Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

So really its only a small minority of villains, though there are villains I forgot to mention who are in Helluva Boss since that show has a more expansive rogues gallery and it became a soap opera so Vivzie tries to make these villains intimidating but it fails

Because we get cliffhangers from these supposes villains that hype up that the next time we see them they're going to do something big but it's usually forgotten about or disappointing. At the end of the Circus episode, Stolas tells Stella they're getting a divorce she tells him "I know you'll pay" with an evil smile before she leaves. The next time we see her she's just yelling at him as usual and now it's her brother who is pulling the strings (miserably I might add). In Mammon's episode, Asmodeus announces on stage that him and Fizz are in love and before Mammon leaves the stage he tells Asmodeus that "you are going to regret revealing that". The next time we see him, he's just making casual insults that Ozz and Bee are dating low class citizens and nothing else.

Pretty much this is the case for every villain in this show. They're build up to do something that could make life more difficult for the protagonists but then once we do see them again they ain't doing shit.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Pretty much this is the case for every villain in this show. They're build up to do something that could make life more difficult for the protagonists but then once we do see them again they ain't doing shit.

looping right back around to the "hugbox setting" problem:

If you want to show brutal injustices to the viewer, you have to be willing to depict truly awful things. SJWs invite us to "imagine a better world" by sterilizing fiction of the aspects of reality that upset them the most, creating settings that are practical hugboxes.

 

[Stumbling7]

Spoiler: meme dumb 57

 

[The tired cat]

I love this Octavia image, that face just says "I'm done with your shit, fucker."

 

[Kyria the Great]

Honestly I do wonder if Vivzi is one of those women who hate other women seeing them as competitions as both of her series barely have any female characters that aren't mere assessories to another character or are just being a bitch to the "sad character".

 

[The Nothingness]

Honestly I do wonder if Vivzi is one of those women who hate other women seeing them as competitions as both of her series barely have any female characters that aren't mere assessories to another character or are just being a bitch to the "sad character".

And the only exception, Charlie, has been documented on here as having a better character in the pilot than in the series.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Though I'm very happy that we don't like the excuse for manipulative lechers like Stolas on this thread. Though if he was unrepentantly the manipulative and abusive asshole like he was in the pilot, Id respect him as the evil boss in which IMP must placate yet also eventually outplay

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Though I'm very happy that we don't like the excuse for manipulative lechers like Stolas on this thread. Though if he was unrepentantly the manipulative and abusive asshole like he was in the pilot, Id respect him as the evil boss in which IMP must placate yet also eventually outplay

Yeah Pilot!Stolas would've been fine being a manipulative gaslighter, and he could be effective.

Season 1 Stolas also could've been fine if they had a slow burn to him learning from his mistakes and trying to improve, which it looked like it was setting up from how Blitzo feels shackled by him to Stolas feeling guilt over how he treats Octavia and Stella.

But then Season 2 came around to really make him one of the worst animated characters out there.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

And the only exception, Charlie, has been documented on here as having a better character in the pilot than in the series.

That was before Viv completed swallowed Charlie and become her full self insert.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Though I'm very happy that we don't like the excuse for manipulative lechers like Stolas on this thread. Though if he was unrepentantly the manipulative and abusive asshole like he was in the pilot, Id respect him as the evil boss in which IMP must placate yet also eventually outplay

Doublepost:

That's what I'm thinking! It would be so interesting and rewarding for the series to have an underdog win. Everyone roots for the underdog, especially if they are all horrible fucking beings. The audience can connect to them more, and feel a sense of owning that asshole. I added that in the rewrite as it's something I feel the audience was promised, and were lulled into a false sense of security. It's so weird why people aren't advocating for that, as Viv is a constant rugpuller and liar.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

My Friend wanted me to share his redesign info of the Hazbin Characters. So here they are. He's never finished past these three though.

 

[Fiwi Karmer 69420]

My Friend wanted me to share his redesign info of the Hazbin Characters. So here they are. He's never finished past these three though.

View attachment 7117095View attachment 7117097View attachment 7117099

respectfully, he should leave it at those three.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

My Friend wanted me to share his redesign info of the Hazbin Characters. So here they are. He's never finished past these three though.

