US How Can Anyone Afford to Teach Anymore?

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Teacher shortages have been reported in all fifty states, and 86 percent of public schools are hard pressed to fill vacant teaching positions. Low pay is often cited as a cause of the shortages. Let’s put that in context.

On average, teacher pay in the United States is nearly 25 percent less than what other college graduates receive, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). If you are a teacher in New Hampshire, as I am, your paycheck is nearly 30 percent less than other college graduates. Let that sink in.

People who go into teaching are taking on the same level of debt as other college graduates (or more), yet they are receiving nowhere near the same financial benefits. The typical U.S. graduate with a four year degree walked away with their diploma and $29,417 in debt in 2022. In my home state, the average debt for a bachelor’s degree topped the nation at an astounding $39,928.

Undoubtedly, this economic reality of the teaching profession is having an impact on teacher prep programs, which are seeing a drastic reduction in the number of enrollees. This in turn means fewer new teachers entering the profession. When the cost of a degree is paired with the “teacher pay penalty,” to use EPI’s terminology, the math is undeniable: politicians are shortchanging teachers.

Teachers are being paid roughly seventy cents on the dollar for their labor. If most other jobs had this kind of wage disparity during a labor shortage, employers would increase wages to attract qualified professionals into the field. Instead, what we’re seeing are rightwing activists using fear tactics, book bans targeting Black and LGBTQ+ histories, and direct threats to the livelihood of teachers in an attempt to erode confidence in public schools. These attacks have a high price: the financial future of educators.

In my more than a decade of working in public schools, I can attest to the fact that teachers are selfless. But we can only carry so much for so long. We’re only human. It’s time we exclaim with a collective and unified voice: Pay teachers more! Local, state and federal governments must invest in public educators now. We cannot afford to balance society’s books on the backs of teachers.

Fair pay and freedom to read might sound “far out” after a year that saw a record number of books banned and a record income gap between teachers and other professions.

The truth is every community in America needs to come together for our schools, our profession, and our communities now more than ever. Every student deserves a dedicated teacher and every teacher deserves fair pay for their dedication.

Educators have long been asked to carry the burden of underfunding. But the data shows that in the not so distant past, things were a bit more fair when it comes to educator pay. In 1996, the difference between teacher wages and other college grads was about $300 per week. Today, that difference is over twice that and rising.

The shrinking purchasing power of educators coincides with classroom jobs being more difficult and demanding. Every educator strives to create classrooms of compassionate care, but the day to day experiences and the broader data show that we are facing a systemic crisis when it comes to the mental health of young people. Widespread anxiety and hopelessness among students must be taken seriously and responded to with increased investment in public schools. We cannot continue to ask the schools that serve those that have the greatest needs to do so with least resources.

In the richest country in the world, we can do so much better. What will it take to reverse the trend?

We need our unions to be reinvigorated by the transformative energy and passion of classroom educators. From early educators who teach the ABCs to the high school teachers who teach calculus, we need everyone to pull together to defend our public schools, the pillar of our democratic way of life.

We must draw inspiration from our brothers and sisters across the country and find common cause with those battling inequity in other industries. We can see the gains that are rapidly being made by teachers in Los Angeles and by workers in other sectors, such as with the Writers Guild of America, the United Auto Workers, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, whose successful strikes resulted in significant pay increases and other concessions.

UAW President Shawn Fain and President Joe Biden agree that “record profits should mean record contracts.” The present economic conditions favor workers more than any time in the past two decades. States with significant budget surpluses must make significant investments in teachers and public schools. This includes states like Texas, where the $32.7 billion surplus could be used to attract and retain professional educators, a step toward redressing chronically low pay.

Public support for labor continues to be at a generational high. Seventy-five percent of the public believes that teachers are underpaid. And a majority of the public hold a favorable view of their own local educators. Now is our time. Let’s reverse the trends of widening wealth gaps.

Economic justice for educators means providing financial support to the schools that serve all students. Raises for public school educators must reflect our professional status and our contributions to community life. Educators must earn wages that match those with similar educational backgrounds and experience in other fields.

