CN How Bad Is China’s Economy? The Data Needed to Answer Is Vanishing - Beijing has stopped publishing hundreds of statistics, making it harder to know what’s going on in the country

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By Rebecca Feng and Jason Douglas
May 4, 2025 9:00 pm ET

Not long ago, anyone could comb through a wide range of official data from China. Then it started to disappear.

Land sales measures, foreign investment data and unemployment indicators have gone dark in recent years. Data on cremations and a business confidence index have been cut off. Even official soy sauce production reports are gone.

In all, Chinese officials have stopped publishing hundreds of data points once used by researchers and investors, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.

In most cases, Chinese authorities haven’t given any reason for ending or withholding data. But the missing numbers have come as the world’s second biggest economy has stumbled under the weight of excessive debt, a crumbling real-estate market and other troubles—spurring heavy-handed efforts by authorities to control the narrative.

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China’s National Bureau of Statistics stopped publishing some numbers related to unemployment in urban areas in recent years. After an anonymous user on the bureau’s website asked why one of those data points had disappeared, the bureau said only that the ministry that provided it stopped sharing the data.

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The disappearing data have made it harder for people to know what’s going on in China at a pivotal time, with the trade war between Washington and Beijing expected to hit China hard and weaken global growth. Plunging trade with the U.S. has already led to production shutdowns and job cuts.

Getting a true read on China’s growth has always been tricky. Many economists have long questioned the reliability of China’s headline gross domestic product data, and concerns have intensified recently. Official figures put GDP growth at 5% last year and 5.2% in 2023, but some have estimated that Beijing overstated its numbers by as much as 2 to 3 percentage points.

To get what they consider to be more realistic assessments of China’s growth, economists have turned to alternative sources such as movie box office revenues, satellite data on the intensity of nighttime lights, the operating rates of cement factories and electricity generation by major power companies. Some parse location data from mapping services run by private companies such as Chinese tech giant Baidu to gauge business activity.

One economist said he has been assessing the health of China’s services sector by counting news stories about owners of gyms and beauty salons who abruptly close up and skip town with users’ membership fees.

State of the economy​

Questions over China’s GDP figures go back years. Former Chinese premier Li Keqiang famously told the U.S. ambassador in 2007 that GDP data for a Chinese province he governed at the time were “man-made” and therefore unreliable, according to a leaked U.S. diplomatic cable. Instead, he said he kept track of electricity consumption, rail-freight volumes and new bank loans.

Official GDP figures were “for reference only,” he confided to the ambassador, according to the cable. Li died in October 2023.

China’s official GDP growth of 5% in 2024 exactly matched the target the government had set the previous year. Economists privately dismissed the figure, with one telling the Journal it would have been more credible if authorities had released something lower. Retail sales, construction activity and other data painted a considerably weaker picture, they noted.

Bank of Finland and Capital Economics have generally found bigger swings in GDP than what China reports—and its estimates are lower than official figures in recent quarters.

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In December, a prominent Chinese economist at state-owned SDIC Securities, Gao Shanwen, said at a conference in Washington that China’s economic growth “might be around 2%” the past few years, adding, “we do not know the true number of China’s real growth figure.”

China’s leader Xi Jinping ordered that Gao be disciplined and he has been banned from speaking publicly for an unspecified period. The Securities Association of China warned brokerages in late December to ensure their economists “play a positive role” in boosting investor confidence.

China’s statistics bureau has defended its data practices, saying that data quality has improved over the years and that it has taken steps to ensure accuracy and investigate any misconduct during collection.

In February, Goldman Sachs came up with an alternative way of measuring China’s economic growth by crunching figures such as import data, which can be read as proxies for domestic spending. The thinking was that trade data get published frequently and is hard to fudge, since China’s trading partners also report those numbers.

That approach implied that China’s growth in 2024 averaged 3.7%. Using a different method, Rhodium Group, a New York-based research outfit, said growth was closer to 2.4% in 2024.

Vanishing act​

Presenting an image of stability is paramount for China’s Communist Party, especially now, with many middle-class Chinese worried about the future and the country entering uncharted territory in its competition with the U.S.

Often, the data that goes missing involves areas of high sensitivity or headaches for Beijing, such as the property market, whose collapse in recent years wiped out billions of dollars of household wealth and triggered protests by frustrated home buyers.

During the boom years, China’s developers furiously bought up land from local governments at sky-high prices. The transactions poured money into local governments’ coffers and signaled future development plans, a key driver of the economy.

