Home Fermentation - Kombucha, Kefir, Kimchi, Sourdough, Yoghurt, etc

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Fermented kiwis, I need some help.

I have tried three times to make a ginger bug to then make ginger bug sodas.
I have ended with this horrid smelling and tasting concoction that barely bubbles (if it bubbles at all). Internet recipes and chatGPT questions aren't very helpful.

I want to try this once more before I just start making kombucha (you can't make a cola flavored kombucha can you?)
I do have experience and gear to brew cider and beer (But I have given up drinking in the last year completely), so I could use that, but ginger bug seemed easy because people made it in a single jar.
 
Fermented kiwis, I need some help.

I have tried three times to make a ginger bug to then make ginger bug sodas.
I have ended with this horrid smelling and tasting concoction that barely bubbles (if it bubbles at all). Internet recipes and chatGPT questions aren't very helpful.

I want to try this once more before I just start making kombucha (you can't make a cola flavored kombucha can you?)
I do have experience and gear to brew cider and beer (But I have given up drinking in the last year completely), so I could use that, but ginger bug seemed easy because people made it in a single jar.
Sadly not the answer you want, but you can make a good ginger kombucha. I've given the fermenting up as it too much attention for something I dont drink often enough (too many calories for this fat kiwi) to justify not just purchasing.

As for cola, probably not naturally. But cola flavorings could be added after ferment. Idk what you'd get though.

I haven't attempted a ginger bug
 
you can't make a cola flavored kombucha can you?
I don't have direct experience with kombucha, but my experience with similar drinks as well as some cursory searches says you probably can. For example, I found a Reddit thread and some TikTok videos shows people making and using a cola-flavored syrup in kombucha with no issue.
The linked video even puts the cola syrup in with the scoby for the primary ferment which would worry me. My first instinct is to do PF with pure intended food (tea in this case) and then add wacky flavorings in the 2F where I can go wild without worrying about ruining the scoby.

Even if you have a hard time making a perfect cola clone (which is likely), the sky's the limit on flavorings with these kind of yeasty beverages such that I'm sure you can find something you like. When it comes to flavoring your 2F, anything goes and as long as your scoby is safe the worst that can happen is you ruin one batch.

I don't have experience with ginger bugs or any other natural yeast ferments, but I can't praise the strength and consistency of scoby ferments enough so I'd recommend giving booch or water kefir (a drink similar to kombucha that I've tried) another look. Good luck!
 
Fermented kiwis, I need some help.

I have tried three times to make a ginger bug to then make ginger bug sodas.
I have ended with this horrid smelling and tasting concoction that barely bubbles (if it bubbles at all). Internet recipes and chatGPT questions aren't very helpful.

I want to try this once more before I just start making kombucha (you can't make a cola flavored kombucha can you?)
I do have experience and gear to brew cider and beer (But I have given up drinking in the last year completely), so I could use that, but ginger bug seemed easy because people made it in a single jar.
Your ginger might have been irradiated, which extends shelf life by killing all the native yeasts and bacteria on the root. Get FDA Organic ginger which isn’t irradiated. If you have some other drink-related fermentation going on, you can add a touch of that to get your starter going. Otherwise you just have to really double check and sanitize all your equipment.
 
You'd be surprised how effective home brewing is. We've got a ginger bug that we've kept alive almost going on 2 years. Found a shitton of carbouys in the old root cellar.
For my homies that want to start, I do not recommend buying the sealing bottles from brewery or fermentation places. There's an old beer brand, Grolsch, that's what I recommend. Can sometimes find lots of 50 or 60 on ebay for $20. $5 to replace all the little rubber seals. And endlessly reusable.
We keep a rotation of homemade wines, ciders, ginger beer, mulberry soda, etc... stocked in the cabinet. My favorite, because we've got so much wild sassafras, is homemade root beer. If none of you have ever tried a homemade root beer, it tastes like a cowboy potion. You feel your chest hair growing compared to even the best store bought shit.
Also, get a clay pot with water seal for your kimchi/sauerkraut. You won't regret it.
 
