EU High rate of army dropouts pushes German forces to ‘breaking point’ - One in four new recruits drops out within six months of joining

High rate of army dropouts pushes German forces to ‘breaking point’
Financial Times (archive.ph)
By Laura Pitel
2025-03-11 14:32:32GMT

One in four new recruits to the German armed forces drops out within six months of joining, according to the nation’s military watchdog who warned that personnel shortages were pushing troops “to breaking point”.

Eva Högl, the commissioner for the armed forces in the German parliament, said that despite some success in recruitment, poor retention meant that the armed forces had come no closer to meeting their target of having 203,000 soldiers by 2031.

Instead, the total force size had fallen slightly to just over 181,000 at a time when Germany is pledging to do more to bolster Europe’s own defences in the face of a potential US retreat from the continent.

“The Bundeswehr is shrinking and getting older,” Högl said as she presented her annual report on the state of the Bundeswehr, noting that the average age had risen to 34 years — up from 33.1 years in 2021. “This development must be stopped and reversed as a matter of urgency.

She added: “I said the troops are challenged, but they are also very overburdened. I’ll go as far as to say they’re at breaking point. When we look at where our Bundeswehr is needed — for national defence, [Nato] alliance defence, international crisis management — it is a lot. And it really is at the limit.”

Högl’s warning comes as Europe reckons with US President Donald Trump’s decision to end support for Ukraine — and faces the prospect that Washington could end its postwar commitment to providing security guarantees for the continent.

Speaking as US and Ukrainian diplomatic delegations met in Saudi Arabia to discuss ending the war with Russia, Högl said that it was “premature” to talk about sending troops to Ukraine to police a possible future ceasefire between Kyiv and Moscow.

But, adding that Europe’s largest and richest nation would want to take responsibility, she said that it was important for politicians to consider what the Bundeswehr could actually handle and what was “no longer possible”.

Högl said that, despite the alarming personnel picture, the German armed forces had made significant progress in the past few years after decades of under-investment.

She heaped praise on Boris Pistorius — the popular German defence minister who like her is a member of the Social Democrats — for his efforts to drive reform. She said that, after years of endless delays, some things were finally improving thanks to outgoing Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s 2022 announcement of a “watershed moment” (Zeitenwende) in German security and defence and the unveiling of a €100bn fund for the armed forces. Friedrich Merz, the winner of last month’s federal elections, last week announced a plan to allow unlimited borrowing to finance higher defence spending in order to continue that overhaul.

As evidence of the improvement, Högl said that the German navy’s elite diving force Eckernförde “finally have their diving practice hall” after 13 years of waiting for it.

Soldiers had received a new 110-litre backpack, she said. And the military had successfully procured 60,000 hearing protection headsets that muffled the noise of gunfire and enabled troops to communicate while shooting.

After “considerable delays” in the introduction of the new digital radio system, several battalions in 2024 successfully adopted the new tool, the report said.

However, the roughly 700 German soldiers currently serving as a part a multinational battlegroup in Lithuania — a key plank of protecting Nato’s eastern flank from Russian aggression — still did not have the system at the end of last year. Instead they were having to use a workaround involving encrypted satellite-supported communications.

Högl said that this was one of many problems that continued to blight the Bundeswehr, including lack of digitalisation, overbearing bureaucracy that “strains the patience and nerves of everyone involved” and the “disastrous state” of some barracks.

She gave the example of a defective set of hall doors at a military base in Koblenz that had caused serious injuries, including the loss of fingertips. But the replacement of the doors, which has been needed since 2017, did not take place in 2024 and was only scheduled to begin this year.
 
It turns out nobody really likes the rules-based liberal order and men won't lay their lives down for a country that treats them as a second class citizen in their own homeland. I foresee conscription in Europe's future as the eurolibs desperately resort to naked force to prop up their crumbling societies.
I have talked to people who are trying to decide whether to go to jail or shoot their officers if this happens. The only question now is when. Europeon armies do not have the luxury of size that America does and the desperation will hit much sooner.

Putin would make a lot of friends if he started supplying right wing insurgencies throughout Europe and elsewhere. NRA fantasies notwithstanding, it is true that deer rifles do very little by themselves. Frump's assassin was deliberately not noticed while he set up, which is not something one can count on, and no American wants their whole community to get the Waco treatment for trying to make a stand together.

But if people are actually able to make thuggary difficult - if the local Stasi have to check doorstops for claymore wires every time they go to arrest someone for wrongthink or a FBI goonmobile takes an RPG round amidships when raiding somewhere for (gasp) selling gold coins...the authorities will suddenly find themselves forced to take a step back.
 
Literally a case of "Why die for Danzig Donbas?"
I remember texting this line to my buddy when I first saw news that the Russians invaded.

Putin would make a lot of friends if he started supplying right wing insurgencies throughout Europe and elsewhere.

This assumes there's anyone in Western Europe that both a) is right wing extremist thats radical enough to start blowing shit up about it and b) would have the testicular fortitude to try. I suspect he wouldn't find many takers, if any.

America doesn't even have that. Since the end of the cold war, our craziest right wingers' magnum opus was getting rope-a-doped by the Catboy Fuhrer and the FBI on 1/6/21. Nearly everyone in the West that is willing to use political violence at scale is left wing, and does so with the implicit and explicit blessing of the elites. The rightoids are pretty much all bark and no bite.
 