The downturn began in 2021, after Beijing tightened credit on the sector. With home sales falling and real-estate developers going bankrupt, a Chinese think tank called Beike Research Institute released a report in 2022 that found the average housing vacancy rate among 28 Chinese cities was higher than the average in the U.S. and other places—a sign of oversupply.

The report drew attention because China doesn’t release an official vacancy rate, and property analysts were trying to figure out how badly developers had overbuilt. A few days later, Beike retracted the report and apologized, saying that some of the data had errors. Analysts said they believed the group pulled the data under government pressure.

Official data went away, too.

Figures show the value of land sales plummeted 48% in 2022—a big problem for heavily indebted local governments, which suddenly lacked funds to pay salaries or carry on with infrastructure projects. That data disappeared at the start of 2023.

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In this case, there are still private data providers that gather individual land transactions at the local level from public records.

By mid-2023, much of the talk locally revolved around the dismal job market for young people. Many of the students finishing college didn’t have job offers, and viral social-media posts showed them dressed in caps and gowns splayed out motionless on the ground, interpreted by many as a form of silent protest.

Around that time, the official youth unemployment rate hit a record 21.3%. Zhang Dandan, a Peking University economist, made headlines saying she thought China’s true youth unemployment rate might be as high as 46.5%.

In August 2023, authorities announced they would stop releasing the youth unemployment rate, saying they needed to revisit how they calculated the figures.

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Five months later, Beijing began releasing a new data series. The real youth jobless rate, it said, was 14.9%.

Officials said the new data series excluded nearly 62 million people who were studying full-time in universities, and so shouldn’t be counted as jobless. But that didn’t make sense to economists. Statistics typically count anyone actively looking for a job as unemployed, including full-time students.

Investor flight​

In April 2024, China’s stock market was teetering as economic worries deepened. Foreign investors dumped more than $2 billion of Chinese stocks over a two-week span, spooking domestic individual investors.

China’s two major exchanges in Shanghai and Shenzhen abruptly announced that they would stop publishing real-time data on inflows and outflows of foreign investors. The Shanghai Stock Exchange said in a statement that it was aligning its practices with other international markets, which don’t disclose real-time trading data of specific groups of investors.

After authorities stopped publishing the real-time data in mid-May, the CSI 300 benchmark index continued its decline for four consecutive months, until authorities announced a blitz of measures to support the country’s weakening economy in September.

Some data are still publicly available but harder to get. Beijing passed a law in 2021 that caused data providers to make certain information—such as corporate registry data and satellite images—accessible only in mainland China.

Chinese data provider Wind Information started to limit international users’ access to certain data sets, such as online retail shopping figures and land-auction records, in early 2023. That led one economist at a foreign bank in Hong Kong to start making regular weekend trips to the neighboring mainland city of Shenzhen to download data, the economist told the Journal.

Also gone in recent years: official figures on Chinese toll road operators’ year-end debt balances and the number of new stock-market investors.

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China stopped publishing national cremation data after it ended its controversial zero-Covid policy to contain the virus in late 2022—a move some analysts had estimated could lead to between 1.3 million and 2.1 million deaths. The government also censored discussions about the impact of the virus on social media.

The country’s low fertility rate has become a major economic liability—and some data pointing to it is gone, too. In the mid-2000s, an economist named Yi Fuxian questioned the accuracy of China’s population data and argued that tuberculosis vaccinations were a better measure of population growth because every newborn in China is required to be vaccinated.

In 2020, 5.4 million such vaccines were administered, according to data compiled by the private Chinese think tank Forward Business and Intelligence. Chinese authorities said the country recorded 12.1 million births that year.

A year later, the National Institutes for Food and Drug Control discontinued the weekly data release of tuberculosis vaccines administered, along with other vaccine data.

Some information that has disappeared defies explanation. Data providing estimates of the size of elementary school toilets stopped being released in 2022, then resumed publication in February. Official soy sauce production data stopped appearing in May 2021, and hasn’t returned.

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Me too. He was good back when he focused on China and the coming failure of globalism.

He made some interesting predictions about how China might break up into three countries once Xi dies, laying out production areas and internal trade routes. He was also one of the first global analysts to talk about how China's population bust will hit them hard and fast.

Then he got TDS as abysmally as some Hollywood fag actor. He's also sucking Ukraine's ass so badly he won't even admit they're slowly but surely losing the war. He's unwatchable now.
Ya, did the $5/month Patreon for a while, then stopped it. He made a big push in Oct 24 for people to join, I did. But a lot of those people, like me, left when the TDS went epic. Guess he can afford to lose the money.
 