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MAKING YOUR OWN YOGURT:

Ingredients:
1/4 cup plain active culture, high-quality yogurt
4 cups of whole milk (try not to use ultra-pasteurized/ultra-homogenized)

Materials:
1 quart jar
cheesecloth/coffee filters/paper towels (optional)
fine mesh sieve (optional)
heavy saucepan
thermometer

Heat 4 cups milk in saucepan over medium heat until it reaches 185-200°F, stirring frequently to prevent a skin from forming. Once it reaches that temperature, remove pan from heat and allow milk to cool to 100-115°F. This is fastest in an ice bath or placed into your fridge/freezer.

Place 1/4 cup of yogurt in 1 quart jar. Add 1/2 cup of scalded milk to yogurt, stirring until thoroughly mixed. Add remaining milk, stir again. Put jar in a warm place to ferment for 4-8 hours (I prefer 8, the longer ferment means thicker yogurt). You can place it in your oven, wrapped in a tea towel with the light on and the light should be enough to keep it warm, but if you're worried, turn the oven on for 1 minute every couple hours and that'll be plenty.

When 8 hours is up, stir again and you will have 1 quart of plain yogurt. If you prefer greek yogurt, you can strain the yogurt through a cheesecloth/coffee filter/paper towel- lined sieve, and you will get a smaller yield of greek yogurt (typically 1 pint of greek yogurt and some whey). Don't throw out the whey, you can use it as a protein additive for soups and smoothies. Sweeten/flavor your yogurt as desired (I prefer 1 tbsp of honey per cup yogurt)

Once you have made yogurt once with store-bought, you can set aside some unsweetened homemade yogurt and use it to make your next batch, ad infinitum. Never give money to big yogurt again. Yogurt will stay good in a sealed container for 5 days (honestly probably closer to a week).
 
Home Fermented Sauerkraut:

Why?
(1)
It's nutritionally dense compared to raw or cooked cabbage due to the massively increased bioavability of vitamins and minerals. Also a very good source of fiber.
(2) An excellent source of probiotic lactobacillus. Gut health is important to brain health.
(3) Cheap and easy to make. Small initial investment / basically foolproof.
(4) Decent storage profile. If prepared and stored properly, is RT stable for months. The reason for this is that any contaminating bacteria / moulds have to compete with a massive culture of lactobacilli. I've never had a batch spoil before consuming.
(5) Tasty (as a side dish). Tbh, pickled, vinegar-based sauerkraut (non-probiotic) is the go-to for hotdogs etc. Fermented kraut has a more bold, slightly peppery flavor. Best consumed as a daily compliment to meals for flavor and heath benefits. You can always add vinegar and pickle any leftovers.
(6) Fermentation is a based, ancient technology thats good for you. Also fun and interesting.

What?
* A medium / large sized cabbage.
* Non-iodized salt (sea salt etc).
* A 1 litre, wide-mouth mason jar with lid.
* An airlock.
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* A "sauerstone". Basically glass weights. I bought three over a decade ago, They will last your lifetime.
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* Silicone for sealing the airlock (debateable).
* A pestle of some sort.
* A little bit of patience.

How?
I.
Clean all equipment. I use a very mild bleach solution. Also clean hands.
II. Fine chop the cabbage. Use a knife. Put in large bowl. Don't use a food processor!
III. Add salt at a 2% w/w ratio. i.e 2 grams salt per 100 grams cabbage. Mix with clean hands.
IV. Let sit for 15- 20 mins or until cabbage loses water and forms brine. You can use the pestle to draw out more water.
V. Pack the cabbage and brine into the mason jar. Use the pestle to really pack it down. Fill the jar.
VI. After another 20 - 30 mins, the brine should be near the top of the jar.
VII. Make a small hole in the mason jar lid. Insert the airlock. Seal it with silicone to make it airtight. Screw the lid on the jar and wait 10 - 14 days. Store in a cooler. dark place. Make sure the airlock doesnt run dry.
VIII. After sampling - put the sauerstone back on the kraut. Refrigerate if electricity still exists.

