Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Gladly]

Lilith (Potential Woman)

0 motherly instincts
0 fucks given
777 missed phone calls

Okay, at first I was really disappointed by the Lilith reveal at the end of season 1. I found the idea awful that her opposition was only based on wanting to stay in Heaven, as it made it merely instrumental. Essentially, she's using her rejection of redemption as a means to remain in Heaven. This is strategic, not philosophical. She wouldn't be defending a worldview but protecting a privilege. This would have reduced her to a weak antithesis if she is going to be an antagonist, of course. But since all plans to kick her out were abandoned in the episode "Storyteller," Lilith could actually be the challenger we deserve. This can only happen, however, if the writers prioritize philosophical tension over family melodrama.

 

[peachlover669]

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the schrodinger profile picture is just chefs kiss, this man knows what the fuck is up

 

[Strangolapreti]

i personally just dont think its that bad. like yeah you can spend all day pointing out the flaws, many/most of them valid, but at the end of the day i enjoy the show for what it is. I certainly dont think its the worst thing to ever exist despite my many many posts shitting on it.

I will repeat it one last time, for science:
That's fucking cope and you have been fed pigshit this whole time; good animation doesn't excuse the shittiest writing imaginable, this is something even gamers have figured out thabks to tlou2. You deserve better, just like the animators that worked at this trash.

 

[Jhonson the Two]

A thesis that is right but weak cannot be believed because belief is not produced by correctness, but by survival. We don’t just believe ideas because they are stated. We believe them because we see them endure pressure and survive being nearly destroyed.

That's the case in scientific process. Or said differently: a theory is a hypothesis that could not been proven false (yet).

Adam is interesting to me because not only his behaviors make the anti-thesis a strawman like you said, but to me it also nullify the thesis. It shows you don't need redemption. If a piece of shit can be in heaven then redemption maybe not the only way to enter heaven, so why bother playing the charade? Also we had an entire season with Vox showing the gate to be at a physical, attainable distance.
Redemption is useless (in the HH show).

 

[Gladly]

The longer you think about it, the more absurd the case for Adam becomes.

Adam was the first person to die. This means that the afterlife system failed on its very first attempt. By entering heaven, Adam and his existence had already proven this system to be contradictory, broken, and false. But instead of questioning their own system to understand the error and prevent such a mistake from happening again, the angels simply do nothing and continue to monitor this system despite all its faults. How can someone not consider the angels to be careless, disinterested idiots?!

 

[Strangolapreti]

Adam was the first person to die.

Wasn't it Abel?
I refuse to watch the show, but I know Adam and Eve had another son after Abel died and unless a miscarriage/accident happened, I can safely go by exclusion and look at the first murder.
Surely viv DIDN'T fucked up something as basic as checking the genesis who died first, RIGHT?
I mean... Its not like the first human death being caused by abother human has been interpreted by both theologists and scholars alike as a metaphor for human malice or anything...

 

[Gladly]

Wasn't it Abel?
I refuse to watch the show, but I know Adam and Eve had another son after Abel died and unless a miscarriage/accident happened, I can safely go by exclusion and look at the first murder.
Surely viv DIDN'T fucked up something as basic as checking the genesis who died first, RIGHT?
I mean... Its not like the first human death being caused by abother human has been interpreted by both theologists and scholars alike as a metaphor for human malice or anything...

In "Welcome to Heaven," Sera, to my knowledge, referred to him as the first human soul to enter Heaven.

Abel being the first murder victim is so well known that I don't understand how Viv missed it. The story of Abel and Cain is about tragedy. Adam and Eve lost not one, but two sons that day. One killed, and the other exiled. Seth, their third son was the restoration of their legacy and hope. I hate how she wants to strip all tragedy from Adam's story. He and his wife were deceived by a snake/Satan and kicked out of their home that was essentially their entire world. Had to struggle in a new world filled with suffering, sin and pain while raising a family. Had to kill and hunt the animals that were once his friends just to survive. Lost both sons. And worst: He basically had to live with the belief that his entire lineage will never experience divine closeness and guidance as he and Eve did. But no, let's ignore all of this and focus on poor Lucifer and Lilith who literally became untouchable royals living in luxury despite fucking everything up for humanity. Yes, this is somehow more sympathetic.