So to derail but not entirely..

I have two questions.
If the CCP can manipulate the currency and lie about everything even to itself, how are they in so much debt? I thought the USA owed them trillions in addition to the higher trade deficit so even pre trump the idea was they made lots of money off us. So who do they owe? And why if they have full control of the currency and culture can they not basically make shit up to get out of it.

The second one is larger. So let's say the CCP is staring a big problem down. Not collapse let's be tamer. Recession. But we already know almost all of the EU is in one. The USA is formally in one after lying like dogs we aren't and we have been for years. Russia is embargoed by half the planet.

Times are not good for anyone but and this is macro economics in a way I don't understand - how? How can everyone be having the same bad time and the same recession then? Everyone is in debt but nobody is the debtor making bank? Unless there's just some happy (((finance))) folks living it up on literally the backs of the entire planet? Which seems difficult to consider at *this* scale
 
My favorite was China's Covid death statistics.
While the rest of the world was seemingly ridiculously over-inflating their Covid deaths, by counting anyone who died for any reason who happened to have Covid at the time as a Covid death, somehow China, a country of 1.4billion people got away with saying only 5,000 people ever died of Covid.
 
Honestly, the biggest blackhole for thunderdomers and Null is that they are completely retarded about China. I think its right wing angst about the declining West projected outwards. It's a little pathetic ngl, though the CPC (or rather the SEE SEE PEE lol) does not help with the economic and political drama.

The bugmen are gonna win. There will be no catastrophic collapse where the veil will rend. You and your children will be raped by niggers forever without the satisfaction that atleast the chinks smoke and mirror show got found out, sorry.
 
I believe there was a failed coup after the Covid period and part of this is the fall out from that. Xi wants to start sealing the country up and return more towards a Marxist economy.
They’re currently streamlining international tourism
It’s an absolute pain in the ass to go to Chinese as tourist even from a visa-free country, so I’m curious what you mean by this.
Your initial claim has no evidence or justification. China supposedly “sealing the country up” is flatly contradicted by the government making moves to further open up to foreign tourism. You responded with a non-sequitur about the status quo of Chinese tourism.
That has never been my position. My position is that whatever international tourism China is attempting to promote is not in conflict with Xi Jinping’s desire to bring China’s economy more in line with a Marxist state.
Then why did you feel the need to argue about the inaccessibility of Chinese tourism? You’re obviously retconning your position.

I never even commented on your separate claim that Xi is making China more Marxist (which is also retarded).
Your argument is that Xi does not want to start sealing up the country because the government did three things to make it easy for people to visit China, without considering either any other multi-order effects of how those three things could go back to reinforcing my argument, nor any of the other things going on in China that would reinforce my argument. In short, you tried to use a flippant, undeveloped argument to try to discredit my point and are now malding because I pointed out how you’re being an idiot.
The policies have a first order effect of opening up the country to international tourism, which is in contrast with your claim they are closing it up. You haven’t demonstrated any multi-order effect besides making a spurious claim that these policies only encourage tourism in T1 cities (not true) and that increased tourism in those cities somehow doesn’t count as real openness (not true).

Your whole argument boils down to “I think X” and you are getting ass blasted that reality doesn’t align with your fantasies.
They don't?
Any story about that?
Korea uses Naver and Kakao Maps. The SK Govt historically restricted access to official map data to localised servers, so Google didn’t bother with competing. Japan and Korea do have their fair share of native digital infrastructure besides Naver Maps/Kakao Maps, but not as much as China ofc.
 
They don't?
Any story about that?
Because they are still technically at war, Korea doesn’t give detailed map data that Google and other companies could use for navigation. You can use Google Maps but it’s not very precise. I’ve never been to Korea, so I don’t know what exactly that means in practice. They have their own navigation apps.
 
Because they are still technically at war, Korea doesn’t give detailed map data that Google and other companies could use for navigation. You can use Google Maps but it’s not very precise. I’ve never been to Korea, so I don’t know what exactly that means in practice. They have their own navigation apps.
Google and other international companies have always been free to set up shop in Korea and provide mapping services to Koreans, they just refused to invest in local data centres and employees until recently.
 