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Beyond even the issues with getting guys to sign up, if you join the German Army, you end up like this:


It never even occurred to this poor sap to use a tripod-based machine gun on full auto until the American told him. You could probably conquer Germany with 5 fat black guys in mall cop kit and a toyota camry.

Germany’s standard machine gun (all 7 of them) is the MG3, which is pretty much the MG42 from yesteryear. It’s notable for its obscene rate of fire, so the soldier is actually firing the M2 in a way that would be correct for the MG3 since that’s what they’re familiar with.
 
Aren't germans so cucked that their army isn't allowed to train for more than X amount of hours per week?
Don't want to be "too prepared" I guess. No wonder there is simply no drive to join the army anymore, let alone succeed in it.
What is "X" hours? That could be anyway from 4 to 80. This is a needless post.
 
I remember texting this line to my buddy when I first saw news that the Russians invaded.



This assumes there's anyone in Western Europe that both a) is right wing extremist thats radical enough to start blowing shit up about it and b) would have the testicular fortitude to try. I suspect he wouldn't find many takers, if any.

America doesn't even have that. Since the end of the cold war, our craziest right wingers' magnum opus was getting rope-a-doped by the Catboy Fuhrer and the FBI on 1/6/21. Nearly everyone in the West that is willing to use political violence at scale is left wing, and does so with the implicit and explicit blessing of the elites. The rightoids are pretty much all bark and no bite.
Timothy McVeigh would like a word.
 
And that says everything about the priorities of the German military in 2025.
That's not too bad at least. Better personal equipment is gonna have a direct effect at least. But what the Bundeswehr really needs, and what's unlikely to actually happen, is a full restructuring and streamlining. Procurement processes are heavily bureaucratic, yet at the same time can be extremely wasteful. There's never any budget for upkeep, and machines all deteriorate. I doubt that that's going to change, even though the current defense minister seems to be a bit more focused on actually getting shit done compared to his predecessors, who mostly focused on getting more women into the army and making sure the APCs had air control suitable for pregnant women.
EU comissioner Ursula Von der Leyen used to be defense minister here. She wasted a shitload of money on McKinsey consulting contracts (hey, fun fact, two of her kids are with McKinsey) and for some reason tried to get rid of Heckler & Koch as the main infantry firearms supplier.

A fun part about the Bundeswehr is that every shot fired has to be accounted for, so soldiers during practice get a fixed amount of bullets and have to sign off on them and have to sign off on having fired them all. If they even get ammo, often they just shout BANG BANG during maneuvers. Even international ones. Which is sad.
/edit: Oh, it was already posted. It's a classic.
 
The Germans need to go back to oldschool propaganda glorifying the armed forces. It has worked twice before...

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Difficult to have an army when you close down a special forces unit with 1400 soldiers because 20 of them think Hitler is misunderstood
Also kinda hard to have an elite unit in an environment where thinking of yourself as "elite" is heavily frowned upon. The whole idea/ethos of the Bundeswehr is that of the "Staatsbürger in Uniform", the citizen in uniform. That clashes with how highly trained professional soldiers and specialists usually see themselves. Personally I'd definitely prefer the less elitist view when one considers how batshit insane the Navy SEALs get and so on...
I think the German special forces, KSK, KSM, GSG9, had a pretty decent reputation among other special forces units, but I might be wrong. The KSK has been reformed since then, and their base has a visitor center now, which I find funny considering the secrecy around American special forces for example. Also, now special forces soldiers can only remain on the KSK for a limited time before having to serve in the regular branches for a while until they're allowed back with the KSK. Not a bad idea, should keep them grounded.

The Bundeswehr and the Luftwaffe need a drastic and complete overhaul of their whole bureaucratic structures. Things are just so inefficient, they got a 100 billion Euro special fund and practically nothing happened with it (ok, much of that went directly to the Ukies, of course), and now the German government wants to massively raise funding, but as long as the structures don't change, all that money will just evaporate. Now I do think that many of the generals and so on really do just want to do good work, but the defense ministers of the past decades have fucked things up. The current one for once doesn't seem all that incompetent or outright malicious (still looking at you, Ursula von der Leyen, and also you, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer [why the FUCK do those hags always have the longest, shittiest names?]), so maybe there's a possibility that there's gonna be some positive change. Our politicians are not scared of the people so they can do whatever domestically, but I think they are getting scared that the US isn't come to help us if Russia actually starts shit with the rest of Europe.
But none of that matters if nobody wants to become and stay a soldier. Understandable, who wants to die for a country that hates them, especially when everyone has been educated to hate the country as well? There's talk about reinstating the draft, but that doesn't really do much.
We spent decades rooting out patriotism and telling ourselves that Germany doesn't really exist beyond what it says on the passport, and now they expect people to be willing to die for it? Many young people voted far right, but they're not wanted by the army. The migrant background percentage of the populace is somewhere north of 30% at this point probably, and even those with a German citizenship who could become soldiers are unlikely to be willing to. Depending on background, they don't often see themselves as German, so why die for Germany? Let the stupid Germans do that.
Demographics are a bitch. They can try to draft people, but I doubt that they'd be willing to properly motivate Zoomers the way it would be needed.
In case of war, Germany is done for. Really, even if just a fraction of the refugees are islamist sleepers, we're done for if they decided to take over key points.
 
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