Hogwarts Legacy - Harry Potter open world RPG (no trannies allowed)

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SiccDicc said:
Less diversity would be nice, too. Nothing like playing a game set in 1800's England and having a bunch of Africans wandering around and one even bragging that her school in Africa is better than Hogwarts...
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I agree, but I also find this a little hard to get upset over, because Harry Potter worldbuilding has always been retarded and nonsensical. I mean, if the Wizarding World really decoupled from the muggle world in the 1600s or whatever, why is the Irish national Quidditch team using the contemporary Irish flag? And I'm pretty sure Wizards use enchanted modern-day appliances, like radios.

At that point a few diversity hires don't really bother me as much as they should.
 
Weltraumfürst said:
I agree, but I also find this a little hard to get upset over, because Harry Potter worldbuilding has always been retarded and nonsensical. I mean, if the Wizarding World really decoupled from the muggle world in the 1600s or whatever, why is the Irish national Quidditch team using the contemporary Irish flag? And I'm pretty sure Wizards use enchanted modern-day appliances, like radios.

At that point a few diversity hires don't really bother me as much as they should.
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I'm going to respectively disagree and explain why. Not about whether or not it should bother you personally, that's whatever. But the question of immersion vs. believability is a false one. Lets use your Irish flag example. The large majority of movie goers, especially the target audience for Harry Potter, aren't going to know much about Irish history, about what flag they should have. They're only going to know the current real Irish flag. Immersion is about matching what the viewer expects. To YOU, the real Irish flag is immersion breaking because you know your history and you think "that doesn't make sense". To most viewers, it matches what they expect from the Irish. Hell, you and I could easily find a dozen examples of things where what a viewer would expect doesn't make sense if you think about it. But immersion follows expectation, for the most part. Not always, but I think you see where I'm coming from. I mean, just start with the school uniforms and architecture and fashions which plainly derive from Muggle standards. If the wizarding world really did fork off from the muggle world in the 1600s why do they have trading cards and a bloody STEAM ENGINE TRAIN?

But a steam engine train enhances the audience immersion because it looks oldey-timey to them. A modern electric train would break their immersion and a... I don't know, a line of forty horse and carts that moved at comically absurd speeds would look dumb even if that would fit more with the capabilities of magic and with the time period it supposedly branched off.

Harry Potter universe has a lot of things that don't make a great deal of sense. But the setting draws people in by building on the FEEL of its time period and for that reason, a remove Scottish region having more non-White people than White makes that atmosphere weird. It fucks with the feeling. I mean it threw me off and I'm not even racist. God knows what it's like for them!

Also, I'll make an observation. The games creators love to throw in people from lots of foreign nations. But all of the foreign nations are non-White. I think. You have Indian, Ugandan, other sub-Saharan, Japanese and others all over the place. Where are the Germans or Russians or Turks or Swedish? None that I recall. The game producers are all about race.
 
SiccDicc said:
Less diversity would be nice, too. Nothing like playing a game set in 1800's England and having a bunch of Africans wandering around and one even bragging that her school in Africa is better than Hogwarts...
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We've been over this before.

The reason there's so many minorities at Hogwarts are because it's the height of the British empire, and you automatically gain citizenship by being born in one of its territories. Being magic and a British citizen is all you need to qualify to go to the school.
 
Bunny Tracks said:
We've been over this before.

The reason there's so many minorities at Hogwarts are because it's the height of the British empire, and you automatically gain citizenship by being born in one of its territories. Being magic and a British citizen is all you need to qualify to go to the school.
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Wait, since when did wizards pledge allegiance to the British Crown?
SiccDicc said:
Less diversity would be nice, too.
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Oh, so a group of Scots, Welsh, English, Irish and Cornish men and women are less "diverse" because they all share the same skin tone? Really?
 
Bunny Tracks said:
We've been over this before.

