Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[ButtNakedKnees]

I actually can somewhat understand Viv in this birthday situation. Remember that a really high number of shippers are obnoxious re-tarded muppets and leeches. Charlastor shippers are one of the most fucknut parts of the Hazbin fandom, with some outright preaching and nagging for that ship to be a thing (yeah and fuck that Charlie already has a girlfriend and that Alastor is a deranged psychopath). Plus something tells me that it's not a coincidence that their Charlastor Day happened at the same day as her birthday and anniversary.

Not defending her ignorant ego-boasting or saying that all shippers are bad (no matter how stupid the ship itself may be), but if I wanted to enjoy celebrating my birthday and the anniversay of the show I worked hard on, then saw a sudden wave of shipping art raining on me at suspiciously same time, I would have been bitter too at best, since of course it would seem like some parasites want to hijack attention to their sacred dumb fucking ship.

Though in a way it is broad's own fault for occasionally blowing that bubble. If you feed the geese, don't come crying when you get your hand bitten off along with the elbow.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree that Hazbin and Helluva have some good prospects, and that amount of hard work Vivzie put in her projects deserves respect, despite all the visible flaws. It sure is something, all right. I used Rowling and Hartman as an examples of content creators who are known for making something famous and eventually falling from their grace by being utter shites in one way or another.

What I was trying to say is that in general, success is still a pretty luck-based thing, because of certain factors.

It was literally a coincidence that it was on her Birthday but not a coincidence that it was on the anniversary. She also previously said any ship is fine but has proceeded to suggest that not any shipping is fine. It's hard being all inclusive when your such a control freak and people aren't playing with your toys the way you want them too.

Also the only way it would bother someone to see ship art is if they did not like the ship. She seems to be fine selling Charlie and Alastor merch mysteriously packaged together. Makes it seem like she puts on a smile to sell merch but really just wants people to support her canon and any "threat" to that she considers rude.

If anything the picture of her sitting on her computer all day on her Birthday scrolling through twitter seething over some dumb ship art is hilarious.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Alastor is ace, the forgotten orientation.
I can see how Vizzie would get angry over those shipping him with Charlie.

 

[AnOminous]

Shippers are utter garbage and everyone hates them. Even people who have to pretend to like them for reasons probably lose their shit from time to time from just how annoying and cancerous they are.

 

[Spergenschütz]

The crazy thing is that many Hazbin Critical blogs, even Rootbeergoddess (Nicole) are actually defending Viv. Did I wake up in a parallel universe or something? Because it seems like minds/mentalities/personalities have been swapped on that day.

Damn bro, that sucks.

Mod Devil. I'm not here to hear you defend Vivzie. I'm just here to exist. Pronouns are they/he.

devils-advocutie.tumblr.com

https://what-the-hazbin.tumblr.com/

But lunacy aside, I've found links explaining the drama and they seem to have some good information regarding it. Damn the spergery and autism is fucking hilarious.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/jjxywm/discourse_on_the_twitter_hashtag/

https://twitter.com/GothGirlWannabe/status/1321698416913649665

https://twitter.com/search?q=charlastor&src=typed_query

 

[Private Pyle]

Shippers are utter garbage and everyone hates them. Even people who have to pretend to like them for reasons probably lose their shit from time to time from just how annoying and cancerous they are.

Considering this, I might have been too harsh earlier. I mean, yeah better wording could have been used and publicly announcing you were muting doesn’t do you any favors, but I know how autistic, sometimes even dangerous, shippers can get. If they were being spergy about it, I wouldn’t blame them entirely for muting.

The crazy thing is that many Hazbin Critical blogs, even Rootbeergoddess (Nicole) are actually defending Viv. Did I wake up in a parallel universe or something? Because it seems like minds/mentalities/personalities have been swapped on that day.

Damn bro, that sucks.

Mod Devil. I'm not here to hear you defend Vivzie. I'm just here to exist. Pronouns are they/he.

devils-advocutie.tumblr.com

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https://what-the-hazbin.tumblr.com/

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But lunacy aside, I've found links explaining the drama and they seem to have some good information regarding it. Damn the spergery and autism is fucking hilarious.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/jjxywm/discourse_on_the_twitter_hashtag/

https://tw.tinf.io/GothGirlWannabe/status/1321698416913649665

https://tw.tinf.io/search?q=charlastor&src=typed_query

I think this backs up what AnOnimous was saying; shippers can get so bad, even people who hate the show find them beneath them. As someone pointed out, the fandom can get so bad you could only have sympathy for the creator. Then again, they could just be flip flopping in an effort to look concerned so who knows.