This kind of investment is something that will take political will that must be cultivated in each community with the people who know those communities the best—educators, parents, and people who see how our way of life is intricately intertwined with quality public schools.
 
As somebody who is working within the California education sector, I can sum up the solution on fixing this problem. Break it all down and start over. Now, as for a more in-depth look into it...

Teachers are nothing more than babysitters who has repeat propaganda to their students all the while teaching sub-par lessons thanks to molly-coddling the stupid and the utter failures thanks to the whole 'no child left behind' deal. Now the reason its this way starts all the way from the top.

Ruling class saw fit that their diversity pets needs to be able to pass. So they instituted rules that turned their places of education and skill into diploma mills. To make the latter happen, lots of lessons have to be dumbed down. The most infamous of this is Common Core. Made by that globalist fuck, Bill Gates.

25 x 5 = 125? No child. You need to show that 5+5+5+5+5 = 25! You are wrong otherwise! And nothing kills interest in Math faster than turning it into a form of torture. This is the so-called "New Math". Reason why this exists? Because its supposed to help niggers. Even then, it doesn't stick with niggers. But it is doing an excellent job of making everyone as bad as niggers when it comes to math. What makes this worse is the fact teachers will get in trouble for trying to circumvent this. Along with any of the other initiatives administration pushes. Which brings me to the next point.

There's agendas to be pushed and there is no refusing it. Most decorations, lesson plans are determined by the people up top. Even if said methods are not effective. Teachers can try and find creative ways to make it digestible but even then, they have to push the agenda no matter what. Classrooms are usually found with DEI posters, fag flags, conformist propaganda (The current flavor is "Be Kind" which is a distortion of the saying paraphrased, Be inquisitive, ask questions and be kind), troonshit and some of the teacher's own personal decorations. Such as anime posters, Harry Potter and various drawings.

Then, here's the secret sauce that makes public schooling utterly worthless. Teachers are not allowed to discipline their kids. Being disruptive have no consequences. Heard many a horror story about unruly kids (niggers especially) disrupting class or even refusing to participate. Some even staging BLM protests just to get out of Math Class. You can't learn effectively if somebody is causing shit in your classroom. Attention is turned from the lesson plan onto the disruptor.

There is also the uncomfortable reality of practical skill classes either neutered or removed. Science classes are glorified arts and crafts departments. Automechanics and Home Economics are gone. Creative writing doesn't exist. And many more have been stripped because its 'too hard'.

Finally, here is one last detail you should be aware of when you send your kids to public schooling. They hand out goyslop like no tomorrow. Back when I was stuck in the system, you had to buy your own snacks. Bring your own candy. Nowadays, (In particular, Pre-K, Gradeschool, even Middle School), they hand out chips and candy as snacks. Sure, there's your occasional fruit and vegetable, but most of it is processed crap that guarantees your little one is gonna get addicted to the bad shit and get fat. Which is a whole another problem as that has a very convenient industry waiting for them as their bodies succumb to their newfound addiction. Big Pharma.

And the kicker is if you want to be part of this, you need to be accredited. But because lots of teachers have left because of the shit pay and restrictions, the district may turn a blind eye on your lack of experience... as long as you tow the line.

There is a reason why current US is called Babylon or at least the new Soddom and Gomorrah. Do yourself a favor. Pull your kids out of Public education. Because the shit they learn there will be the reason they will fail in the future or worse, end up as a new lolcow topic in this forum.
 
Some of my best teachers were dudes in their middle age who got tired and decided to retire doing some cushy state job rather than grind everyday for the next 10 years.
I am talking magna cum laude engineers who just said "Meh" and poured all of their knowledge and passion to a bunch of retards who were studying to become blue collars or at best more engineers.

But a smart technician and a smart engineer are better than a dumb one.
And for that I will always be grateful.

On the other hand my worst teachers were the ones who came from teaching courses.
Either retarded or downright zealots for the current thing.
 
Not in my city, brand new teachers start out at $61k minimum and go up to $87k USD. Their salary tables are public info like all govt jobs and you can look em up on their isd page. It's not high paying but it is pretty decent, especially when it's not a full year, they don't have to teach summer and they get paid more if they do.
 