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Google and other international companies have always been free to set up shop in Korea and provide mapping services to Koreans, they just refused to invest in local data centres and employees until recently.
Can you stop being a know-it-all faggot about stuff you don’t actually know about? The Korean government literally cited national security as the reason it has rejected requests:
https://www.chosun.com/english/industry-en/2025/04/15/AVV3LZFAN5B45FBGG7HYIWHBBU/

The Korean government feels the data Google already has is good enough while Google disagrees. The Korean government also doesn’t just require a local data center, they also require Google blur out certain areas, again because of ‘national security’.
 
Can you stop being a know-it-all faggot about stuff you don’t actually know about? The Korean government literally cited national security as the reason it has rejected requests:
https://www.chosun.com/english/industry-en/2025/04/15/AVV3LZFAN5B45FBGG7HYIWHBBU/
Correcting falsehoods isn’t being a know-it-all. Even so, I’d stop correcting you if you stopped just making shit up.

Did you even read the first-google-result article you shared? It’s very clearly spelled out that Google is free to set up shop in Korea and to provide the data to Koreans, they’re only prohibited from exporting that data (as the Korean companies are)
Korea doesn’t give detailed map data that Google and other companies could use for navigation
Just a reminder that this is your initial statement on the topic which I’m correcting. It’s very obviously incorrect as Google can access the data, they just can’t remove it from Korea.
 
Correcting falsehoods isn’t being a know-it-all. Even so, I’d stop correcting you if you stopped just making shit up.

Did you even read the first-google-result article you shared? It’s very clearly spelled out that Google is free to set up shop in Korea and to provide the data to Koreans, they’re only prohibited from exporting that data (as the Korean companies are)

Just a reminder that this is your initial statement on the topic which I’m correcting. It’s very obviously incorrect as Google can access the data, they just can’t remove it from Korea.
You are playing dumb semantic games because you’re a malding faggot. Google literally does not have the data because they have no data centers in the country. The Korean government will only give it to them through an ITAR-esque scheme which they haven’t done. Sure, technically they can ‘access’ it if they do what the Korean government tells them, but that’s a hypothetical, not reality.

Legally, foreign visitors to Korea shouldn’t be able to see the data at all as that is still considered an ‘export’. Whether that happens or not, and if the government cares, I wouldn’t know as I’m not familiar with how the Korean apps operate and if they attempt any screening for foreigners.
 
You are playing dumb semantic games because you’re a malding faggot. Google literally does not have the data because they have no data centers in the country. The Korean government will only give it to them through an ITAR-esque scheme which they haven’t done. Sure, technically they can ‘access’ it if they do what the Korean government tells them, but that’s a hypothetical, not reality.
Holy shit nigga just let it die. Once again you’re wrong: Google’s asian-northeast3 is located in Seoul.

If they need more data centre capacity they can build it in Korea, just like the Korean companies do. Google is not cash-strapped. Their choice to not engage constructively with the Korean Government is just another case of a multi-national taking their ball and going home rather than play with the same rules as everybody else.
Legally, foreign visitors to Korea shouldn’t be able to see the data at all as that is still considered an ‘export’. Whether that happens or not, and if the government cares, I wouldn’t know as I’m not familiar with how the Korean apps operate and if they attempt any screening for foreigners.
Gay ass semantics and skitzoid legal theories. Now that’s spicy.
 
They did this in the 1950s during the Great Leap Forward. The middle management of the collective farms doctored their production figures to show a surplus that was way over quota, and upper management of the Party overinflated those figures even higher, and they ended up exporting millions of tons of "surplus" rice and grains while famine killed millions. Same in the industrial sector and the rest of the state controlled economy.

Maybe the very first "line go up" charade.
Not for China and not for Communism. The USSR had a nasty famine in 1946/1947 thanks to a perfect storm of peacetime economic troubles, a bad drought, and homeless orphans everywhere. Naturally the USSR's response to their food crisis was to export grain to the rest of Europe to avoid looking weak even as the newborns from their baby boom starved to death.
Everybody lies in a communist country, some because they want to, but most because they HAVE to or they get sent to the labor camps.

So it could only surprise the eternally gullible leftist that everybody, from the basic line worker up to the Party Officials is not only lying, but, basing their lies on the ones they got from below, adding 5%, and passing it up the line.
Yeah, the USA had a bit of a shock when things in the USSR went and completely collapsed. See, we had sources in the Politburo that were feeding us their numbers, and it was the same numbers everyone there was seeing. Unfortunately the numbers were so cooked that we expected a slow but steady controlled demolition, not the Moscow cops staying home to look after their families because the government couldn't find the money to pay them followed by armored vehicles in the streets.
No one tell him that China is modernized with several levels of government just like western countries. The rampant corruption and extreme culture of lying about everything is what keeps fucking them over every time.
They've always had a magnificently well-developed bureaucracy. They've also always had a magnificently corrupt bureaucracy.
This is impossible due to the historic claim even the CCP is falling back on.
The "One China" policy is a direct successor to the Mandate of Heaven, under which it was the right of the "correct" dynasty to unify China under one banner.