But assuming the shipping wars, pestering to make a ship canon and bringing up a real life break up is true (subreddits can be biased with it’s info), there might be more to this than just “Viv didn’t get enough attention on her birthday”.

 

[Spergenschütz]

Considering this, I might have been too harsh earlier. I mean, yeah better wording could have been used and publicly announcing you were muting doesn’t do you any favors, but I know how autistic, sometimes even dangerous, shippers can get. If they were being spergy about it, I wouldn’t blame them entirely for muting.

I think this backs up what AnOnimous was saying; shippers can get so bad, even people who hate the show find them beneath them. As someone pointed out, the fandom can get so bad you could only have sympathy for the creator. Then again, they could just be flip flopping in an effort to look concerned so who knows.

But assuming the shipping wars, pestering to make a ship canon and bringing up a real life break up is true (subreddits can be biased with it’s info), there might be more to this than just “Viv didn’t get enough attention on her birthday”.

We all get angry from time to time and make mistakes, but don't worry, I'd forgive you as you've been a mostly great poster and have supported me from time to time, especially in the thread I run. I do wish I phrased the earlier one better lol, cause what happened wasn't really my intention and I was laughing at the obsessive VDS sufferer in the tweet- so maybe I should be the one apologizing for my laziness or at least giving a better explanation.

And yes, never, ever underestimate the sheer autistic screeching, tantrums and rampaging retardation of the shipping community. Both pro-shippers/anti-antis and anti-shippers are mostly absolutely fucking retarded, with their slapfights being excellent saltmines. Death threats and harassment against show staff has happened before (like in the case of Steven Universe's Peridot), so that's a given.

 

[ButtNakedKnees]

Alastor is ace, the forgotten orientation.
I can see how Vizzie would get angry over those shipping him with Charlie.

As someone who is Ace, you can have relationships. If by "forgotten" you mean constantly mislabeled as anti-relationship or anti-sex than I agree with you.

 

[Private Pyle]

As someone who is Ace, you can have relationships. If by "forgotten" you mean constantly mislabeled as anti-relationship or anti-sex than I agree with you.

Interestingly enough Alastor is also confirmed to be aromantic, meaning he probably went be in any relationship that’s above platonic, assuming he ever warms up to the others.
Which is fine be me since it means one character who won’t be dragged by in show romantic bullshit.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

As someone who is Ace, you can have relationships. If by "forgotten" you mean constantly mislabeled as anti-relationship or anti-sex than I agree with you.

...neither, though your latter explanation is closer to my aims.
My aims are that you mainly see suppor towards gay stuff, then lesbian stuff, then bi stuff, with pan stuff being a meme a this point. Pro-ace stuff is mostly invisible (even in Tumblr), actually.

 

[Kurtis Trent]

The crazy thing is that many Hazbin Critical blogs, even Rootbeergoddess (Nicole) are actually defending Viv. Did I wake up in a parallel universe or something? Because it seems like minds/mentalities/personalities have been swapped on that day.

Damn bro, that sucks.

Mod Devil. I'm not here to hear you defend Vivzie. I'm just here to exist. Pronouns are they/he.

devils-advocutie.tumblr.com

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https://what-the-hazbin.tumblr.com/

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But lunacy aside, I've found links explaining the drama and they seem to have some good information regarding it. Damn the spergery and autism is fucking hilarious.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/jjxywm/discourse_on_the_twitter_hashtag/

https://tw.tinf.io/GothGirlWannabe/status/1321698416913649665

https://tw.tinf.io/search?q=charlastor&src=typed_query

Good Lord, rooty is being SANE???
Is this a Purgatory? Did the world end in 2012?

idc about this shit but Viv is allowed to show a dislike for a ship she has no interest in canonizing anyway. Why is this a big deal?
Besides if she was supportive of the ship in any way, they'd be accusing her of "baiting." There's no win for her

 

[The Fair Lady]

Interestingly enough Alastor is also confirmed to be aromantic, meaning he probably went be in any relationship that’s above platonic, assuming he ever warms up to the others.
Which is fine be me since it means one character who won’t be dragged by in show romantic bullshit.