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I did some teaching (private tutoring) for a bit. All the students were white, so they learned everything from their books and my job was basically grading and bringing them trinkets to play with in class. All together I probably made less than minimum wage, but I still think I was overpaid. Useless job. I can't believe there are people who are proud to be teachers.
 
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Show me where increasing school funding results in better academic performance, and maybe I'll consider the notion that higher pay = better teachers.

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Until then, stop indoctrinating children with your leftist degeneracy, overpaid teacher scum.
I do wonder how much of those ballooning expenses even go to teacher salaries and not those of newly-created administrative positions. Out of morbid curiosity, I visited my old high school's website and saw that they now had a host of "anti-bullying" counselors and DEI compliance officers. Regardless of whether you think teachers deserve more pay, I can guarantee these parasites are making more than they are.
 
people who are kids today will be running the country when you're old and helpless
Every single Milenial firstly hates living secondly they are behind the euthanasia for all , thirdly we know we won't reach old age we either die from cancer or be put down long before we reach nursing home we also know that the pension system is toast .

Also everyone here knows this bs would end tomorrow if we give each student a fucking Check of how much we spend on them per year to choose any schools including learning pods . Currently you are spending 13k per student per year thats 260 k per year for a class of 20 . For those money you can get six figures salary for teachers plus enough crayons to feed the classes Crayon eater a whole pack every day .
 
I do wonder how much of those ballooning expenses even go to teacher salaries and not those of newly-created administrative positions. Out of morbid curiosity, I visited my old high school's website and saw that they now had a host of "anti-bullying" counselors and DEI compliance officers. Regardless of whether you think teachers deserve more pay, I can guarantee these parasites are making more than they are.

I agree that it's almost certainly a matter of bloated school bureaucracies, but, in that case, the teachers should be directing their bitching at their bureaucrat-bloated administrators and teachers unions instead of constantly demanding more taxpayer money to crank up their salaries while not improving academic achievement in the slightest.
 
I can attest to the fact that teachers are selfless
I'm disgusted by the hyperbole exhibited by people (and teachers) when describing teachers. Stop framing yourselves as heroes. Yes, there are huge issues seemingly beyond your control: administrators with no concern for your job (and a revolving door when it comes to discipline), students out of control, and students' families who assume you're drugging their kids and selling them out for a gangbang. You're not going to win over anyone if you paint yourselves as suffering saints.

As a former educator I can attest to the fact that teachers are not selfless - teachers have their own problems and goals. If the author of this article were selfless, she would not bang her own drum so loudly. If she were selfless, she wouldn't lie like that to get more money. Teachers are human and can err (quite a few of them on TikTok and other social media seem to do nothing but err). For Christ's sake, you're not Little Nell.

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It's been noted for going on 20 years that people who get Education degrees are some of the dumbest people on campus, which only gets more curious when they turn up for graduation with high GPAs. There are a few possible explanations for this: the future teachers of America get their acts together in the span of four years and are shining exemplars of higher education, or, their curriculum is so weak that dumbasses can fly through it easily.
This is a huge problem. The education courses were the easist part of my degree. Just color inside the lines.
 
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The last thing teachers were during the covid pandemic was "selfless". They left their schools like rats abandoning a sinking ship at the beginning, and then they fought against going back to their classrooms tooth and nail.

And don't even try and pretend like "remote teaching" put some sort of horrible strain on teachers. We know damn well you were in your glory doing a few hours of Zoom classes per day where you didn't even have to deal with the brats face to face, and you spent the rest of your days sprawled out on your couches binge watching The Bachelor and Say Yes to the Dress.

And don't try and pretend like that's not what happened.

I'll never forget, and I'll never forgive you.
 
I wonder if anyone anywhere has actually tried paying teachers drastically more and investing more money into schooling in general and then saw that student outcomes continued to decline at the same rate that they had been previously? That would be pretty wild if there was over a decade of data from Colorado showing exactly that.
This chink ran DC's public schools, paid teachers more and saw scores rise, although there's allegations that her teachers were cheating like crazy to get scores to go up.. A government body investigated and said no cheating took place but who trusts the government? We'll never know the truth if teacher pay leads to better student outcomes because its not in the government's interest.

one of Norm's last standups before he died.
 
