CN How Bad Is China’s Economy? The Data Needed to Answer Is Vanishing - Beijing has stopped publishing hundreds of statistics, making it harder to know what’s going on in the country

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By Rebecca Feng and Jason Douglas
May 4, 2025 9:00 pm ET

Not long ago, anyone could comb through a wide range of official data from China. Then it started to disappear.

Land sales measures, foreign investment data and unemployment indicators have gone dark in recent years. Data on cremations and a business confidence index have been cut off. Even official soy sauce production reports are gone.

In all, Chinese officials have stopped publishing hundreds of data points once used by researchers and investors, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.

In most cases, Chinese authorities haven’t given any reason for ending or withholding data. But the missing numbers have come as the world’s second biggest economy has stumbled under the weight of excessive debt, a crumbling real-estate market and other troubles—spurring heavy-handed efforts by authorities to control the narrative.

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China’s National Bureau of Statistics stopped publishing some numbers related to unemployment in urban areas in recent years. After an anonymous user on the bureau’s website asked why one of those data points had disappeared, the bureau said only that the ministry that provided it stopped sharing the data.

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The disappearing data have made it harder for people to know what’s going on in China at a pivotal time, with the trade war between Washington and Beijing expected to hit China hard and weaken global growth. Plunging trade with the U.S. has already led to production shutdowns and job cuts.

Getting a true read on China’s growth has always been tricky. Many economists have long questioned the reliability of China’s headline gross domestic product data, and concerns have intensified recently. Official figures put GDP growth at 5% last year and 5.2% in 2023, but some have estimated that Beijing overstated its numbers by as much as 2 to 3 percentage points.

To get what they consider to be more realistic assessments of China’s growth, economists have turned to alternative sources such as movie box office revenues, satellite data on the intensity of nighttime lights, the operating rates of cement factories and electricity generation by major power companies. Some parse location data from mapping services run by private companies such as Chinese tech giant Baidu to gauge business activity.

One economist said he has been assessing the health of China’s services sector by counting news stories about owners of gyms and beauty salons who abruptly close up and skip town with users’ membership fees.

State of the economy​

Questions over China’s GDP figures go back years. Former Chinese premier Li Keqiang famously told the U.S. ambassador in 2007 that GDP data for a Chinese province he governed at the time were “man-made” and therefore unreliable, according to a leaked U.S. diplomatic cable. Instead, he said he kept track of electricity consumption, rail-freight volumes and new bank loans.

Official GDP figures were “for reference only,” he confided to the ambassador, according to the cable. Li died in October 2023.

China’s official GDP growth of 5% in 2024 exactly matched the target the government had set the previous year. Economists privately dismissed the figure, with one telling the Journal it would have been more credible if authorities had released something lower. Retail sales, construction activity and other data painted a considerably weaker picture, they noted.

Bank of Finland and Capital Economics have generally found bigger swings in GDP than what China reports—and its estimates are lower than official figures in recent quarters.

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In December, a prominent Chinese economist at state-owned SDIC Securities, Gao Shanwen, said at a conference in Washington that China’s economic growth “might be around 2%” the past few years, adding, “we do not know the true number of China’s real growth figure.”

China’s leader Xi Jinping ordered that Gao be disciplined and he has been banned from speaking publicly for an unspecified period. The Securities Association of China warned brokerages in late December to ensure their economists “play a positive role” in boosting investor confidence.

China’s statistics bureau has defended its data practices, saying that data quality has improved over the years and that it has taken steps to ensure accuracy and investigate any misconduct during collection.

In February, Goldman Sachs came up with an alternative way of measuring China’s economic growth by crunching figures such as import data, which can be read as proxies for domestic spending. The thinking was that trade data get published frequently and is hard to fudge, since China’s trading partners also report those numbers.

That approach implied that China’s growth in 2024 averaged 3.7%. Using a different method, Rhodium Group, a New York-based research outfit, said growth was closer to 2.4% in 2024.

Vanishing act​

Presenting an image of stability is paramount for China’s Communist Party, especially now, with many middle-class Chinese worried about the future and the country entering uncharted territory in its competition with the U.S.

Often, the data that goes missing involves areas of high sensitivity or headaches for Beijing, such as the property market, whose collapse in recent years wiped out billions of dollars of household wealth and triggered protests by frustrated home buyers.

During the boom years, China’s developers furiously bought up land from local governments at sky-high prices. The transactions poured money into local governments’ coffers and signaled future development plans, a key driver of the economy.

