Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[GoodWinSon]

Hazbin Hotel is bland and inoffensive to me. Could it have been better? Yes. But I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Hellava Boss on the other hand makes me wish Lavrenti Beria was still alive. It is far and away outclassed by every Brit sitcom I've ever seen.

Spoiler: Examples

Upstart Crow

Allo Allo

Black Adder

Father Ted

MR BEAN

These shows have characters and stories far funnier than anything Madrono has put out. Plus, I don't think any of these serials burned through 400 animators or needed massive merch runs and ebegging streams in order to make it to market.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Some late news but the two lead animators for the Helluva Boss shorts were fired:

No one is sure why they were let go, but a lot of people are theorizing that it's because there's not going to be anymore HB shorts. The shorts don't get as many views as the episodes themselves, so they figured it's a waste of money to continue them.

 

[nevertosubmit88]

Some late news but the two lead animators for the Helluva Boss shorts were fired:
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No one is sure why they were let go, but a lot of people are theorizing that it's because there's not going to be anymore HB shorts. The shorts don't get as many views as the episodes themselves, so they figured it's a waste of money to continue them.

That would fucking suck if the shorts ended even though they weren't anything to write home about, at least it was a nice change of pace from the fujoshi cringe.

 

[The Nothingness]

Gonna make a spoiler for dumping memes/images, while it's fun, it can be annoying for people who want to chat.

Spoiler: Meme dump

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Now I want to see an AI-generated video of Lucifer acting like Omni-Man in that scene.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Now I want to see an AI-generated video of Lucifer acting like Omni-Man in that scene.

"WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS?! YOU'RE FIGHTING SO YOU CAN SEE EVERYONE AROUND YOU LEAVE!! THINK, CHARLIE! YOU'LL OUTLAST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE FRAGILE INSIGNIFICANT SINNERS! YOU'LL LIVE TO SEE EVERYONE AT THE HOTEL ABANDON YOU TO ASCEND TO HEAVEN! EVERY FRIEND YOU HAVE WILL BE GONE! WHAT WILL YOU HAVE IN A HUNDRED YEARS?!"

Spoiler: Adam and Lute art tax

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Loving the Chaddam and Lute "spam". Lute in Portuguese means "fight" - if the creators were smart, Lute would fight until the death and put hellspawn in their place.

Hazbin Hotel is bland and inoffensive to me. Could it have been better? Yes. But I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Hellava Boss on the other hand makes me wish Lavrenti Beria was still alive. It is far and away outclassed by every Brit sitcom I've ever seen.

Spoiler: Examples

Upstart Crow
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Allo Allo
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Black Adder
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Father Ted
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MR BEAN
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These shows have characters and stories far funnier than anything Madrono has put out. Plus, I don't think any of these serials burned through 400 animators or needed massive merch runs and ebegging streams in order to make it to market.

Ah, I love British humour. Feck off with that shite, will ye. Father Ted is fondly remembered in Ireland even nowadays.

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What??? I assume it's at school? Probably not univershitty, since these have "safe spaces". The "bullies" did a favour to you, kid, believe me.

 

[Stumbling7]

Off topic: Wish Mammon was voiced by a Jew, white this song is playing.
But knowing Viv that's to risky and offensive.

Spoiler: Meme dump3

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Off topic: Wish Mammon was voiced by a Jew, white this song is playing.
But knowing Viv that's to risky and offensive.
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Spoiler: Meme dump3

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Chaddam, Lute and the DOOM SLAYER. Episode 1 & EPISODE FINALE, THE DEMONS PERISH. lolz.

If Vivianne had any tits, she would do a "dark lord"-esque thing and a treason ring - where you'd see a true hell. The overlords of Pride, Gluttony, Lust and whatever fuck all would fear him.

 

[Echo_Doge]

No one is sure why they were let go, but a lot of people are theorizing that it's because there's not going to be anymore HB shorts. The shorts don't get as many views as the episodes themselves, so they figured it's a waste of money to continue them.

If she ever gets a stupid musical show like she seems desperate for, she'd probably drop the animated shows entirely. She seems to not give a shit at best and actively hates half of her fans at worst.

 

[Guysho]

Hezbollah Boss for the Sega Genocide.

I had to get that off my chest.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Hellava Boss on the other hand makes me wish Lavrenti Beria was still alive. It is far and away outclassed by every Brit sitcom I've ever seen.

Spoiler: Examples

Upstart Crow
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Allo Allo
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Black Adder
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Father Ted
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MR BEAN
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fuuuuuck now that I think of it, the basic premise of Helluva would be perfect for a 'Blackadder the Third' type of story:
– Instead of being a hitman, Blitzo acts as a butler to the idiotic noble Stolas, and is constantly stuck balancing between managing his underlings, his own scheming to climb Hell's political ladder, and attending to Stolas' whims & keeping him from getting killed by either his rivals or Stolas' own incompetence.
– You can even keep Stella as a one-dimensional villain – her sheer depravity itself can be the subject of jokes (Blackadder itself does this with the Baby-Eating Bishop in Series 2).
– Fizzarolli and Verosika are kept as they are, but the former never forgives Blitzo, and they both act as an endless source of troubles for him.
- For that matter, Fizz' connections to both Asmodeus and Mammon can probably be crossed out, since they serve no integral purpose to the story; the Sins themselves being relegated to mostly background characters.