Ever since Alastor was confirmed aroace it was obvious that any ships involving him wouldn't happen, plus Viv has a metaphorical hard-on for Chaggie and would sooner die than make Charlie single. She's apparently said that ships won't be a focus and we can only hope that remains true.

That said, Viv doesn't hate Charlastor. She just clearly doesn't like the militant shippers that have screeched at her to make it canon, petitions and all.

 

[AnOminous]

That said, Viv doesn't hate Charlastor. She just clearly doesn't like the militant shippers that have screeched at her to make it canon, petitions and all.

The full SJW position would be that shipping a character like that is some kind of erasure and inherently problematic. It almost doesn't really matter what direction you come at it from though, the ship sucks, shipping sucks, the people doing this shit suck.

 

[GaddafyTheLooneyDuck]

It was literally a coincidence that it was on her Birthday but not a coincidence that it was on the anniversary. She also previously said any ship is fine but has proceeded to suggest that not any shipping is fine. It's hard being all inclusive when your such a control freak and people aren't playing with your toys the way you want them too.

Also the only way it would bother someone to see ship art is if they did not like the ship. She seems to be fine selling Charlie and Alastor merch mysteriously packaged together. Makes it seem like she puts on a smile to sell merch but really just wants people to support her canon and any "threat" to that she considers rude.

If anything the picture of her sitting on her computer all day on her Birthday scrolling through twitter seething over some dumb ship art is hilarious.

Vivzie actually appears to be fine with the ship and often likes, and sometimes retweets Charlastor art.

Of course she is being a lulzy arrogant brat and in a way contributed to that shipper insanity herself, but that aside, Viv could also interpret it as shippers bombarding her on purpose. Hence why I said that her negative reaction, while not to be defended, is kinda understandable.

But assuming the shipping wars, pestering to make a ship canon and bringing up a real life break up is true (subreddits can be biased with it’s info), there might be more to this than just “Viv didn’t get enough attention on her birthday”.

As I already wrote previously, "pestering to make a ship canon" is a thing in Charlastor circles. Add to that lunatics who draw and write shite where Vaggie gets slaughtered by Charlie or Alastor, so they can be together.


By the way, there is one interesting thing I saw a whole ago. Some bloke screenshotted a tweet where one Charlastor nut was pestering Viv about making it canon, after Vivienne apparently stated in one of her streams that she will think about it, which already sounds quite baffling. No idea if this is true, when and what stream in question this came from, but is there someone who can shed some light on this?

 

[The Fair Lady]

By the way, there is one interesting thing I saw a whole ago. Some bloke screenshotted a tweet where one Charlastor nut was pestering Viv about making it canon, after Vivienne apparently stated in one of her streams that she will think about it, which already sounds quite baffling. No idea if this is true, when and what stream in question this came from, but is there someone who can shed some light on this?

In one of the older streams Ashley and Viv joked that if enough people made fanart of Charlastor she'd consider making it canon. Their sarcasm was blatant.

The vast majority of Charlastor shippers know and have accepted that it's never going to happen.

 

[Spergenschütz]

Episode 1 is out.

 

[Uncle June]

Pretty good first episode, though the demon chick's new voice threw me off.

 

[Racist Trash]

New Millie voice is too deep, the old one done by the loona's VA was better.

Edit: And it really is a shame that Stola's VA had to change it definitely wasn't a change for the better.

Edit 2: Overall I enjoyed it shame about the VA changes.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

Um, how did Milly get caught?

 

[Yamma Damma]

Episode 1 is out.

Wow that was good. And they actually fixed the biggest critique from the pilot: The flashbacks were clearly conveyed as flashbacks and not Family Guy-style cutaways. Stolas' new voice okay but Millie's doesn't fit. The high pitch added to her peppy personality. The deep one is kind of flat.

In one of the older streams Ashley and Viv joked that if enough people made fanart of Charlastor she'd consider making it canon. Their sarcasm was blatant.

The vast majority of Charlastor shippers know and have accepted that it's never going to happen.

In a world of reboots, purity tests and # tirades/campaigns, any off-the-cuff joke is taken as a serious thing you believe or a promise now. And that shits annoying. Sometimes funny but sucks if you have to address it. The internet never forgets after all.

 

[Racist Trash]

Went to watch the credits again to see who were the new Stolas and Millie VAs and I didn't know that Richard Horwoitz is also the Voice Director.

Nu Stolas is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce_Pinkham

Nu Millie is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Nixon