The downturn began in 2021, after Beijing tightened credit on the sector. With home sales falling and real-estate developers going bankrupt, a Chinese think tank called Beike Research Institute released a report in 2022 that found the average housing vacancy rate among 28 Chinese cities was higher than the average in the U.S. and other places—a sign of oversupply.

The report drew attention because China doesn’t release an official vacancy rate, and property analysts were trying to figure out how badly developers had overbuilt. A few days later, Beike retracted the report and apologized, saying that some of the data had errors. Analysts said they believed the group pulled the data under government pressure.

Official data went away, too.

Figures show the value of land sales plummeted 48% in 2022—a big problem for heavily indebted local governments, which suddenly lacked funds to pay salaries or carry on with infrastructure projects. That data disappeared at the start of 2023.

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In this case, there are still private data providers that gather individual land transactions at the local level from public records.

By mid-2023, much of the talk locally revolved around the dismal job market for young people. Many of the students finishing college didn’t have job offers, and viral social-media posts showed them dressed in caps and gowns splayed out motionless on the ground, interpreted by many as a form of silent protest.

Around that time, the official youth unemployment rate hit a record 21.3%. Zhang Dandan, a Peking University economist, made headlines saying she thought China’s true youth unemployment rate might be as high as 46.5%.

In August 2023, authorities announced they would stop releasing the youth unemployment rate, saying they needed to revisit how they calculated the figures.

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Five months later, Beijing began releasing a new data series. The real youth jobless rate, it said, was 14.9%.

Officials said the new data series excluded nearly 62 million people who were studying full-time in universities, and so shouldn’t be counted as jobless. But that didn’t make sense to economists. Statistics typically count anyone actively looking for a job as unemployed, including full-time students.

Investor flight​

In April 2024, China’s stock market was teetering as economic worries deepened. Foreign investors dumped more than $2 billion of Chinese stocks over a two-week span, spooking domestic individual investors.

China’s two major exchanges in Shanghai and Shenzhen abruptly announced that they would stop publishing real-time data on inflows and outflows of foreign investors. The Shanghai Stock Exchange said in a statement that it was aligning its practices with other international markets, which don’t disclose real-time trading data of specific groups of investors.

After authorities stopped publishing the real-time data in mid-May, the CSI 300 benchmark index continued its decline for four consecutive months, until authorities announced a blitz of measures to support the country’s weakening economy in September.

Some data are still publicly available but harder to get. Beijing passed a law in 2021 that caused data providers to make certain information—such as corporate registry data and satellite images—accessible only in mainland China.

Chinese data provider Wind Information started to limit international users’ access to certain data sets, such as online retail shopping figures and land-auction records, in early 2023. That led one economist at a foreign bank in Hong Kong to start making regular weekend trips to the neighboring mainland city of Shenzhen to download data, the economist told the Journal.

Also gone in recent years: official figures on Chinese toll road operators’ year-end debt balances and the number of new stock-market investors.

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China stopped publishing national cremation data after it ended its controversial zero-Covid policy to contain the virus in late 2022—a move some analysts had estimated could lead to between 1.3 million and 2.1 million deaths. The government also censored discussions about the impact of the virus on social media.

The country’s low fertility rate has become a major economic liability—and some data pointing to it is gone, too. In the mid-2000s, an economist named Yi Fuxian questioned the accuracy of China’s population data and argued that tuberculosis vaccinations were a better measure of population growth because every newborn in China is required to be vaccinated.

In 2020, 5.4 million such vaccines were administered, according to data compiled by the private Chinese think tank Forward Business and Intelligence. Chinese authorities said the country recorded 12.1 million births that year.

A year later, the National Institutes for Food and Drug Control discontinued the weekly data release of tuberculosis vaccines administered, along with other vaccine data.

Some information that has disappeared defies explanation. Data providing estimates of the size of elementary school toilets stopped being released in 2022, then resumed publication in February. Official soy sauce production data stopped appearing in May 2021, and hasn’t returned.

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The land sales number is the biggest info in my opinion, because it was how they propped up their real-estate bubble and the tax on those sales accounted for a massive share of tax income generated and was key in the corruption scheme.

For those not versed in China economic grifting, their real-estate bubble worked like this.

  • Buy land from the local government
  • Plan massive real-estate projects
  • sell future houses and apartments as retirement investments to people directly or as part of investment "opportunities"
  • send government agents to factories to upsell the investment to the working class
  • use the new gathered money to buy more land and start from the top

This cycle feeds itself and led to a fake construction industry producing cardboard houses for advertising pictures with many, if not most, projects never being finished, or if they were finished the buildings were crumbling, lacking in basic features (like rainwater sewers), or in generally uninhabitable conditions.