Spoiler: Adam and Lute art tax (plus a meme)

 

[Doctor of Autism]

If she ever gets a stupid musical show like she seems desperate for, she'd probably drop the animated shows entirely. She seems to not give a shit at best and actively hates half of her fans at worst.

I mean isn't Hazbin Hotel already that? Plus I have to give Viv a little credit, she does have at least some genuine love for animation and even from the cynical business perspective, it would be a bad look for her to drop animation given her branding as the "Indie show that broke into the mainstream".

 

[Stumbling7]

Spoiler: Lute Fanart Edition

 

[InJailOutSoon]

If she ever gets a stupid musical show like she seems desperate for, she'd probably drop the animated shows entirely. She seems to not give a shit at best and actively hates half of her fans at worst.

I mean isn't Hazbin Hotel already that? Plus I have to give Viv a little credit, she does have at least some genuine love for animation and even from the cynical business perspective, it would be a bad look for her to drop animation given her branding as the "Indie show that broke into the mainstream".

I don't think Viv would ever drop animation, even if she was offered to run her own Broadway show live. She had too much passion for the medium.

 

[GoodWinSon]

fuuuuuck now that I think of it, the basic premise of Helluva would be perfect for a 'Blackadder the Third' type of story:
– Instead of being a hitman, Blitzo acts as a butler to the idiotic noble Stolas, and is constantly stuck balancing between managing his underlings, his own scheming to climb Hell's political ladder, and attending to Stolas' whims & keeping him from getting killed by either his rivals or Stolas' own incompetence.
– You can even keep Stella as a one-dimensional villain – her sheer depravity itself can be the subject of jokes (Blackadder itself does this with the Baby-Eating Bishop in Series 2).
– Fizzarolli and Verosika are kept as they are, but the former never forgives Blitzo, and they both act as an endless source of troubles for him.
- For that matter, Fizz' connections to both Asmodeus and Mammon can probably be crossed out, since they serve no integral purpose to the story; the Sins themselves being relegated to mostly background characters.

Not a sitcom, but I think Asterix and Obelix has a good story structure to go off of. How can you have a setting set in Hell and not have exaggerated caricatures of historical figures?

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Not a sitcom, but I think Asterix and Obelix has a good story structure to go off of. How can you have a setting set in Hell and not have exaggerated caricatures of historical figures?

Because Vivzie is too much of a pussy to portray Hitler and Stalin outside of a mention for a joke.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Moxie: "For the last time - How do you know Hitler?"
Blitzo: "Oh me and him go bowling with Goering on Tuesdays"
Moxie: "With Goering? ...Last I heard he weighed over a ton"
Blitzo: "Yeah I know, makes it hard to miss the pins"

Give me the screenwriting job Viv. First script is on me.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

I think what really gets me about Hazbin now is that it's the defacto "Emperor has no clothes" moment in animation. After people grew so tired of the Cal-arts art style, Vivzie and her supporters were hyping this up as the next big step in animation. "An indie animated pilot that's fully complete? Already has a built-in fanbase? It got picked up? Looks we have our next "Simpsons", "South Park", or even "Steven Universe.""

The show is ultimately the culmination of the lengths the Tumblr generation is willing to go to recreate Steven Universe/Jailbreak. You want to push the envelope so far, that you're willing to literally set a show in Hell and be all like "See? Demons aren't actually evil, it's those bigoted angels who are mean and misunderstanding!" And what does Vivzie ultimately have to show for it? Barely anything, really.

The actual formula/solution for being "edgy" in [current year] is, dare I say it, right in front of you, but no one is willing to muster up the courage to go through with it.

 

[Stumbling7]

Spoiler: Meme dump5

 

[FK009]

You want to push the envelope so far, that you're willing to literally set a show in Hell and be all like "See? Demons aren't actually evil, it's those bigoted angels who are mean and misunderstanding!"

Considering it was 2019 when the pilot came out, was that concept even pushing the envelope at all? Last I heard, she already had an Anti-Christ figure in that Zoophobia comic of hers, and he was a good guy, though I don’t have enough knowledge to say for sure, but it does prove that so it’s not like this was the first time she used the Anti-Christ.

Thinking about it more broadly, how many anime's had the Church expy be corrupt? How many pieces of media showed heaven being so unreasonable with their commandments, or if not that, it’s the ‘bigots’ that are misreading the bible and the commandments to spread their hate and the churches just despise the gays. (Never mind the consequences we are reaping currently with throwing those commandments out for the three Commandments of the LGBT Cult: Thou Shalt Celebrate what I do in the bedroom, Thou Shalt Show Children things that will confuse them, and the thing that will be the next lobotomy ‘How could anyone have supported this’ question, Thou Shalt allow people and children to cut off their own dicks or mutilate their bodies for a delusion)

Hell, South Park turned Satan into a Disney Princess in their movie in 1999. They turned him into Ariel with his goals, complete with a banger of a song. Hell, the Golden Compass asshole killed God, and though I don’t recall the movie’s name, there was a film where St. Michael rebels against God, and in the end, ends up being in the right for doing so.

My question is, when is the last time we had something where the Angels and Heaven in general were just the good-guys in a non-subversive way?

The actual formula/solution for being "edgy" in [current year] is, dare I say it, right in front of you, but no one is willing to muster up the courage to go through with it.

Please explain for those of us in the back, I’m curious. The only way that I can think of a solution is classical heroism and rising to the occasion, humility in admitting faults and then rising above those flaws, and then a nice straight romance rooted in traditional gender-roles