Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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I don't think Viv understands why Beatrice Horseman's backstory worked. While Beatrice herself was a pretty shitty person, there were instances before we got to the backstory episode that showed she wasn't just some one-dimensional bitch that existed to solely antagonize Bojack.

Stella is just a one-dimensional bitch that is solely here to give Stolas sympathy. That's it. There's no nuance to her or any reason for why she acts the way she does; she just does thing to hurt Stolas fee-fees. Any chance that could have been given to expand on Stella has been wasted.

I don't trust Viv writing a backstory episode for Stella. She did a terrible job on writing one for Stolas as it didn't even expand that much on his history and only really showed how he fell in love with Blitzø. And even if Stella's backstory episode was the best written episode of the series, it wouldn't really matter in the end. Because Stella is so flat as a character, anything that was told or shown to us in the past wouldn't really matter to the present. Viv has made it quite clear that Stella is just a dumb bitch that hates Stolas because. Anything we get on Stella in the past to make her more complex would just feel like a completely different character at this point.
 
You see that'll be rad if they keep going with that. Have Charlie snap on him one day because she's sick of him acting like anything more than a slightly bigger than average fish.
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I will allow myself to hope that Alastor's days of being untouchable are at an end and his performance against Adam was merely the first salvo and not an in-universe out of character moment.
I just want to see Alastor frown or show any other facial expression that doesn't involve smiling. Funnily enough I've imagined it happening through an old fashioned ass whippin.
 
Redo Time

Finished him finally. Okay saw peoples thoughts and thought of implementing some of them into the design.

Its ADAM time.

So yeah Vivs design looks lackluster here, just looks like Dream or a generic pastey frat boy. Nothing really screams first man to me.

Old design
Not the biggest fan of the horn helmet, silhouette test shows that he would be related to Blitzo as his head is shaped like an imp for some reason.
His body is weird. It's fat but not?
Super pale and pasty
Doesn't look like the first man.
His outfit is odd to me. With the face thing and the "robes"?

New design

Changed his helmet to look more angelic meaning it would be more incomprehensible. It still has a LED element, but it would be of a giant eye to adapt with the angels looks. Three points (father, son, holy spirit)
His outfit gives him a holier look, a pastor look, his robe has a giant fig leaf (that's the leaf that covered Adam's junk)
His halo looks sort of like a crown of spikes almost, arrows pointed at his head.
Really liked the idea of him being larger. He's a tank, strong fat body. I'd like to think he comes to heaven he sort of let himself go, and might over indulge in all the human creations they bring back to heaven, as it's something fascinating to him.
His wings are made of gods light not of feathers as he wasn't created as an angel.
He's not pasty and has a little color to him, and with curly features. Adam is often depicted with curly brown hair and a slightly dark completion.
Kept the bags under his eyes.
When he talks the eyes LED becomes a mouth.
He's 7 feet tall.
Still has guitar axe.

Story wise

He is seen as "immature" in ways, he is the youngest of gods creations. And with this constant influx of souls younger than him he tries to adapt . The language changes and grows since when he was alive, he tries to adapt to different vocabulary.

He feels left out with the angels as they were created. As he is always interacting with them he feels lower then them as he was mortal, he can't connect with them in a human level.

Hides that he's a human as hes ashamed of his origin. Since he's been so long in heaven he's extra cautious, and fears for all of his children. Feeling very down that so many of his children have become demons.

He hangs around humans to connect, though most mortal souls blame him for their suffering. (People blame him for him not listening to God and eating the apple.)

Overworked, stressed and depressed in some ways.

Connects with Lute as she's a lost soul (mortal) almost like him.

Wants to prove himself to Seraphims by doing creating the exterminations to keep hell at bay. Thinking because they are his children it's his responsibility to "take care of them".

Is a silent observer personality, learning before striking.

When he hears of Charlie's existence he begins to panic thinking that all of humanity will be doomed. He carefully watches Charlie monitoring her to learn about her.

Over the years of exterminations he finally comes down and tries to do the old fashioned trick the devil would use. Saying that the Exterminations have been happening behind his back. And tries to convince her that he's actually down here to congratulate her, saying that they are totally redeemable and that he personally wanted to bestow upon her her own mortal soul as a gift. Lying of course he wants to draw her out and kill her himself.


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I randomly asked an ai (out of bordem) "why is hazbin and helluva so popular among bootleggers?" Cause do another search and chances are you'll find cheap chink knockoffs of vivzies official sharkrobot stuff in addition to fan made trinkets on Etsy and tee public.