The reason there's so many minorities at Hogwarts are because it's the height of the British empire, and you automatically gain citizenship by being born in one of its territories. Being magic and a British citizen is all you need to qualify to go to the school.
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Not at that ratio and they have schools in Africa -- which is mentioned and you are told is actually better if I remember right, something about actually teaching magic through hands instead of wands. Besides England kept a lot of their colonies at bay for the most part, they didn't import people... they typically exported them like they did with the Irish.
Gog & Magog said:
Oh, so a group of Scots, Welsh, English, Irish and Cornish men and women are less "diverse" because they all share the same skin tone? Really?
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There shouldn't be any Irish, either. You saw the sign.
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I'm currently campaigning for the dogs, however.
 
@Overly Serious

I don’t disagree, but I'm looking at the setting purely in terms of internal consistency. I will also say that I believe that only the movie used the Irish tricolor, if memory serves right, in the books, the color of the Irish team was only green.

My point still stands, the internal consistency of the setting is still fucked, so whatever. I think this is a matter of opinion.
 
Weltraumfürst said:
@Overly Serious

I don’t disagree, but I'm looking at the setting purely in terms of internal consistency. I will also say that I believe that only the movie used the Irish tricolor, if memory serves right, in the books, the color of the Irish team was only green.

My point still stands, the internal consistency of the setting is still fucked, so whatever. I think this is a matter of opinion.
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The point you make is fine, and was never challenged by me. But the context this arose in was a discussion of whether the Diversity hurt the immersion and I think my explanation of why internal consistency isn't the be all and end all of immersion and how in fact, depending on the audience, can actually hurt immersion, still stands.

Firstly, it feels weird and forced that White people seem to be almost a minority in early 19th Century Britain. It does damage immersion. And as you have a great love of internal consistency I'll ask why Diversity is a couple of orders magnitude greater two hundred years ago than it is today. Did Dumbledore institute some kind of racial limits at Hogwarts? No - it's inconsistent even with the preceding books and movies. If in the original novels Hogwarts has been presented as some kind of international centre for wizarding education and started off with a massively racially diverse population, then the game set over a century before could have done the same and it been consistent. But it was not and so even if you raise the issue of internal consistency, it's an argument that the Diversity harms immersion. And I'll remind people that it's not just the pupils who are like this, so it's not just exchange students. The villages are populated with huge amounts of Diversity, too.

And to the poster who attempted to say Welsh, Scottish and Irish were Diversity for White people, that's a technicality and you know it. If it's really about Hogwarts being some international centre of education (it isn't), where are the Russian, Balkan, Turkish, whatever peoples? They think in terms of race in this game. It is obvious to anybody who plays it.
 
starborn427614 said:
It's still so funny to me that Seamus Finnigan, the most prominent Irish character in the franchise, is known for handling explosives. They say a lot of things about JK, but her comedy writing is top notch.
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I don't think this was something that actually happened in the books. Same as making Durmstrang and Beauxbatons seemingly single-sex and super masculine/feminine.

I also don't think it makes a lot of sense canon/universe-wise that Hogwarts is that diverse, but (aside from general modern day wokeness) I suppose one could argue that HP is popular worldwide and they wanted to make everyone feel included. This game is supposed to appeal to a wide demographic (and probably generally a younger one). And the looks of background NPCs don't make the game significantly better or worse in the long run. The tranny is fucking annoying though and should not exist.

SiccDicc said:
Every other language dub it's a woman's voice if I remember right, only the English must suffer this.
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The German one was definitely not a female voice.

I had a good laugh though when a friend sent me his first reaction after the tranny encounter: "There is no way that person is actually a woman."
 
Der weiße Teufel said:
I don't think this was something that actually happened in the books. Same as making Durmstrang and Beauxbatons seemingly single-sex and super masculine/feminine.
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Seamus had the issue of being a terrible alchemist and things consistently exploding in Potions class as a result. Durmstrang is a bunch of Slavs and Beauxbatons French, so them being masculine and femmy is... well, what were you expecting, an Englishwoman to not go all-in on Continental stereotypes, especially regarding the Fr*nch?
 