The useful idiots they employ to be propagandists/teachers are after all: idiots. Their reward is the same as it is in every country that has succumbed to the plan, the useful idiots are the first to be put up against the wall.

Never trust a traitor, even the ones you bought for pennies on the dollar.

I'm torn between wanting to see them suffer the consequences of their actions, but not wanting to be stuck in their liberal dystopia. Maybe the vaccine was a way for us to have our cake and eat it too?
 
Controversial opinion: I'm not sure a lot of elementary education should require a college degree. The undergrad teacher programs I see are usually touchy-feely indoctrination and learned martyrdom. The best way to become a better teacher is to teach. It's like with nursing: at a certain point, a trade school certificate is fine.
Yes. Needing a Masters to teach elementary school is just plain nuts. It's a form of gatekeeping that does keep a lot of former professionals and politically neutral people out. The juice isn't worth the squeeze, so in a sense, they're "underpaid" in that the level of certification needed for a full time position is not worth the time to get a five figure salary and extremely limited authority and autonomy.
it was more like
>stupid journalist said that there were no laws in place
>I said that was a lie showing the laws
>journalist made a claim about how white men were the most dangerous with a gun
>instead of talking about the obvious ignoring the shooter's race, I brought up how it's basketball Americans committing most gun crime, with many being gang-related.

And that's why I will never fear ror a teacher crying about a student wanting to kill them, they all feel entitled in dictating that student's opinion

I did follow instructions. The teacher deciding that to change the rules after the fact is proof you're an idiot like most teachers. I wasn't the only one, either. Suddenly her favorite student in the class (A Stanford man) also received the same treatment since he was somewhat conservative and pointed out the idiotic logic in the 3 opinion articles (1 was mostly the facts then other 3 were journo opinions), and its something we became friends over at the end of high school. And the essay was pretty open ended. It was something like "read the following opinion articles and respond to their points." Nothing about agreeing or disagreeing, or even summarizing the points.
Yeah, being able the read the teacher's politics is an unspoken soft skill to getting As. It has nothing to do with competence, but compliance, which is why graduates are the way they are. Even being the most diligent at MLA/APA only goes so far (especially when they keep changing the format every few years for no good reason).
Teachers are often paid plenty and get plenty benefits.

Part of what can make teaching suck is disciplinary issues with students or huge classrooms. Having a single teacher for 30 kids or even 20 (which I think is the lower end) is a bit much for a single class. You also can't kick troublemakers out of school since it has to act as a daycare system.

You have to be kinda insane to be willing to put up with the conditions which is probably causes bleeding hearts to seemingly be attracted to it, they're the ones willing to treat the schools like daycares and deal with the horrific school conditions.

It's also goofy that teachers would need to bring their lunch to work or eat the equivalent of prison food because we can't dare do more with the school cafeterias. How many want to get a degree to work a job where you need to bring your lunch to work everyday rather than be able to eat some decent food there. But we can't improve the school food because then there wouldn't be money in the budget for the kids that don't/can't pay.

How much more comfortable would teachers be if they could go to the cafeteria for some decent Chinese food? Or London broil? Not exactly difficult stuff, there are practically zero standards for these cafeterias, zero standards for the students, zero standards for the teacher work hours, no standards for qualifications, and so on.

The whole experience sounds dehumanizing as anyone that has been through a public school would know. You can't improve the job and get better teachers unless you are willing to dramatically change what schools look like.
Teaching simply was better when spanking was allowed. Unironically. Now, you have to call the cops, which, to refer to Starship Troopers,* is like "Spanking a baby with an axe." The paddle was a sufficient means of giving the teacher a way to assert authority and confidence to even the most monkey-brained student and it gave the punishment much faster than Saturday school or suspension, which have never been deterrents. Punishments, especially temporary ones, need to be fast. What teachers suffer from now in a workplace sense is incredibly restrictive rules in managing their classrooms that fundamentally disempower their autonomy.

So yes, paying teachers more is not the solution. Giving teachers more freedom to do their jobs is part of it.