Anyways, a reason why that made me laugh was "it's edgy" and "popular among rebellious young people." Well clearly ai needs to learn what edgy is and adjust its definition of Young. Cause firstly vivzie's material hasn't been "edgy" since she made a long since broken promise to not have any trans genderspecials on her show...and possibly wince she created that sausage party oc who was a literal food nazi. Secondly the only audience she has left are 30 something "hazbins" much like herself.


I don't like to agree with the "sad know it alls" of the world, Walsh, knowles, Shapiro, and watson, but they were right to say there's an entire generation or two who have rejected vivzie's and indeed all leftist ideas of what "edgy" is, and everything that goes against her is now the "new edgy."
 
Redo Time

Finished him finally. Okay saw peoples thoughts and thought of implementing some of them into the design.

Its ADAM time.
Very damn nice! The poor man is overworked, perhaps "entitled" to indulge in a few pleasures in life, but also wants to prove himself. Now that's how he should be.
 
I randomly asked an ai (out of bordem) "why is hazbin and helluva so popular among bootleggers?" Cause do another search and chances are you'll find cheap chink knockoffs of vivzies official sharkrobot stuff in addition to fan made trinkets on Etsy and tee public.
No offense but did you really need to ask AI why a popular IP would get cheap knock offs because almost everything gets bootlegs these days even stuff like Amazing Digital Circus and Poppy Playtime.

Hell bootlegging popular stuff has been a phenomenon for decades since The Simpsons also got bootlegs.
 
Very damn nice! The poor man is overworked, perhaps "entitled" to indulge in a few pleasures in life, but also wants to prove himself. Now that's how he should be.
I do like how not only us Kiwifarmers but the majority of people see Adam as this tragic character. I don't know how Viv managed to do this TWICE unintentionally.
 
No offense but did you really need to ask AI why a popular IP would get cheap knock offs because almost everything gets bootlegs these days even stuff like Amazing Digital Circus and Poppy Playtime.

Hell bootlegging popular stuff has been a phenomenon for decades since The Simpsons also got bootlegs.
Someone clearly hasn’t seen the bootlegged ghetto/gangsta SpongeBob and Looney Tunes t-shirts from the 2000s.
 
I do like how not only us Kiwifarmers but the majority of people see Adam as this tragic character. I don't know how Viv managed to do this TWICE unintentionally.
Adam was most definitely based as well as tragic if you ask me. The man did as he pleased consequences be damned. Viv fucked up hard getting rid of him after only one season.
 
No offense but did you really need to ask AI why a popular IP would get cheap knock offs because almost everything gets bootlegs these days even stuff like Amazing Digital Circus and Poppy Playtime.

Hell bootlegging popular stuff has been a phenomenon for decades since The Simpsons also got bootlegs.
Like i said Was bored...and by ai I meant Google which is pretty much nothing but ai now to awnser whatever people ask it.

I'm surprised spindlehorse has openly addressed the fans, "please don't buy anything with hazbin or helluva on it unless it's from sharkrobot, hot topic, or whatever that third storefront they set up is called. You'd think they wouldn't care what some chinks in China do for a quick buck, oh right they're chinks in China making trinkets and baubles of hazbin/helluva without Turing a profit for vivzie/spindlehorse/amazon.
 
Adam was most definitely based as well as tragic if you ask me. The man did as he pleased consequences be damned. Viv fucked up hard getting rid of him after only one season.
That's why he's coming back as Lute's hallucination in season 2.

Edit: You know, I also realize that Stella is kind of based too. Everyone else is crying and being an emotional wreck in the show, but she keeps going without a care in the world.
 
I do like how not only us Kiwifarmers but the majority of people see Adam as this tragic character. I don't know how Viv managed to do this TWICE unintentionally.
I'd say Adam is in a more charitable position (to Vivzie anyway) because while he's seen as tragic a lot of people can still see him work as a villainous role but recognize some sadness can be found in him.

It probably helps Adam has clearly some power and choice that the OTHER unintentionally tragic character lacks who is in a worse position.

Adam was most definitely based as well as tragic if you ask me. The man did as he pleased consequences be damned. Viv fucked up hard getting rid of him after only one season.
Best or Worst case scenario is that Vivzie decides to put in the Demon Adam idea which is really popular in her fandom and proposed here many times.

