US How Can Anyone Afford to Teach Anymore?

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Teacher shortages have been reported in all fifty states, and 86 percent of public schools are hard pressed to fill vacant teaching positions. Low pay is often cited as a cause of the shortages. Let’s put that in context.

On average, teacher pay in the United States is nearly 25 percent less than what other college graduates receive, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). If you are a teacher in New Hampshire, as I am, your paycheck is nearly 30 percent less than other college graduates. Let that sink in.

People who go into teaching are taking on the same level of debt as other college graduates (or more), yet they are receiving nowhere near the same financial benefits. The typical U.S. graduate with a four year degree walked away with their diploma and $29,417 in debt in 2022. In my home state, the average debt for a bachelor’s degree topped the nation at an astounding $39,928.

Undoubtedly, this economic reality of the teaching profession is having an impact on teacher prep programs, which are seeing a drastic reduction in the number of enrollees. This in turn means fewer new teachers entering the profession. When the cost of a degree is paired with the “teacher pay penalty,” to use EPI’s terminology, the math is undeniable: politicians are shortchanging teachers.

Teachers are being paid roughly seventy cents on the dollar for their labor. If most other jobs had this kind of wage disparity during a labor shortage, employers would increase wages to attract qualified professionals into the field. Instead, what we’re seeing are rightwing activists using fear tactics, book bans targeting Black and LGBTQ+ histories, and direct threats to the livelihood of teachers in an attempt to erode confidence in public schools. These attacks have a high price: the financial future of educators.

In my more than a decade of working in public schools, I can attest to the fact that teachers are selfless. But we can only carry so much for so long. We’re only human. It’s time we exclaim with a collective and unified voice: Pay teachers more! Local, state and federal governments must invest in public educators now. We cannot afford to balance society’s books on the backs of teachers.

Fair pay and freedom to read might sound “far out” after a year that saw a record number of books banned and a record income gap between teachers and other professions.

The truth is every community in America needs to come together for our schools, our profession, and our communities now more than ever. Every student deserves a dedicated teacher and every teacher deserves fair pay for their dedication.

Educators have long been asked to carry the burden of underfunding. But the data shows that in the not so distant past, things were a bit more fair when it comes to educator pay. In 1996, the difference between teacher wages and other college grads was about $300 per week. Today, that difference is over twice that and rising.

The shrinking purchasing power of educators coincides with classroom jobs being more difficult and demanding. Every educator strives to create classrooms of compassionate care, but the day to day experiences and the broader data show that we are facing a systemic crisis when it comes to the mental health of young people. Widespread anxiety and hopelessness among students must be taken seriously and responded to with increased investment in public schools. We cannot continue to ask the schools that serve those that have the greatest needs to do so with least resources.

In the richest country in the world, we can do so much better. What will it take to reverse the trend?

We need our unions to be reinvigorated by the transformative energy and passion of classroom educators. From early educators who teach the ABCs to the high school teachers who teach calculus, we need everyone to pull together to defend our public schools, the pillar of our democratic way of life.

We must draw inspiration from our brothers and sisters across the country and find common cause with those battling inequity in other industries. We can see the gains that are rapidly being made by teachers in Los Angeles and by workers in other sectors, such as with the Writers Guild of America, the United Auto Workers, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, whose successful strikes resulted in significant pay increases and other concessions.

UAW President Shawn Fain and President Joe Biden agree that “record profits should mean record contracts.” The present economic conditions favor workers more than any time in the past two decades. States with significant budget surpluses must make significant investments in teachers and public schools. This includes states like Texas, where the $32.7 billion surplus could be used to attract and retain professional educators, a step toward redressing chronically low pay.

Public support for labor continues to be at a generational high. Seventy-five percent of the public believes that teachers are underpaid. And a majority of the public hold a favorable view of their own local educators. Now is our time. Let’s reverse the trends of widening wealth gaps.

Economic justice for educators means providing financial support to the schools that serve all students. Raises for public school educators must reflect our professional status and our contributions to community life. Educators must earn wages that match those with similar educational backgrounds and experience in other fields.

This kind of investment is something that will take political will that must be cultivated in each community with the people who know those communities the best—educators, parents, and people who see how our way of life is intricately intertwined with quality public schools.
 