*This book is very much pro-spanking, despite the quote I used.
 
You can stop reading this here.

You want to really read something?

Look up, IF YOU CAN, how much teachers make. Look up how much a teacher in your area starts at, what their average is, their pay increase rate.

Now look at how much the school board, the Superintendent, and all the other leeches in the Administration.

Then look at the median income of your area.

Seeing that right there lets me know that they probably got rid of all the Diversity Grievance Studies Masters serving coffee at Starbucks and just went with people working in their fields.
Baltimore is a perfect example of this.

These people who have high six-figure salaries by giving off poor results are the problem here.
 
Hmmm...tell you what...pay the teachers who actually teach, and treat their students properly, very well and take that extra money from the salaries of the jerkoffs and indoctrinators.

Still don't believe anyone needs a four-year degree in education in order to teach, maybe a one-year course at most. Base it on a military academic instructor training program, with blocks on handling special needs and the gifted students. As needed, teachers can learn skills such as test development and the instructional systems design model in a few days of in-service training. Also, establish a Master Teacher program at each school. Teachers satisfy various criteria to become a Master Teacher, such as time in the classroom, participation in a special project, professional development, and results of in-person observation/evaluations. Master Teachers would get a 25% pay raise, maybe extra retirement credits.

But most importantly, discipline needs to be restored in the schools and the teachers taken out of the social worker business.
 
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We now have the technology, like pre-recorded lectures that are essentially free to distribute, required to minimize labor involved in education yet keep training shitloads of midwits (education grads' SAT scores are consistently in the bottom third of all major students). Hell, resources like Khan Academy were better than some of my University teachers.
Doesn't Harvard put out some really fucking nice [course]50 type classes, plus lectures and recordings? You can get all but the fancy paper with actual effort and some brains, to be honest. And you only need the paper for a big corp - When I'm looking at developers, I look at portfolio and a few challenge questions, not degree's.
Still don't believe anyone needs a four-year degree in education in order to teach, maybe a one-year course at most
A one year course, and X years in industry for the field, with decent references. I really feel the solution to a LOT of this is to look at people 5-10 years off from retirement, and offer them one year of teaching classes, five years of teaching work, and then they get their retirement early if they want to take it at that point. Incentivize people who actually know what they're doing to step off the line to help others - It'll clear up the incredible glut of old blood at the top of a lotta orgs as well that can make it difficult for new people and ideas to progress, while also providing more than enough potential teacher candidates.

You could probably offer the same for younger people with the appropriate qualifications, I'm just throwing out ballpark numbers to get brains churning - But at the end of the day, the teacher should be someone who's spent a lot of time proving themselves doing the thing, because that's the lesson I want passed onto people, not a textbook. Real knowledge earned by experience, taught by someone who's only "pretty ok" at the whole teacher thing is still leagues better than a masterful teacher who's never set foot in the real business of what they teach.
 
@JosephStalin so years ago I was reading an old army book. It was the army text book for teaching mathematics like arithmetic.

It has a section explaining base 2 systems and how binary numbers work.

I was substitute teaching a computer science class, where we were just gonna watch big hero six, I took a few minutes before starting the movie to show those jr high shits, a base 2 number line, and how to add those numbers up.

The look in the eyes of a few of them that bothered to pay attention made it clear to me, they are bored and not being taught.

Same thing with that shitty common core math book with a I stepted into a jr high math class, and the students said they werent being taught, and I could clearly see how the teacher structured her class to look like she was teaching but really just made it easiest for her.

And finally last I had a meeting with HR. The fucking basket ball american didnt have the guts to tell me it was a termination interview, Instead I got the termination letter a few days later. The reason....a fucking elementary teacher complained about me running her lesson plan. I m gonna say its pure cope but I bet she was just mad her students liked me.

I was working as a sub. You read and hear about a storage of subs, about how their arent enough teachers. I was willing to go to the classroom take attendance, be there to compile with the law, and just take the fucking abuse of those mother fucking kids.

but admin is fucking dysfunctional, everyone wants to climb over everyone else, if you stand out your getting fucked!
 
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