Notes:
- Add a bit of shredded carrot. I don't but whatever. Don't add onion, garlic or anything that will impede/ kill the fermentaion
- You can add red cabbage but use very sparingly. It has a very overpowering pepper flavor, Actually avoid it, lol.
- Thank you @Null for creating this board. You drew me out of retirement.
- I'm open to questions on fermenting vegetables as well as past experiences with fermenting and distilling alcohol.
 

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Fermented kiwis, I need some help.

I have tried three times to make a ginger bug to then make ginger bug sodas.
I have ended with this horrid smelling and tasting concoction that barely bubbles (if it bubbles at all). Internet recipes and chatGPT questions aren't very helpful.

I want to try this once more before I just start making kombucha (you can't make a cola flavored kombucha can you?)
I do have experience and gear to brew cider and beer (But I have given up drinking in the last year completely), so I could use that, but ginger bug seemed easy because people made it in a single jar.
I have been super lazy when I have made ginger beer before, I have simply added a bit of bread yeast (quarter teaspoon) from my jar of yeast. Most will tell you that bread yeast makes for a poor but passible beer. But given the strong flavors of ginger beer, and most people are NOT making alcoholic ginger beer, they are just fermenting to get carbonation it tastes perfectly fine.

Now if you are shooting for a natural ginger bug, as other people have noted, your ginger root make have been irradiated.

First off, I would make sure that your jar and food source (sugar mixture) has been boiled.

You can get yeast off of just about any piece of organic fruit. So maybe try inoculating your your sugar syrup food source with peels of peaches, plums, apple, cucumber, whole grapes (or just the skins) or other fruits. Since you are just trying to make your starter culture, don't worry too much about getting the perfect ginger flavor to start. Go ahead and put more fruit peels in that jar than you think you need just to start. Kind of like putting extra active dry yeast in your bread to get a faster rise.

When Russians make Kvass, they throw in 6 raisins not for the flavor, but to inoculate their bread beer with yeast. That might work for you too.

With that said, make sure you are not killing your yeast. Make sure the temperature doesn't exceed 115 F.

What Is The Best Temperature To Activate Yeast?​

Blooming dry active yeast should be done in 100-115 degrees F (38-46C) water. Fresh yeast and instant dry yeast don’t need to be bloomed. When the dough is proofing, the best temperature for the yeast is between 77-100F (25-38C), yet there are benefits to using cooler proofing temperatures.

Also, keeping your inoculating yeast at the optimum temperature will help them grow faster. I have kept yeast at temperature for yogurt production through methods such as 1) placing jars in a warm water bath in a cooler, or 2) wrapping the jars in towels to keep the warmth in.

And that is just to give the yeast a good kick start so that they dominate the culture.

OK. I threw a lot at you. Let me try and give you a step by step approach that I would actually take.

1) Boil your mason jar and lid to ensure they are clean.
2) Wash & peel a mix (just to make sure one of them has a good yeast culture on the skin) of organic fruit (apple, peach, plum, grape)
3) Boil your sugar water.
4) Wait until you measure the temperature of your sugar water is 114 F or below.
5) Fill that jar half full of your organic fruit peels and 6 raisins. Then pour in your sugar water.
6) Place a lid off your mason jar tight so you can see the bubbly goodness as an indicator of success.
7) Wrap that jar in a towels to help keep it at temperature for a while to give it a good kick start.
8 ) Keep the jar in a good dark place for 3-5 days checking it daily for bubbles and pressure build up by untwisting the lid to release any pressure.
9) When it is bubbling and building up good pressure, I would say you have a good starter culture. Keep in the refrigerator.

When you are ready to make your ginger beer,
1) Make sure your bottle & lids are clean either through boiling or cleaners used in beer making
2) Boil your ginger beer syrup.
3) Wait until it comes down to 114 degrees F
4) Pour it into your ginger beer container, then add in your starter culture.
5) Let your ginger beer culture ferment the same way you did your starter culture. (Keeping it at temperature longer with a towel isn't really necessary but you can try that to speed it up).
6) Once your ginger beer is bubbling vigorously, place it in the refrigerator to knock down the yeast. Enjoy when cold the next day.
7) Use the dregs of your first ginger beer to inoculate your next batch.

The more cycles of ginger beer will eliminate the previous peach, plum, apple or grape flavors that might have come off your initial starter culture.