China will never federalize in any meaningful way, because it goes against the core identity the ruling class has been propping up for the past 1000 years.
"China, long united, must divide. China, long divided, must unite." God damn does this shit happen in constant cycles, and all because "Ruler of all China" is a title nobody wants to pass up on.
 
Holy shit nigga just let it die. Once again you’re wrong: Google’s asian-northeast3 is located in Seoul.

If they need more data centre capacity they can build it in Korea, just like the Korean companies do. Google is not cash-strapped. Their choice to not engage constructively with the Korean Government is just another case of a multi-national taking their ball and going home rather than play with the same rules as everybody else.
This is what the article says:
Google currently operates 29 data centers in 11 countries, including Taiwan, Japan, and Singapore, with new facilities underway in Thailand and Malaysia, but none in South Korea.
Is it wrong or did Google build a data center in a few weeks?

Regardless, it’s not just a matter of building some servers and hiring Korean jannies for it. It’s also a matter of export control laws within the scope of national security, an area of law that can get a company ass-raped in fines and sanctions. There is a huge difference between setting up a server to handle insensitive data and one that can be compliant with a certain country’s export control laws.

You are either severely downplaying how complex export control law is or you are just being a disingenuous faggot in an attempt to look like less of a retard. Export control is an extremely complicated and sensitive legal subject that trips up literal billion dollar companies every year, so it’s no surprise that Google doesn’t want to fuck with it if it doesn’t have to. It’s a business decision that aligns with what Google has done before. They comply with America because it’s America, but they already left China years ago when that state got uppity about its own information control.
 
Is it wrong or did Google build a data center in a few weeks?
It’s wrong. I even gave you the name of the data centre you spastic.
You are either severely downplaying how complex export control law is or you are just being a disingenuous faggot in an attempt to look like less of a retard. Export control is an extremely complicated and sensitive legal subject that trips up literal billion dollar companies every year, so it’s no surprise that Google doesn’t want to fuck with it if it doesn’t have to. It’s a business decision that aligns with what Google has done before. They comply with America because it’s America, but they already left China years ago when that state got uppity about its own information control.
You are just vomiting out speculations to defend Google. It’s like you think Larry Page is going to put down the tranny cock and start blowing you next.

The pathetic part is you once again walk back your original claim but still feel the need to be argumentative about it. You started out saying Google is not allowed access to the data. Now you’ve walked that back to a “business decision” to not operate in Korea because it’s not as profitable of a market as other regions, which is also I’ve been saying this whole time. So congratulations; now you’re agreeing with me.
 
You are just vomiting out speculations to defend Google. It’s like you think Larry Page is going to put down the tranny cock and start blowing you next.
At what point did I ever defend Google? I’m actually sympathetic to Korea on this. They are in a war and need to ensure sensitive data is controlled properly.

My ‘speculations’ are literally A) the reason the article cited and B) what you, yourself literally said as well: Google cannot export the foreign data from the country because of national security concerns. That’s not a speculation, that is export control law.
The pathetic part is you once again walk back your original claim but still feel the need to be argumentative about it. You started out saying Google is not allowed access to the data. Now you’ve walked that back to a “business decision” to not operate in Korea because it’s not as profitable of a market as other regions, which is also I’ve been saying this whole time. So congratulations; now you’re agreeing with me.
I said that the Korean government doesn’t give Google or other companies the map data they want because they are in a war. None of that is untrue. I didn’t walk my argument back to being about a business decision, I offered that as supplemental context to explain why Google has been unwilling to comply with the Korean government’s conditions.

I started this argument because you implied that all Google needed to do was build a data center and hire some Koreans and they’d get the data. The issue is more complicated than that and glosses over the high stakes involved for both parties.
 
I started this argument because you implied that all Google needed to do was build a data center and hire some Koreans and they’d get the data. The issue is more complicated than that and glosses over the high stakes involved for both parties.
Nigga just stop. You started this “argument” by lying about whether Google is allowed the data (they are).

It literally is as simple as processing the data in Korea because that’s the solution the Korean Govt has presented to Google. Google has the resources and capacity to do this, they just don’t want to.
 
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