Like I can see it happen due to Adam's VA being a series regular and someone Vivzie clearly likes to have around. He's already going to be a hallucination for Lute.

Like i said Was bored...and by ai I meant Google which is pretty much nothing but ai now to awnser whatever people ask it.

I'm surprised spindlehorse has openly addressed the fans, "please don't buy anything with hazbin or helluva on it unless it's from sharkrobot, hot topic, or whatever that third storefront they set up is called. You'd think they wouldn't care what some chinks in China do for a quick buck, oh right they're chinks in China making trinkets and baubles of hazbin/helluva without Turing a profit for vivzie/spindlehorse/amazon.
Well it doesn't help that a lot of merch profit does go into funding at least Helluva Boss since almost every indie or indie-adjacent creator has a merch deal.
 
I don't think Viv understands why Beatrice Horseman's backstory worked. While Beatrice herself was a pretty shitty person, there were instances before we got to the backstory episode that showed she wasn't just some one-dimensional bitch that existed to solely antagonize Bojack.

Stella is just a one-dimensional bitch that is solely here to give Stolas sympathy. That's it. There's no nuance to her or any reason for why she acts the way she does; she just does thing to hurt Stolas fee-fees. Any chance that could have been given to expand on Stella has been wasted.

I don't trust Viv writing a backstory episode for Stella. She did a terrible job on writing one for Stolas as it didn't even expand that much on his history and only really showed how he fell in love with Blitzø. And even if Stella's backstory episode was the best written episode of the series, it wouldn't really matter in the end. Because Stella is so flat as a character, anything that was told or shown to us in the past wouldn't really matter to the present. Viv has made it quite clear that Stella is just a dumb bitch that hates Stolas because. Anything we get on Stella in the past to make her more complex would just feel like a completely different character at this point.

Mark my words, Stella's "backstory" is going to be vague nondescript daddy issues and she was scared of her father, so she lashed out on Stolas ever since they were kids because he never argued back until the divorce.

It gives her the right amount of fake depth via freudian excuse while still making it clear Stella is 100% wrong and Stolas is 100% innocent.
 
Mark my words, Stella's "backstory" is going to be vague nondescript daddy issues and she was scared of her father, so she lashed out on Stolas ever since they were kids because he never argued back until the divorce.

It gives her the right amount of fake depth via freudian excuse while still making it clear Stella is 100% wrong and Stolas is 100% innocent.
And Stolas fans still act like this girl who was forced to be married to a gay man with 100 times more power than her is still not worth sympathizing towards.

Like I really don't think any of Vivzie's other characters can really come close to being as unintentionally sympathetic as Stella.

Adam had a lot of agency, and chose to be sadistic even if his circumstances are tragic, meanwhile Stella is forced to fuck a gay man because of political powers that be.
 
And Stolas fans still act like this girl who was forced to be married to a gay man with 100 times more power than her is still not worth sympathizing towards.

Like I really don't think any of Vivzie's other characters can really come close to being as unintentionally sympathetic as Stella.

Adam had a lot of agency, and chose to be sadistic even if his circumstances are tragic, meanwhile Stella is forced to fuck a gay man because of political powers that be.
As much as Stolas whinges about how he "tried to make it work" HE'S the one who cheated on Stella, was a self aborbed wreck, and openly loathed her as much as she loathed him. I don't understand how he's framed so sympathetically and people believe it.

"Ohhh but boo hoo he had to marry a woman" Like Stella didn't also have to marry someome she's not attracted to whatsoever who she's forced to have sex with ON TOP of being the one giving birth. All Stolas did was sit there and cum in her a few times.
 
As much as Stolas whinges about how he "tried to make it work" HE'S the one who cheated on Stella, was a self aborbed wreck, and openly loathed her as much as she loathed him. I don't understand how he's framed so sympathetically and people believe it.

Because it's literally "tell don't show" and it's stolas telling and he is good while stella is evil so it must be true. If Stella said the same thing people would accuse her of "gaslighting" Stolas, despite her word being just as valid.

It's absurd how their entire marriage hinges on one very forced line from one narcissist talking down to someone he hates. Stolas lied about not looking down on Blitzo (actually gaslit him) and kept lying to octavia so, like i mentioned long ago, him insisted he "tried so many years to make it work" with Stella is unreliable at best.

But if you dare give Stella any benefit of doubt the fans will call you insane and media iliterate. Stolas said he's innocent so it's the truth.
 
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