Or you can just be a lazy bastard like me and use a quarter teaspoon of bread or beer or wine yeast. You can freeze your active dry yeast powders to make sure it lasts.

And with all that said, what I normally do is make sure I have a clean bottle and lid (cheap clean unscented bleach works, check the label), boil the syrup with ginger, since I use plastic 2-litter bottles I let it come back down to room temperature (I don't want plastic leaching into my beverage anymore than and a soda already does) fill the bottle, add the lemon juice (boiling citric acid destroys citric acid), add the yeast (dry yeast, your fruit starter, or prior bottle's inoculation) , stick the bottle in a dark closet, release the pressure each day or two to see when it is ready and then refrigerate when ready. 4-7 days.

Edit: Just on the off chance you are using bottled lemon juice in your recipe, you should stop and use fresh lemon juice or make 100% sure your bottled lemon juice does not contain preservatives. Many fruit juices at the store will contain preservatives to extend their shelf life, including apple juice and even frozen concentrate apple juice. Check ingredient the labels for preservatives, or as we know them, yeast killers.
 
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Make sure your bottle & lids are clean either through boiling cleaners used in beer making
https://www.beercraftr.com/how-to-clean-and-sanitize/ https://archive.ph/wip/3Qdfj
I picked up a quart of Star san the other day to replace sanitizing with liberal amounts of dish soap. I've seen the light and highly recommend it, I was shocked at how concentrated it is- 1 oz of what you buy makes 5 gallons on what you use, so this small container will last me at least a year of consistent brewing.
Using a spray bottle makes application easier and more efficient as well.
 
I am a big home brewer, got into it when living in countries where you can’t get decent booze for a fair price

My most recent win is using “NFC” juice. A lot of places sell it by the liter and it comes with 0 preservatives and it’s packed full of pectin (which you can drop out later with clay or w/e) so the flavor stays really raw to pressing your own apples and you can have it cloudy (if you like that).

I mainly do wines and ciders (hard) Ciders are more fun because I can back sweeten them with all different sorts of weird flavors and it suits cider much better than it would a wine.
 
Craft beer is cheep these days. There's literally no need to pursue this in your kitchen anymore
In atlantic canada a 24 of the cheapest mass produced lager is 50 dollars. So for us it makes a great deal of sense to brew your own. I think 14 dollars of malt extract produces roughly 40-50 beers. Extract doesn't require all the equipment, but tastes perhaps a bit worse.
 
I heard somebody say you can make homemade yoghurt using storebought stuff as a starter in the malck you're gonna use; has anybody tried that specifically?

It's pretty easy. You need:

1/2 gallon WHOLE milk. No 2% or skim if you want it to set.
1 small tub of PLAIN (not vanilla or flavored) yogurt. Choose a brand you like because this is how your yogurt will taste. Mountain High is a good choice, or Fage.
Optional: cup of powdered milk (makes it thicker) or 1/2 pint half and half (makes it deliciouser)

Enough CLEAN, sanitized jars for your project

Clean, sanitized stock pot

Something that will keep the jars at about 105 to 110 degrees F or whatever tf that is in celsius

Candy thermometer or clean finger.

1. Pour milk in stock pot, heat till boiling, remove ftom heat.
2. Let it cool to about 105 degrees (thermometer) or you can keep your finger in for 10 seconds (this isn't a contest -- don't keep it in there till the flesh starts peeling off like you're Paul Atreides with the Bene Gesserit box.
3. Scoop out about 1/2 cup of milk into a clean measuring cup, add about a tablespoon of store bought yogurt, stir to mix well. Note: more yogurt doesn't mean it will set faster or taste better.
4. Pour the mixture back into the rest of the milk and give it a gentle stir.
5. Decant into jars.
6. Put the jars where they will maintain a steady temperatire of 105 to 110 degrees. This could be a pre-warmed oven with the light on, or a slow cooker with a verrrry low setting, or back in your stock pot with hot water around the jars and a big fluffy blanket wrapped around it.
7. When it's done, freeze a tablespoon of fresh yogurt for the next batch. Better yet, fill an ice cube tray to start each new batch with "fresh" culture.