 

[Strangolapreti]

In "Welcome to Heaven," Sera, to my knowledge, referred to him as the first human soul to enter Heaven.

I would almost say that I love the whole redditor mentality where you think the Bible is passé and trash it because of muh strawman of le evil evangelical bible humper and then immediately proceed to write down something so retarded its not even funny anymore to mock it.
But then I'm reminded that these people get paid and their digested slop is genuinely discussed and consoomed by retards.

 

[TexasRanger]

In "Welcome to Heaven," Sera, to my knowledge, referred to him as the first human soul to enter Heaven.

Abel being the first murder victim is so well known that I don't understand how Viv missed it. The story of Abel and Cain is about tragedy. Adam and Eve lost not one, but two sons that day. One killed, and the other exiled. Seth, their third son was the restoration of their legacy and hope. I hate how she wants to strip all tragedy from Adam's story. He and his wife were deceived by a snake/Satan and kicked out of their home that was essentially their entire world. Had to struggle in a new world filled with suffering, sin and pain while raising a family. Had to kill and hunt the animals that were once his friends just to survive. Lost both sons. And worst: He basically had to live with the belief that his entire lineage will never experience divine closeness and guidance as he and Eve did. But no, let's ignore all of this and focus on poor Lucifer and Lilith who literally became untouchable royals living in luxury despite fucking everything up for humanity. Yes, this is somehow more sympathetic.

If I could I would make Charlie roast both of her parents for this

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

If I could I would make Charlie roast both of her parents for this

Hopefully she has something like this to say to them:

 

[Strangolapreti]

If I could I would make Charlie roast both of her parents for this

"LoL Adam. What kind of parent causes his first sons to kill each other? lmao! 6-7 Negative rizz! You and your low-diffed skibidi!"

"Yes, sure, let's roast the parent who had to bury his own son and spend millenia consumed by remorse for failing as a parent, especially when he had to learn on the spot what parenthood and brother-to-brother relationships entail, truly, such a pathetic loser I had to be! And of course, feel free to mock my greatest failure, you entitled nepo-baby who is both gonna die an insufferable, childless lesbian and is also the SINGLE DAUGHTER of the two cunts who ruined the life, afterlife and whole existence of me, my wife and our descendant whole, a snotty teenager that surely wasn't lied about what actually happened back then, instead of being taught some bullshit lie by THE LITERAL DEVIL AND HIS WIFE to portray themselves as morally gray heroes, AM I RIGHT?! You surely know better, and I'm sure you would have done a better job than me in the same situation. I'm sure you would have been able to prevent it from even happening! I can even imagine you, in your ridicolous clown makeover and squallid corporate parasite suit, looking at my two sons acting like best friends, just like the day before, and the month before that, and the years before that, immediately realize something bad is gonna happen, as well as identify the issue, have your sons aknowledge it and prevent the worst tragedy a parent could endure to even happen! I'm so thankful shitstains like you, who don't even know how to pleasure a girl without beating the shit out of her exists. I'm sure the world is a better place solely because of your worthless existence and seriously, I'm not even close to sarcastic when I say you shouldn't kill yourself either, I wish you to live your own miserable existence for as long at demonically possible because I'm sure death would be a mercy, both for you and the people that are forced to endure you every single day of their miserable life and afterlife, considering your status as princess of hell. From the lake of feces to the forest of trannies. I mean suicide victims: All hail the princess of hell, may your reigm of suffering, STD ridden hedonism, excrements and misery outlive the sun itself and forever last, or at least until anus johma dies and you'll be forced to give her throne back."

 

[peachlover669]

"LoL Adam. What kind of parent causes his first sons to kill each other? lmao! 6-7 Negative rizz! You and your low-diffed skibidi!"

