Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Stumbling7]

I still can’t get over how fucking ugly and cluttered that design is.

And I still don't get why it couldn't be more, you know, BEE like design?
If you want a sexy bitch? Just make it similar to Beelzebub from Helltaker that can transform in to a monster.

Here's also some re-designs from google, their aren't the best, tho it doesn't help the art style of the show being limited.

Spoiler: Queen Bee re-designs

And also

Spoiler: Meme dump 23

 

[ssaneenah]

I still don't get why it couldn't be more, you know, BEE like design?

Because the majority of Vivziepop stans don’t want to fuck a bee.

 

[south border guy]

Because the majority of Vivziepop stans don’t want to fuck a bee.

I thought it was hip to fuck bees.

 

[ssaneenah]

I thought it was hip to fuck bees.

Viv would disagree and gladly call you out on that to prove that the scene never died.

 

[didelphigina]

I just noticed something now that you bring that up, nearly all of the major male Sinners we see are clearly based off animals in some way, but just about all of the female ones are pretty damn Human looking in comparison, yeah Niffty is apparently based off a cockroach or bugs in general but that's not apparent at all in her design, the only female Sinner I can think of that's clearly animalistic is that dinosaur Overlord that's in a single scene and maybe gets a single line.

Zeezi is who you're talking about. I doubt she'll get a speaking role in the second season. Probably will say some quip and that's it.

There's no information about her whatsoever other than she's an overlord and most likely resembles a velociraptor. Anything else you see about her, it's all headcanons/interpretations.

And I still don't get why it couldn't be more, you know, BEE like design?

Because her being a bee wouldn't make her fans drool a tidal wave. She has to be a recognizable canine gal. Hurts the bug lover in me. We could've gotten an interesting or potentially unique take on Beezlebub. But nope, we got a generic canine woman with bee parts stapled onto her. Great.

 

[Tablet County]

Zeezi is who you're talking about. I doubt she'll get a speaking role in the second season. Probably will say some quip and that's it.

There's no information about her whatsoever other than she's an overlord. Anything else you see about her, it's all headcanons/interpretations.

To be fair, I believe that's a demon from the deepest pits of Hell.

 

[King Metalia]

Zeezi is who you're talking about. I doubt she'll get a speaking role in the second season. Probably will say some quip and that's it.

There's no information about her whatsoever other than she's an overlord and most likely resembles a velociraptor. Anything else you see about her, it's all headcanons/interpretations.

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Because her being a bee wouldn't make her fans drool a tidal wave. She has to be a recognizable canine gal. Hurts the bug lover in me. We could've gotten an interesting or potentially unique take on Beezlebub. But nope, we got a generic canine woman with bee parts stapled onto her. Great.

She looks like something JC The Hyena would draw. I wonder how long until we get Hazbin Hotel creepypastas anyway?

 

[The tired cat]

Here's also some re-designs from google, their aren't the best, tho it doesn't help the art style of the show being limited.

I think the issue falls, from what I can muster up, is going with a "Bee design" is just hitting that generic norm, one would expect when talking about Beelzebub. Wont lie the fan redisigns do have a cuteness factor in it, but at the same it kinda gives that "Well, I know what to expect", my 2nd guess is cause of the lore how Hellhounds are associated with her, hence why she looks more doggo type.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

There was one Bee design I did like that incorporated the fox/canine and bee look pretty well. She was also a fat bitch but I’ll let that slide because hey, representation of gluttony. I’ll have to find it again.
Apparently Vivzie said that’s she’s supposed to represent an animal tamer in a circus, and honestly, I don’t see that. I also remember some patreon exclusive trivia mentioned that her lava lamp stomach instantly burns up anything she eats. Cool concept, but executed horribly if you ask me.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I also remember some patreon exclusive trivia mentioned that her lava lamp stomach instantly burns up anything she eats. Cool concept, but executed horribly if you ask me.

That's honestly a fantastic concept for something that represents Gluttony, give her an insanely high metabolism so despite being a Viv stick character she's just about always eating something since even just an hour without it equals death by starvation. Would be nice if these cool details were presented in the actual show instead of being useless trivia, or maybe I just read too much into it.

 

[The tired cat]

If theres one thing that bugs me with the sin, well ones we've seen so far, is that they barely repressent their sins (save for Mammon but I'll get to his ass in a moment). Like Lucifer at no point repressents Pride, Ozzie doesnt really sell lust and talks about loving/respected relationships (I also question why he lets Verosika corrupt mortal souls in the human world, since what benefit they get from all this), Bee is a sweet party gal who even worries about guests going overboard (even though by logic her guests should be stuffed to point of exploding), we know jack shit about Leviathin (hell we dont know that even if hes alive or not and I also have questions for that fish guy from the last episode and how he supposed to repressent Envy). So far only Mammon sells his sin of Greed and with him its such cringe "Muh evul capitalism" said by the chick who makes HOW much money of merch sales alone?