In about 4 to 8 hours, the milk will thicken into yogurt. It's fucking magic. Leave it longer for a more sour taste if you want.

Cover and refrigerate your jars.

If you're a pathetic homo pussy, you can:
  • Buy a yogurt maker
  • Add jam or vanilla or fruit or whatever to your yogurt
  • strain it in a coffee filter to make greek yogurt, and throw the nutritious, protein-rich whey down the drain. If you use whole milk and add cream, it will be plenty thick.
If you're a smart autistic kiwi, you can:
  • Use an Instant Pot with a yogurt setting. There are 2 parts to the cycle. Press Yogurt once, then press it again to start the Boil program. This does not use pressure, so just cover with a refular saucrpan lid that fits. When it beeps "done", let it cool to 105 degrees then follow steps 3 and 4. Press Yogurt button again so it says Yogt, then cover with a lid. Pour into sanitized jars when set. Add a wee squirt of dish soap and a cup of water to your Instant Pot, then run it through a minute long pressure cook cycle to help with cleanup.
  • Enjoy delicious plain yogurt over granola, or use in place of sour cream, or add fresh fruit.
  • Appreciate that this is a natural, ancient food product, not an extruded, sweetened, adulterated store bought plastic junk food.
DOS TIPS:
  • Scalding the milk kills anything that shouldn't be in there (ethnic cleansing). It also denatures the milk proteins to create a thicker end product. Don't fucking burn it -- it smells horrible and takes forever to scrub out of your stock pot.
  • It probably won't be as thick as store bought yogurt. That's because they add gelatin or alginate to meet sissy american expectations.
  • It will get thicker in the fridge. Calm down.
  • When you stick a spoon in it, liquid whey will ooze out. Just stir it back in. It's fine. It won't hurt you, it just wants to be your friend.
  • A lot of things influence the time it takes to set up. Weather, humidity, temperature, season, etc. Wait at least 4 hours before checking on it. Yogurt doesn't like to be bothered while it's working, so to avoid annoying it, just tilt the jar slightly to see if it's thickened up.
  • If it still hadn't thickened after 8 hours, something went wrong -- you killed the culture cause the milk was too hot, or it got contaminated, or your original culture didn't actually say "contains live, active cultures". Your batch failed. Pour it out or give it to the pigs and try again following the instructions this time.
  • It should smell and taste slightly sour but creamy. It should be creamy white, not pink or green or black. It should have a creamy texture with maybe a bit of whey -- don-t expect it to be like jello. If it's curdled (chunks swimming in liquid) you did it wrong and made either cheese or a substance toxic enough to wipe out all life on earth.
  • It will keep in the fridge for quite awhile. I'm talking days to a couple weeks, not months here.
  • Use it in everything that calls for milk as an ingredient. You're welcome.
  • If you do decide to strain out the whey, don't just throw it out -- you're wasting protein and delicious probiotics. Add the liquid to any recipe calling for liquid.
  • It's teeming with exactly the same probiotics that are in those expensive pills from the health food store.
  • Over time, your culture changes. If it's not setting up well, or the taste changes (I'm talking different or less sour, or too sour, not putrid and rotten, you smegma-encrusted troglodyte), it's time for a new store-bought culture.
Yogurt is actually easier than it sounds once you get the hang of it. It's delicious and versatile and far superior to the candy-flavored storebought shit. There are websites and BookFaceReddit groups dedicated to yogurt making, and while they can be helpful, they can get as wanky and finicky as the sourdough people. They probably aren't worth trolling, just lurk and learn and laugh privately.
 
I have been considering attempting to make some cheese at home, using pasteurized milk and I am curious if anyone here has attempted it and whether they have any advice or recommendations?

I want to have a go at making mozzarella and also some harder cheeses, like cheddar that can be used in cooking and baking.
 
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@Aiōn Go for it. Of course if I were you, I would start off with some soft cheeses with zero aging, just to get used to the process.

Here is a recipe for paneer (Those cheese cubes you get at Indian restaurants). Extremely versatile.

The initial stages of all of these soft cheeses are pretty much the same. You either mix in an acid (vinegar or lemon juice) or rennet. Start off on easy mode using a vinegar or lemon juice recipe. Once you have that knocked out, shoot you can try a rennet recipe.