There were definitely boys from Beauxbatons in the book, but I don’t think they were there in the movies. I don’t believe there were any girls in the Durmstrang group, though, in book or movie.

In the books at least, magical children don’t have to attend Hogwarts - Voldemort makes it compulsory when he takes over the government as a means to control the population, but magical families could choose to send their children to other schools or even not to send them to school at all. Marvolo Gaunt, Voldemort’s maternal grandfather, keeps his children at home and isolated so he could abuse and control them further. Draco Malfoy mentions that his parents had thrown around the idea of sending him to Durmstrang instead of Hogwarts. However, the magical community is very small and insulated and so nearly all of the wizarding families of Great Britain would choose to send their children to Hogwarts.

Students at Hogwarts do not pay tuition; they merely have to supply their own clothes, tools, and personal items. It appears the school is cheap to run and funded largely on donations, as the teachers aren’t paid particularly well and the staff is 90% house elves.
 
Mayhem said:
Students at Hogwarts do not pay tuition; they merely have to supply their own clothes, tools, and personal items. It appears the school is cheap to run and funded largely on donations, as the teachers aren’t paid particularly well and the staff is 90% house elves.
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But occasionally students pay with their lives. Makes me wonder how that letter would sound: "Dear Mr and Mrs x. We are deeply sorry that your child was eaten by a Basilisk. Sincerly Hogwarts Director"
 
Couple hours into Hogwarts Legacy, I believe it's too early to make a decent first impressions take of the game. I've never read or saw any Harry Potter material.

The Three Butterbeans bartender, Sorina, is she the transgender one? I was surprised to find out she has a deep manly voice.

I love the dialogue options it presents to you with main and side quests. I was confused of a lack of morality system; but so far, it suits the game's intention of making your character your OWN with your interpretation of "good" or "bad." Whether these options play a role in the story remains to be see. It's third person, but not over the shoulder like God of War or The Last of Us. It's been a while since I've played that sort of third person game.

I have noticed bugs with visuals and AI pathfinding. Nothing gamebreaking, but distracting for a next gen game. I have the Deluxe Edition, which comes with a few articles of clothing. Does clothing affect your stats?
 
The Last Stand said:
I love the dialogue options it presents to you with main and side quests. I was confused of a lack of morality system; but so far, it suits the game's intention of making your character your OWN with your interpretation of "good" or "bad." Whether these options play a role in the story remains to be see. It's third person, but not over the shoulder like God of War or The Last of Us. It's been a while since I've played that sort of third person game.

I have noticed bugs with visuals and AI pathfinding. Nothing gamebreaking, but distracting for a next gen game. I have the Deluxe Edition, which comes with a few articles of clothing. Does clothing affect your stats?
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Yes, Sirona is supposed to be the tranny, but it’s pretty subtle. The character has a decent-sized role in the first half of the game, but is hardly mentioned in the second half.

I’m making my way through the second act and heading into the third. I really don’t think your character in the game can go all that dark, but you can make choices about learning and using the Unforgivable Curses (torture, mind control, murder). However, you can kill (or “defeat”) a lot of enemies in a lot of creative ways. You don’t get much choice in terms of avoiding fights, so in a way, your character is encouraged to fight and develop his or her combat skills. Clothing will affect your stats, so keep an eye out for the gold Legendary items. You can also change the appearance of anything you wear, so although there are clothes everywhere, there’s really no need to keep a huge inventory of them.

I’m almost 80 hours in but I am going very slow because I want to get to Level 40. I can hardly fly anywhere without finding more enemies to kill (“defeat”). I pretty much just run through the countryside, picking fights and doing all of the side quests. I really enjoy the game so much, but I’m not sure how it would come across to someone who is not a fan of the franchise.
 
In other news, I got my girlfriend the Switch version for Christmas and played bit, myself. I'm a few hours in and, while it doesn't seem to be exactly the Hogwarts simulator I always dreamed of, I guess it's close enough. The random diversity is noticeable, but, as I've said, I can stomach it, personally.

That tranny, however...
 
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