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

If theres one thing that bugs me with the sin, well ones we've seen so far, is that they barely repressent their sins (save for Mammon but I'll get to his ass in a moment). Like Lucifer at no point repressents Pride, Ozzie doesnt really sell lust and talks about loving/respected relationships (I also question why he lets Verosika corrupt mortal souls in the human world, since what benefit they get from all this), Bee is a sweet party gal who even worries about guests going overboard (even though by logic her guests should be stuffed to point of exploding), we know jack shit about Leviathin (hell we dont know that even if hes alive or not and I also have questions for that fish guy from the last episode and how he supposed to repressent Envy). So far only Mammon sells his sin of Greed and with him its such cringe "Muh evul capitalism" said by the chick who makes HOW much money of merch sales alone?

It’s been years since I’ve listened to House of Asmodeus, but back then I thought it conveyed lust pretty well. You know, until they put him and Fizz into a wholesome monogamous relationship that’s basically the typical yaoi trope of “big strong top and oh so sweet bottom”. Hell, I fell off of Helluva Boss pretty quickly, and even then I can tell they just completely cut off Fizz’s balls.

 

[The tired cat]

It’s been years since I’ve listened to House of Asmodeus, but back then I thought it conveyed lust pretty well. You know, until they put him and Fizz into a wholesome monogamous relationship that’s basically the typical yaoi trope of “big strong top and oh so sweet bottom”. Hell, I fell off of Helluva Boss pretty quickly, and even then I can tell they just completely cut off Fizz’s balls.

Most ironic thing, Fizz and Ozzie is the most well written gay couple in HB, compared to the dumpster fire that is Stolitz.

 

[didelphigina]

Most ironic thing, Fizz and Ozzie is the most well written gay couple in HB, compared to the dumpster fire that is Stolitz.

By well written, you mean being usual fujo bait but not done in a way that gives you a literal migraine. At least you can look at it and see their relationship compared to whatever gaslighting technique Stolas successfully lobotomized onto Blitzo's brain.

 

[The tired cat]

By well written, you mean being usual fujo bait but not done in a way that gives you a literal migraine. At least you can look at it and see their relationship compared to whatever gaslighting technique Stolas successfully lobotomized onto Blitzo's brain.

The technique is usually called "character reboot" when its clear how S1 Stolas isnt the same character as S2 Stolas.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Spoiler: potentially nsfw

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

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I could write a preamble for a Playbill of my own and have it say "The animation world is severely lacking in straight white male's voices" and it would somehow hold more weight than anything Viv's said here.

That aside, I can at least understand where Viv is coming from when it comes to making something authentically "her." It's just that when the Hazbin pilot came out 5 years ago, I thought to myself, "Viv, I know you want to make something unapologetically 'you', but if this is what's going to define the next decade of animation, I dunno if 'you' are what the zeitgeist truly needs right now. If your show is a success, everyone's gonna innevitably want to imitate 'you', and eventually I'm gonna see 'you' everywhere. In comment sections, on social media, in nearly every major animated show, in profile pictures, video essays, memes, crossover fanart, possibly even in real life. People are gonna love and respect 'you' and what you made, but at the same time...

I shutter at the mere thought of 'you' taking over the world."

>Women voices
Okay, that's reasonable, yet I think we are reaching that balance and-
>>>>queer voices

If the Hazbin/Helluva happens, how will the power levels be explained? I'm assuming Overlords are not stronger than the Deadly Sins or the Ars Goetia. What happens if say the Vees push around Blitzo and Fizzarolli? Would they have to answer to Stolas and Asmondeus and be humbled?

So that is what Viv meant by "female focused."

I refuse to believe a faggot Arse Geisha like Stool's Ass is powerful like that, even as a black m(ass). Lucifer is the King of Hell. So... what is Stolas, then? Just a fucking asshole beneath him? Also, why is Helluva Boss about classicism?

Zeezi is who you're talking about. I doubt she'll get a speaking role in the second season. Probably will say some quip and that's it.

There's no information about her whatsoever other than she's an overlord and most likely resembles a velociraptor. Anything else you see about her, it's all headcanons/interpretations.

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Because her being a bee wouldn't make her fans drool a tidal wave. She has to be a recognizable canine gal. Hurts the bug lover in me. We could've gotten an interesting or potentially unique take on Beezlebub. But nope, we got a generic canine woman with bee parts stapled onto her. Great.

Zeezi looks like a DJ/character from Retard, I mean, Renard. Also this picture leads to believe this character was from Zoophobia.

Spoiler: potentially nsfw

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Thank you.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Most ironic thing, Fizz and Ozzie is the most well written gay couple in HB, compared to the dumpster fire that is Stolitz.

They're better written, but watching their scenes gave me intense homophobic thoughts.

 

[The tired cat]

I refuse to believe a faggot Arse Geisha like Stool's Ass is powerful like that, even as a black m(ass). Lucifer is the King of Hell. So... what is Stolas, then? Just a fucking asshole beneath him? Also, why is Helluva Boss about classicism?

I.always got an impression like the birds are under the 7 sins and Lucifer, while the Overlords are maybe kinda above or under the birds?

 

[Wulfering]

I.always got an impression like the birds are under the 7 sins and Lucifer, while the Overlords are maybe kinda above or under the birds?

Viv made a chart or something, and in there she explain that the order of power goes imp/hellhound < sinners < overlords < ars goetia < 7 sins < Charlie < Lilith < Lucifer