You can purchase rennet from Amazon. Go ahead and get the liquid animal rennet. It is easier to use than the tablets and more effective than the vegetable rennet.

The other super easy cheese to make are fresh soft cheese variations of farmer's cheese, or real traditional cottage cheese (soft fresh and crumbly like Feta cheese only without the goat cheese bite).


Great for salads, wraps or topping on top of beans or chilies.

Once you bang out an easy to make fresh cheese. Then consider leveling up to aged cheeses. I haven't tried that yet.

You might feel a little bit disappointed about how much cheese you get from a gallon of milk. It might not feel like it is a better economic choice. I haven't done the calculations. But you may like the end product better.

AVOID ULTRA PASTURIZED MILK (UHT, Ultra High Temperature Milk). Your standard grocery store milk probably isn't Ultra Hight Temperature Milk, but just
be aware that there are some milk products produced that are UHT. So if you see the words Ultra or UHT on the label just skip it. It will give you a bad time.


You will have a lot of nutrient dense Whey left over (cloudy yellowish-whitish liquid) which has been separated out from the curds. You can either toss it, or if you want to save all of that good nutrition, use the whey instead of water in the next bread you make. There is also an approach to make Ricotta Cheese from the whey. But yields are extremely low as it depends on how much of the proteins you have already extracted from your initial curd production.

TL;DR:
1. Make some soft cheese curds (Farmer's Cheese) with vinegar first for salads & to top your chili & beans
2. Avoid Ultra High Temperature pasteurized milk. If it says Ultra or UHT on the label skip it. You generic store brand probably isn't UHT.
3. Get some cheese cloth. You wash and reuse it. Don't cut the cloth, just fold it. Tighter thread counts will help keep in more of the curds. The cheap stuff at the grocery store tends to be extremely low count loose threads. Don't over think it. Go ahead and buy the cheap grocery store cheese cloth just to cut your teeth. Then you will know what to look for in a higher thread count cheese cloth.
 
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As it turns out, I had some raw milk that was due to expire so I took my first stab at making mozzarella today. (I figured I’d have a go before investing in the rennet and calcium chloride for pasteurized) I made a half quantity of this recipe, I didn’t have any distilled vinegar so I subbed with 5% apple cider vinegar.

I used a ’nut bag’ from a homemade oat milk misadventure during lockdown as my cheese cloth.
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I could faintly taste the ACV when I tried a piece but I am pretty pleased with how it turned out, I am defrosting some pizza dough so the true test will be how it performs for dinner tomorrow :)
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Most of my home fermentation is either kimchi or hot sauce. As long as you can get the pH under 4, hot sauce keeps basically forever at room temperature.

My current favorite is made mostly with habanero, frozen mango and carrot with a bit of shallot, but I spike it with a premade Carolina reaper mash and finish it with a bit of apple cider vinegar. Good heat, pleasant sweetness and a hint of oniony/garlicky notes from the shallots make for a sauce you can put on pretty much anything. Add just a little bit of xanthan gum to thicken and keep everything in suspension (seriously just a little - a half teaspoon is enough for a quart of hot sauce).
 
Add just a little bit of xanthan gum to thicken and keep everything in suspension
Great tip! I've made hot sauce once before and it came out fine but was very watery and separated nearly as soon as you stopped shaking it. How long do you prefer to ferment? I've only done one batch of three jars, pulling two jars after a week. The week-long jars were good, but I suspect that a longer time can make for even better flavor.

That third jar has been sitting for a few months now, so I guess I have the tools to answer my own question.
 
Great tip! I've made hot sauce once before and it came out fine but was very watery and separated nearly as soon as you stopped shaking it. How long do you prefer to ferment? I've only done one batch of three jars, pulling two jars after a week. The week-long jars were good, but I suspect that a longer time can make for even better flavor.

That third jar has been sitting for a few months now, so I guess I have the tools to answer my own question.
The most recent batch I let ferment for a couple of weeks. The longer you go, the more sour and complex it gets, but you hit diminishing returns pretty fast past the first week or so.
 
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