The big profiteers were state officials, real-estate funds and construction companies. Like for example the "Evergrande Group" which has since collapsed and had to be propped up by the CCP to not take their house of cards with it.
From Wikipedia
[...]the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) had found that the company had overstated its revenue in 2019 by 214 billion yuan (nearly $30 billion), or about half, and in 2020 its revenue was overstated by nearly 80%, or 350 billion yuan ($48.6 billion).

The civil unrest popping up on the news every now and then stems from people finding out their entire live savings were invested into real-estate that does not exist, never existed in the first place, and that the CCP was saving the companies that defrauded them, but not the citizens. If you google a bit you can find videos of people protesting in front of banks, demanding the government to prosecute the responsible people (which is the government itself) and refund them their investment.

As the current working population ages out they were supposed to fall back on their retirement savings, which no longer exist. Leading to an untenable situation the CCP has to fix asap.

tl;dr: Lower land sales = collapsing taxes = local governments a over-leveraged with debt and default.
It is not a good place for China to be in and it says a lot about how effectively the CCP is monitoring and oppressing its citizens that they have not yet collapsed.
 
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In my opinion, China would benefit from decentralization, either into completely separate nations or a Federation like America/Russia. Beijing and North and East (Shanghai) China can remain the Communist shithole they want to be. The South can divide itself up into a Federal Republic, maybe joining Taiwan (Taiwan suffers from being overly Democratic, Taipei effectively controls the whole island). Hong Kong should be completely independent with a protection guarantee from a larger country. Tibet obviously should be independent. Xinjiang is the only one I don’t have an idea what to do with. I think ideally it would become Russia as they know how to deal with uppity Muslims in remote areas, but reality would probably turn it into some Kosovo-esque independent state that forever struggles to develop.

This is a dream scenario and the reality is probably going to end up far more retarded if the CCP collapses. China has had literally thousands of years to prove it can be an effective, united country and to this day has little to show for it. The idea of a unified China is a mistake.
 
This is a dream scenario and the reality is probably going to end up far more retarded if the CCP collapses. China has had literally thousands of years to prove it can be an effective, united country and to this day has little to show for it. The idea of a unified China is a mistake.
How can you unify something as big as China if its populace hates each other, in different provinces no less?
 
They’re currently streamlining international tourism
Thank you for this completely non-informative post. It’s an absolute pain in the ass to go to Chinese as tourist even from a visa-free country, so I’m curious what you mean by this.

Outside of about three areas, there is no English in China. I don’t even think the general populace even understands that foreigners don’t speak Chinese. If you go anywhere they will attempt to speak to you in Chinese first.

China has the most ridiculous bureaucracy of any developed country in the world. Your passport will be asked for about fifty million times. You will not be able to book a hotel or train ticket without needing to go through a bunch of unnecessary hoops because you don’t have Chinese ID.

Something as basic as paying for a meal or getting a taxi requires esoteric knowledge of Chinese apps, none of which have very good English modes. Getting a Chinese phone number isn’t really practical for tourists. You can’t get a WeChat without knowing someone Chinese. Credit cards are still stigmatized. ‘Visa? Wtf is that. We only take UnionPay. We don’t take cash.’

Want to know what it’s like to deal with Chinese websites? Book a flight direct on one of the Mainland carriers: China Southern, China Eastern, or Air China. The websites barely work. Most Chinese companies rely on WeChat mini-apps now, which are not very accessible to foreigners who don’t speak Chinese (if they can even get a WeChat account).

Digital safety is still a big problem. Free Wi-Fi? Congrats, you have malware.

International food? Non-existent. All food in China is Chinese and some international fast food outside of a few areas.

People who go to China for tourism mainly go to the so-called ‘tier 1’ cities for short stints or go with tour groups. That’s what the government wants. I don’t see them doing anything to make it easier for tourists to explore parts of the country that are actually reflective of living conditions for most of the population.
 
Their central govt can't even get accurate data from their provinces.

Local govt officials have inherent incentives to make statistics better than reality, particularly to pump up their dangerously inflated housing bubble. They have empty apartments all over the country.
Everybody lies in a communist country, some because they want to, but most because they HAVE to or they get sent to the labor camps.

So it could only surprise the eternally gullible leftist that everybody, from the basic line worker up to the Party Officials is not only lying, but, basing their lies on the ones they got from below, adding 5%, and passing it up the line.
 