"Yes, sure, let's roast the parent who had to bury his own son and spend millenia consumed by remorse for failing as a parent, especially when he had to learn on the spot what parenthood and brother-to-brother relationships entail, truly, such a pathetic loser I had to be! And of course, feel free to mock my greatest failure, you entitled nepo-baby who is both gonna die an insufferable, childless lesbian and is also the SINGLE DAUGHTER of the two cunts who ruined the life, afterlife and whole existence of me, my wife and our descendant whole, a snotty teenager that surely wasn't lied about what actually happened back then, instead of being taught some bullshit lie by THE LITERAL DEVIL AND HIS WIFE to portray themselves as morally gray heroes, AM I RIGHT?! You surely know better, and I'm sure you would have don better job than me, in the same situation. I'm sure you would have been able to prevent it from even happening! I can even imagine you, in your ridicolous clown makeover and squallid corporate parasite suit, looking at my two sons acting like friends do, just like the day before, the month before, the years before and immediately realize something bad is gonna happen, as well as identify the issue, have your sons aknowledge it and prevent the worst tragedy a parenr could endure to even happen! I'm so thankful shitstains like you, who don't even know how to pleasure a girl without beating the shit out of her exists. I'm sure the world is a better place solely because of your worthless existence and seriously, I'm not even close to sarcastic when I say you shouldn't kill yourself either, I wish you to live your own miserable existence for as long at demonically possible because I'm sure death would be a mercy, both for you and the people that are forced to endure you every single day of their lives and death, considering your status as princess of hell. From the lake of feces to the forest of trannies. I mean suicide victims: All hail the princess of hell, may your reigm of suffering, STD ridden hedonism, excrements and misery outlive the sun itself and forever last."

xir, your gonna have to watch the demon sex show if you want to actually give insightful commentary about its reckless use of biblical events. i reccomened starting with helluva boss as thats often seen as the peak of viv's career, dont bother with season 1 just skip straight to season 2 and glaze over the first few episodes until you get to the stolas x blitzo arc.

 

[Beggamania]

Strangolapreti said:
"LoL Adam. What kind of parent causes his first sons to kill each other? lmao! 6-7 Negative rizz! You and your low-diffed skibidi!"

"Rahh, Adammm is so good"

Charlie(if she was a good character): "wife left. twice. was so shit of a parent your son killed your younger one. Fell for random ass apple trick from my deadbeat bum. Suffah, fat bish"

 

[Strangolapreti]

yoy must watch S2 and stolas x blitzo

The golden rule is that, if previous season/entry was dogshit, then you mustn't watch the next one.
If you wonder why such a retard rule exists in the first place, look at borutards.

Charlie(if she was a good character): "wife left. twice. was so shit of a parent your son killed your younger one. Suffah, fat bish"

Imagine getting offended by a character that unironically dresses like a clown.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

"Yes, sure, let's roast the parent who had to bury his own son and spend millenia consumed by remorse for failing as a parent, especially when he had to learn on the spot what parenthood and brother-to-brother relationships entail, truly, such a pathetic loser I had to be! And of course, feel free to mock my greatest failure, you entitled nepo-baby who is both gonna die an insufferable, childless lesbian and is also the SINGLE DAUGHTER of the two cunts who ruined the life, afterlife and whole existence of me, my wife and our descendant whole, a snotty teenager that surely wasn't lied about what actually happened back then, instead of being taught some bullshit lie by THE LITERAL DEVIL AND HIS WIFE to portray themselves as morally gray heroes, AM I RIGHT?! You surely know better, and I'm sure you would have done a better job than me in the same situation. I'm sure you would have been able to prevent it from even happening! I can even imagine you, in your ridicolous clown makeover and squallid corporate parasite suit, looking at my two sons acting like best friends, just like the day before, and the month before that, and the years before that, immediately realize something bad is gonna happen, as well as identify the issue, have your sons aknowledge it and prevent the worst tragedy a parent could endure to even happen! I'm so thankful shitstains like you, who don't even know how to pleasure a girl without beating the shit out of her exists. I'm sure the world is a better place solely because of your worthless existence and seriously, I'm not even close to sarcastic when I say you shouldn't kill yourself either, I wish you to live your own miserable existence for as long at demonically possible because I'm sure death would be a mercy, both for you and the people that are forced to endure you every single day of their miserable life and afterlife, considering your status as princess of hell. From the lake of feces to the forest of trannies. I mean suicide victims: All hail the princess of hell, may your reigm of suffering, STD ridden hedonism, excrements and misery outlive the sun itself and forever last, until anus johma dies and you'll be forced to give her throne back."

