't true.
That was such a huge fucking cop out, and would be a huge fucking cop out if done again. The worst part is you’ll probably be right and that’s avenue they’ll go down, if not something similar.
 
@FK009 good writeup. Honestly pretty nice alternative, and a tragic backstory for her. Stolas just keeps going "woe is me, my life is hard, give me a fucking break, I just want to have sex with MEN!!!". I don't know much else of the AussieOzzie cast so forgive me, I'm just guessing that they made stuff to Blitzo be an ass to everyone. Martha and Mayberry be the "local lesbians just because", and whatever. Yet, tell me - for those who watched the show - is it true that characters seem shallow? Lack of backstory etc. That should be corrected. I know Millie is called a "non character" even if she's one of the main cast, and honestly this is just bad writing. You don't do that.

If you gave her a "Smalljon" Umber treatment (meaning, she exists just to die) I could accept that. Make Moxxie become a fucking beast, not literally, but somewhat more hardened in his own way. Much like how Greatjon Umber lost his son and is a captive of House Frey after the Red Wedding. (and the coat of arms of House Umber in ASOIAF is a giant breaking chains, which foreshadows his potential escape).

I will never forgive the party episode, especially the closing moment of the shitting of Blitzo. The "Better than Blitzo Guy". What a fucking shitbag. I'll dance with you! Let's kiss! Fuck you both!

I never watched it, it seems like an interesting cartoon, at first glance. Someone did an essay about the character on how she could be redeemed (also I like her design, she reminds me of Pacifica Northwest):
 
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I will never forgive the party episode, especially the closing moment of the shitting of Blitzo. The "Better than Blitzo Guy". What a fucking shitbag. I'll dance with you! Let's kiss! Fuck you both!
I understand where you’re coming from on that one, but BTB Guy is somehow the least controversial part of the episode for me, mostly because I think it’s in character for Stolas to go for him. I know he’ll likely be evil, because of course he will we can‘t have roadblocks in the way of the endgame, but wouldn’t Stolas go for someone “Better than Blitzo” if he could? Look how fast he was to jump into bed with Blitzo. Then the guy brings the home wrecker to an outing with his daughter and neglects her to live a princess fantasy where he’s rescued by his knight in shining armor from danger, his words not mine, and after Stolas hears that Octavia hates this and he apologizes, he then goes on to neglect finding her to instead join Blitzo at a film studio, and leaves it to a hellhound he doesn’t know. Why wouldn’t he jump at someone new that caught his fancy? That was very in character for him IMO.

Funnily enough, I just ignore nearly everything except the montage and Blitzo talking with Verosika, minus the backdrop and everything involving Stolas, and the quality gets much better.

I never watched it, it seems like an interesting cartoon, at first glance. Someone did an essay about the character on how she could be redeemed (also I like her design, she reminds me of Pacifica Northwest):
Take it from someone that kept up with it since season 1, season 1-3 is respectively Okay, gets good, keeps at it until the season 3 finale, and then it nosedives. into the ground. If you thought HB’s writing was bad, Oh boy, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
 
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