Two-three years ago China weak stories were all the rage because it made the American economy then, and so the administration then, look good. Now China stronk stories are all the rage because it makes the current American economy, and administration, look bad. The truth is that China isn't on the verge of collapse but it's in a much worse position in the Total Retard Trade War and in general economically than the US
 
I hope this is real. China concerns me more than Iran or Russia ever could. They have an immense resource pool and the ability to move frighteningly quickly due to the uniparty.

I despise the corporate cucks that sold out America just to stamp MADE IN CHINA on everything we could otherwise take pride in. I want to see them suffer too.

I was neutral on the tariffs, but if hitting them where it hurts -- cheap Temu trash hoovered up by retards -- is what it takes, then I'm all for it. Especially if it's working.
 
Used to watch Peter Zeihan before he caught terminal TDS.
Me too. He was good back when he focused on China and the coming failure of globalism.

He made some interesting predictions about how China might break up into three countries once Xi dies, laying out production areas and internal trade routes. He was also one of the first global analysts to talk about how China's population bust will hit them hard and fast.

Then he got TDS as abysmally as some Hollywood fag actor. He's also sucking Ukraine's ass so badly he won't even admit they're slowly but surely losing the war. He's unwatchable now.
 
They did this in the 1950s during the Great Leap Forward. The middle management of the collective farms doctored their production figures to show a surplus that was way over quota, and upper management of the Party overinflated those figures even higher, and they ended up exporting millions of tons of "surplus" rice and grains while famine killed millions. Same in the industrial sector and the rest of the state controlled economy.

Maybe the very first "line go up" charade.
The TGD threads on /pol/ were a fun mix of lunacy and interesting information. During the floods there were some posts about how when they’d surveyed them to check flood damage, grain silos had been found to be empty and the figures reported up to central gov that they’d ever been full were just complete fabrications.
There’s a culture of just skamping out a little bit at each stage of the process to enrich middle men and then at the end the whole edifice is full of holes.
I don’t think anyone knows the truth, what comes out china is lies and spin so it’s hard to see what really is true. There are people invested in them being two weeks from collapse and those invested in them being a strong and threat.
 
There are people invested in them being two weeks from collapse and those invested in them being a strong and threat.
I joke sometimes that China's actually always two weeks away from collapse, but as long as Xi can keep them believing that China Numba Won they just keep going. I think it's more that everyone's economy is so fake and gay at this point that everyone is pretending everything is alright. Having light shined on the reality of the situation could break everything, which is part of why Trump wanting to realign trade has them so fucking spooked.
 
Outside of about three areas, there is no English in China. I don’t even think the general populace even understands that foreigners don’t speak Chinese. If you go anywhere they will attempt to speak to you in Chinese first.
The worst example of this is the airline industry since English is the standard. China is the only one that doesn't seem to require their pilots learn English or even basic lingo which leads to some pretty interesting interactions with other pilots and ATCs.
 
I joke sometimes that China's actually always two weeks away from collapse, but as long as Xi can keep them believing that China Numba Won they just keep going. I think it's more that everyone's economy is so fake and gay at this point that everyone is pretending everything is alright. Having light shined on the reality of the situation could break everything, which is part of why Trump wanting to realign trade has them so fucking spooked.
It's a good attitude to just assume everyone lies.
Look at how Spain supposedly has a larger GDP than Russia, while one can outproduce NATO in weapons while the other has nationwide blackouts
 
In my opinion, China would benefit from decentralization, either into completely separate nations or a Federation like America/Russia. Beijing and North and East (Shanghai) China can remain the Communist shithole they want to be. The South can divide itself up into a Federal Republic, maybe joining Taiwan (Taiwan suffers from being overly Democratic, Taipei effectively controls the whole island). Hong Kong should be completely independent with a protection guarantee from a larger country. Tibet obviously should be independent. Xinjiang is the only one I don’t have an idea what to do with. I think ideally it would become Russia as they know how to deal with uppity Muslims in remote areas, but reality would probably turn it into some Kosovo-esque independent state that forever struggles to develop.

This is a dream scenario and the reality is probably going to end up far more retarded if the CCP collapses. China has had literally thousands of years to prove it can be an effective, united country and to this day has little to show for it. The idea of a unified China is a mistake.
No one tell him that China is modernized with several levels of government just like western countries. The rampant corruption and extreme culture of lying about everything is what keeps fucking them over every time.
 
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