Or, alternatievly:

"Hindsight is 20/20, and it is always easy to judge in leisure decisions that others needed to make in haste."

 

[invisibult plus+]

I will repeat it one last time, for science:
That's fucking cope and you have been fed pigshit this whole time; good animation doesn't excuse the shittiest writing imaginable, this is something even gamers have figured out thabks to tlou2. You deserve better, just like the animators that worked at this trash.

The good animation makes it worse. Children in Africa could've eaten that. But in all seriousness,

snip

Not even HH Abel gave a shit that his dad was legitimately dead. Fucking Lute cared more about Adam dying than he did. And why would Abel care? All that pesky context was thrown out the window because Viv didn't want to write the first man in existence, she wanted to write yet another frat boy that got retconned into abusing Vaggie.* She can only write a handful of characters and scenarios, another reason she tosses her premises out that window, too. Because they're another form of context. She hates context. She only lives in the here and now. Who needs context when you can write Wattpad fanfic for the fiftieth time?

*I don't like bringing up Vaggie too much but she's a good example of how retcons and trying to override context hurt characterization and the story as a whole. " You mean to tell me, an angel that got hurt by an angelic weapon, that angels can get hurt by angelic weapons? Hmm, do tell, how can I explain this to Charlie? Surely this won't cause another minor conflict that's swept under the rug with a sitcom heart-to-heart because my creator has no concept of lasting consequences. Maybe another song would do the trick, I just don't know. "

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Lilith (Potential Woman)

0 motherly instincts
0 fucks given
777 missed phone calls

Okay, at first I was really disappointed by the Lilith reveal at the end of season 1. I found the idea awful that her opposition was only based on wanting to stay in Heaven, as it made it merely instrumental. Essentially, she's using her rejection of redemption as a means to remain in Heaven. This is strategic, not philosophical. She wouldn't be defending a worldview but protecting a privilege. This would have reduced her to a weak antithesis if she is going to be an antagonist, of course. But since all plans to kick her out were abandoned in the episode "Storyteller," Lilith could actually be the challenger we deserve. This can only happen, however, if the writers prioritize philosophical tension over family melodrama.

The Lilith we see in Heaven might actually be Eve if the old leaks are still canon. And Rosie is actually Lilith.

I hope this is the case because whatever explanation they give of this in the show is just going to make the story even more confusing than it already is, and that will give me the entertainment I so desperately desire.

 

[Hulku]

Just calling me a faggot oh you think that will hurt my feelings? you ran out of anything even remotely smart to say so you will call me a slur and act like that is even going to affect my feelings, are you just dumbass but what is funny is i bet if i responded even half as hostile or bullying i’d be the one catching a ban every single time it is the same pattern someone throws the most greasy insult possible and somehow Im supposed to just sit there and not do anything about it why is it always me that has to just take this shit? Also for your information I don’t even care about whatever insult you think you’re making or hurting my feelings it’s just lazy also derailing for a word that won’t even affect me? just pathetic.​

The Loud House means a lot to me and i am not obligated to explain it to you, or even waste my time explaining the goodness and themes packed in the 10 seasons well season 11 just came out so ..I guess.. 11..

Stop de railing me now!

 

[The Saltening]

the stolas was requested but i found some other ones as well

 

[Strangolapreti]

Who needs context when you can write Wattpad fanfic for the fiftieth time?

And the saddest part in all this is that, despite being so fucking atrocious at writing, viv isn't even the worst writer working at amazon, nor she has the worst fandom out of them:
Bronze, silver and gold medals for shittiest writing have already been claimed by the wheel of time, fallout and dem ringz of powah before her fat, greasy hands could even come closer to any of them, and when it comes to audience, well... Unlike tv fallout fans, I haven't seen HH pulling out a glup shitto and make people unironically seal clap at it.
And in the name of the BearBull-nigger himself, any lobotomite who praised the fallout tv show deserves to be nuked, especially those who praised s2.

that will give me the entertainment I so desperately desire.

I know its an almost 20 years old series, but have you considered watching/rewatching Mononoke?
The animation is gorgeous even for today standards, the show itself doesn't treats you like a complete retard, the demons are actually eldritch, instead of gay twinks and nobody is gay.