Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

It's in the same way she treats Andre and Mammon as goofy funny villains who are still cool compared to like Valentino and Stella who harm and hurt the gay boys.

Eh, I'd argue that Viv also treats Valentino as a goofy villain at times. She really seems to dig the relationship of Vox and Val as this odd power couple, and even gives Val some surprising human traits like how he gave Fat Nuggets (Angel Dust's pet pig) as a present to Angel Dust, and that he enjoys painting. Meanwhile, Stella is just a one-note hate sink that only exists for the audience to feel sorry for Stolas.

Now, you may wonder, why is that? Compared to Valentino, Stella is obviously the much better person. Is it because she's a woman? Well...yes. Valentino also has another thing going for him as he is some form of gay, so you can get with all the fujo-shippers. While Stella is actively getting in the way of a fujo-ship, which makes her even worse than just being a female.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Eh, I'd argue that Viv also treats Valentino as a goofy villain at times. She really seems to dig the relationship of Vox and Val as this odd power couple, and even gives Val some surprising human traits like how he gave Fat Nuggets (Angel Dust's pet pig) as a present to Angel Dust, and that he enjoys painting. Meanwhile, Stella is just a one-note hate sink that only exists for the audience to feel sorry for Stolas.

Now, you may wonder, why is that? Compared to Valentino, Stella is obviously the much better person. Is it because she's a woman? Well...yes. Valentino also has another thing going for him as he is some form of gay, so you can get with all the fujo-shippers. While Stella is actively getting in the way of a fujo-ship, which makes her even worse than just being a female.

I mean Stella also acts pretty goofy when she is treated like an absolute moron just like Val and while Val does have the fujo stuff with Vox, he does have more moments where he is treating Angel Dust like shit and causing angst for another ship (HuskerDust).

Either way it shows that Viv really needs to not make every bad guy a goofy character, like it is funny that the most intimidating villain in both her shows is John Waters

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Didn't Stella's or Octavia's VA make a post way back that Stella is actually a decent mom to Octavia? I remember seeing that.

 

[The tired cat]

Vox has an autistic obsession with Alastor despite the fact that he has been shown to be nothing but a fraud and any other overlord worth a damn just ignores him. The only real reason why Vox would give him any time of his day is because Viv wanted his shipping bait.

I cannot help but get the feeling that the stuff with Vox was like a carry on from the older scripts/ideas, where Alastor was actually perceived as a huge threat to Vox. But, since old Alastor stuff got tossed into the bin and we got poser boy here, it really does feel jarring and doesn't really connect.

 

[Stumbling7]

Didn't Stella's or Octavia's VA make a post way back that Stella is actually a decent mom to Octavia? I remember seeing that.

Even if it's true, I'm not a fan of VA's stating what's canon while the series doesn't show it, this happened in Volume 7 of RWBY, when the Tranny VA mention how the character "she" voiced was also a tranny, but if you watched volume 7 you won't know that fact.

 

[Sonya-chan]

I don't even get why. Valentino in the show states that Vox is still pissed because Alastor ALMOST beats him. Dude literally doesn't best ANYONE in this show, hes an absolute joke.

Because it's ship baiting, "Vox is obsessed with Alastor because he's secretly in love with him uwu"

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I'm still of the opinion that instead of Vees being the main antagonists of S2, it should have instead been Overlords in general, even if the Vees were the main focus of them, and I'll share some ideas regarding how and why this would happen.

Two world shattering events terrify every Overlord as soon as word reaches Hell, Sir Pentious being redeemed and the announcement that the exterminations will cease. The reason this causes Overlords so much worry is that A.) This will inevitably drastically increase the popularity of the Hotel, potentially giving people whose souls are owned by Overlords a way out of their contracts, and B.) The exterminations are actually a boon to Overlords, because it was the biggest reason people end up selling their souls to Overlords in the first place, since it would provide the promise of shelter and small degree of protection during an Extermination since being caught outside during one is a total death sentence.

Even someone like Carmillia is displeased at the exterminations ending, since she gave a massive amount of her stockpile to the Hotel for the battle, and most of that stockpile ended up either destroyed or on the streets outside of her control, and with now her source of supply is threatened to be permenantly cutoff.

One of the major themes with Hazbin is that Hell is other people and the Overlords would be shown to be the poster child of this issue, because being an Overlord and having even basic morals except for pragmatic reasons goes together like oil and water, in Overlord politics you either leave your empathy and morality behind or you inevitably have those morals and empathy used against you within a couple years and end up dead.