View attachment 7117095View attachment 7117097View attachment 7117099

If I didn't know any better, I would have said this was a parody of typical tumblr redesigns.

 

[brownsuagrbubbletea]

On the topic of swearing a page or two ago. Honestly i think more disappointed in how uncreative the swears are ngl.

Like you have so many characters from different era’s your telling me they don’t have a unique way of insulting people

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

On the topic of swearing a page or two ago. Honestly i think more disappointed in how uncreative the swears are ngl.

Like you have so many characters from different era’s your telling me they don’t have a unique way of insulting people

I mean its written by someone who has Millennial-Gen Alpha to Appeal to, in fact most Gen Alpha shit is literally remixing the only (arguably good part) of the show. The Songs. If you want creative then she has to do research but everyone knows that's impossible. The best she can do is have Vaggie call someone a puta. That's it.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Spoiler: Option If You Are NPP-Y (National Socialist)

Spoiler: Option If You Are NPP-L (Authoritarian Socialist)

 

[nevertosubmit88]

View attachment 7118498

Spoiler: Option If You Are NPP-Y (National Socialist)

View attachment 7118510

Spoiler: Option If You Are NPP-L (Authoritarian Socialist)

View attachment 7118509

What game is that? Looks like one of the history simulations I used to be into.

 

[The tired cat]

What game is that? Looks like one of the history simulations I used to be into.

Hearts of Iron 4, that game has mods up the wazoo.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

In my notifications, someone liked a post I made in this thread over two years ago, and it's amazing how my feelings for Helluva Boss has relatively stayed the same way since then.

Spoiler: Long ass post

That's the main issue that I have with the show. Why is there drama? Why did there ever need to be drama in a small episodic spinoff that was meant to tide over audience while the main, bigger, complex show was being made?
Whatever you thought of the pilot for Hazbin Hotel, it at least got across that it was going to have serious moments, character depth, and a consistent story of a demon princess trying to redeem people in hell. Yes it's also comedic but that wasn't its main focus.

Helluva Boss' pilot showed that its focus was going to be a dark comedy about an organization in hell that kills living people for money, with not only dealing with the shenanigans that comes with said business, but also within the group themselves.
It was never supposed to take itself seriously. It wasn't supposed to get indepth with its characters and lore. It wasn't supposed to get "deep". It was supposed to be something you could watch and laugh at, and that's it. You can even see that in the first episode, as the plot follows the formula in the pilot, just not as messy. But somewhere between that first episode and second episode, Viv thought "Hmm, maybe I should give one of these characters some complexity...I know which one. No, not any of the people in that main cast. Pfft, that would be stupid. How about that one bird that solicits Blitzo for sexual favors. He had, like, maybe a minute or two of screen time in both the pilot and first episode. Yeah, that's what I should prioritize." And then we got episode two. I didn't even think episode two was that bad but it definitely caught be off guard. Thought, ok I thought these were just going to be sort of like one-offs but whatever. Except that it still was, because then we got episode 3 and 4 which were more episodic in nature. Confusing that we're back to this, but maybe they wanted to get to the original format. Then we get to episode 5 which starts out similar enough but ends up with something that sounds like it will be brought up later in the series as being a plot point. And I'm like "what the fuck? Why are we back to this? I thought this was supposed to be episodic?" Then episode 6, pretty similar with how episode 5 go and me being confused with what the people behind this show are trying to. And then episode 7 came and that's when I realized we're getting a drama.

TLDR: Viv can't
figure whether she wants funny episodic or serious serialization. She needs to make up her damn mind cause I can't tell anymore what is supposed to be funny and dark, or serious and depressing.

 

[didelphigina]

In my notifications, someone liked a post I made in this thread over two years ago, and it's amazing how my feelings for Helluva Boss has relatively stayed the same way since then.

Looking back at the older posts generally really showed the huge shift the people watching this thread felt about the show overtime. From being cautious yet hopeful to concerned yet giving it another chance to thin ice to practically watching it slowly die off the face of indie animation as it slowly becomes less of a show that defined all odds and more of Vivziepop's unfiltered YA fujoshi fanfiction disguised as a show that more people than ever are starting to be more vocal against. All the potential's gone. All we can do is reimagine the entire story, characters, world; everything. We know Viv won't do it in a million years if it means she gets to continue coddling Stolas no matter what.