It would also work as a curveball to the audience, we're led to believe we can trust Carmillia and by extension Zestial in S1, but when their power and status is at all threatened they prove just as deprived as the Vees are portrayed and eagerly join a plot against the Hotel.

 

[Po's Cootah]

I don't know anything about Hazbin Hotel because I never watched it, but the moment I saw some scenes... Holy shit, those people who made the "written by VivziePop" memes were not exaggerating. It really is a 1:1 demonstration.

 

[AnOminous]

I feel like we're all forgetting the best part: This one is SUPPOSED to be a Vivzie self-insert and she still uses it as an icon. That's a lot more damning than all the others.

I always found it funny she chose this character, an absolute asshole bureaucratic fuck, as a pfp.

 

[ssaneenah]

I always found it funny she chose this character, an absolute asshole bureaucratic fuck, as a pfp.

I think all of the characters Viv has voiced in the show will fit as her pfp - they’re all either fat, arrogant, or reek of furry cringe.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Even someone like Carmillia is displeased at the exterminations ending, since she gave a massive amount of her stockpile to the Hotel for the battle, and most of that stockpile ended up either destroyed or on the streets outside of her control, and with now her source of supply is threatened to be permenantly cutoff.

Carmilla and her business really bothers me for world building. In the Overlord meeting, she expresses concern about the population going down much more this past extermination. But at the same time, she sells angelic weapons to the people of Hell.

 

[King Metalia]

I always found it funny she chose this character, an absolute asshole bureaucratic fuck, as a pfp.

I've been questioning her PFP choice for years. Wouldn't one of her many male gay twink demons be more appropriate?

I think all of the characters Viv has voiced in the show will fit as her pfp - they’re all either fat, arrogant, or reek of furry cringe.

There are people who would gladly have sex with Viv if she asked them. Just look at her fanatics on Twitter and Tumblr.

 

[Catboi]

I've been questioning her PFP choice for years. Wouldn't one of her many male gay twink demons be more appropriate?

Her icon was Angel Dust for years until she voiced the smug deer cherub and made it her self insert

 

[ssaneenah]

There are people who would gladly have sex with Viv if she asked them. Just look at her fanatics on Twitter and Tumblr.

Glancing through her Bluesky reposts was more than enough, thank you very much.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I mean Stella also acts pretty goofy when she is treated like an absolute moron just like Val and while Val does have the fujo stuff with Vox, he does have more moments where he is treating Angel Dust like shit and causing angst for another ship (HuskerDust).

Either way it shows that Viv really needs to not make every bad guy a goofy character, like it is funny that the most intimidating villain in both her shows is John Waters

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LoL I didn't know one of Brandon Rogers' exes were in the show. I'm sure he looks as lovable as he is on the inside.

Kidding aside, I have no idea who is John Waters, probably Roger Waters' cousin or some shit. Is he an unhinged fucktard? I saw pages ago he's some big guy in the movie industry and thus he's probably the biggest WAOW guy to be voicing the Rolando guy. So I don't know, really.

 

[Catboi]

LoL I didn't know one of Brandon Rogers' exes were in the show. I'm sure he looks as lovable as he is on the inside.

Kidding aside, I have no idea who is John Waters, probably Roger Waters' cousin or some shit. Is he an unhinged fucktard? I saw pages ago he's some big guy in the movie industry and thus he's probably the biggest WAOW guy to be voicing the Rolando guy. So I don't know, really.

Please for the love of god tell me you're joking about not knowing who John Waters is and assuming he's there due to connections with Brandon

 

[Kenny Blankenship]

LoL I didn't know one of Brandon Rogers' exes were in the show. I'm sure he looks as lovable as he is on the inside.

Kidding aside, I have no idea who is John Waters, probably Roger Waters' cousin or some shit. Is he an unhinged fucktard? I saw pages ago he's some big guy in the movie industry and thus he's probably the biggest WAOW guy to be voicing the Rolando guy. So I don't know, really.

And don't forget to smile~

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Please for the love of god tell me you're joking about not knowing who John Waters is and assuming he's there due to connections with Brandon

I said I was joking. But like I said, he's some movie personality or something, like someone said on the thread, but I never paid attention to that.

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And don't forget to smile~

LoL!

 

[Re(Runner)48]

To be fair I haven't. He's sort of a Broadway star and is in plays I guess I don't like musicals, so I've never heard of him either

I said I was joking. But like I said, he's some movie personality or something, like someone said on the thread, but I never paid attention to that.

 

[Stumbling7]

Spoiler: meme dumb 54