Teachers are over paid lol, fuck them. Go cry about a salaried position that starts above $50k where your job consists of sitting and talking, real hard lifestyle.
It is hard because from my limited time around them they are put in hard positions.

for example every tuesday is a early out day. Why so all the teachers and admin can have meetings about how to be better teachers. for jr highs it means each period is like 30 minutes and not 50, i imagine all those meeting arent that productive.

take simple math lets say a teacher goes "eh fuck common core, I ll just drill these shits, then go back and explain whats happeneing" guess what your standing out, and boom you get crab bucketed out.

and who ever else said it you cant remove distrubtive or emotional distrubed students
 
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The way to fix the schools is simple:
  1. Put every single current student in inner-city schools in jail. They're unsavable due to a lifetime of running wild and they're likely already on their way there anyways. This step is essential to stop them from negatively influencing the younger kids who still have potential.
  2. Fire all teachers and replace them with buff male ex-drill sergeants who enforce strict discipline. Physical presence is important and a 6' 200 lb muscular man commands a lot more respect than a 5' 200 lb fat woman.
  3. Enforce uniforms, ban phones, purge the curriculum of grievance studies, and do not tolerate any sort of disrespect to the teacher. If one of the fatherless kids acts up, cane his ass in front of the class like they did in the old boarding school days. Caning is not a light slap on the buttocks and corporal punishment is an enormous deterrent, just ask Roald Dahl or a Singaporean.
In thirteen years, I guarantee you'll have a bunch of well-behaved, literate, and numerate high school graduates and the schools will be full of similarly well-disciplined students.

If that sounds harsh, it is. It's 100% clear though that the touchy-feely softy approach does not work.

The best part is that implementing this plan requires less money than what we currently spend on schools. Too bad it'll never happen.
 
This book is a hoot.

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In a fit of idealism, Ed Boland left a twenty-year career as a non-profit executive to teach in a tough New York City public high school. But his hopes quickly collided headlong with the appalling reality of his students' lives and a hobbled education system unable to help them:


Reality kicked that fag right in the teeth.
 
Here is an idea, de-regulate the education system and make it easier for smaller institutions like private schools/coops (Those folks who homeschool as a collective) to exist. With college becoming a luxury item that few can responsible obtain, what's the point of the dogma on learning? Do an elementary school + (merge part of middle school with elementary school) 16, start working, exploring, etc. 18 you can apply to college if you want.
 
I'm a new teacher at a school which is poor and stupid and not nearly as black/Hispanic as the Farms would have you think it is. Let me be the first to tell you. The kids are fucked and no future. They can't do anything for themselves. Can't read, write, type, do math, or take notes. I have to use guided fucking notes with upperclassman you all are fucked when you get to college you know that right. And if I hear research based one more time I am going to scream. Full on half of all scientific research is later shown to be false. You don't mean research based you mean the latest fad.
 
e all teachers and replace them with buff male ex-drill sergeants who enforce strict discipline. Physical presence is important and a 6' 200 lb muscular man commands a lot more respect than a 5' 200 lb fat woman.
This is continuing the mindset that schools need to act like prisons for kids. Kids that act disruptive should be removed and it would improve things for everyone.

Cell phones also are not an issue for schools unless the kid is an obnoxious and letting it bother others.

You just have to require students not be assholes or else they're kicked out, but schools currently aren't allowed to kick out people.

If you instead treat students like they're in prison they'll have less respect for the places and making life even more hellish for everyone there, students and teachers alike.

The touchy-feely approach? That works fine for good kids. The bad kids shitting things up for everyone else shouldn't be lowering everyone else's standards or else you get the results we currently get from public schools.
 
Teachers don't get to leave their work at the school. They routinely bring their work home with them, including on those "paid vacations" (not actually paid) and being a non-propagandist teacher will easily consume about 12 hours of your time a day. Summer breaks aren't long enough for you to do any serious side jobs, either. You will probably have to take Spanish lessons, too, because we have such a massive immigrant population now and you are expected to meet non-English-speaking students and parents in the middle. I don't know any teachers that recommend the job. I got an offer to teach in NYC a while back and they wanted to offer 50 grand.
 
Make schooling optional after the 8th grade. It'll weed out those who couldn't be bothered to give a fuck from those who actually give a fuck about their future. Tie that in with lowering the age threshold for adult felony & misdemeanor charges. That'll ensure Young Mane-Mane gets warehoused away from the general public, just as he and his kind should have been all along.
 
Show me where increasing school funding results in better academic performance, and maybe I'll consider the notion that higher pay = better teachers.

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Until then, stop indoctrinating children with your leftist degeneracy, overpaid teacher scum.
I'm not saying you are, but don't confuse funding with paying teachers; when the money is used to finance paychecks, teachers are usually the last ones to get it. Teachers get a pay raise after every administrator's pet project if financed, they give themselves a nicer raise, and maybe some maintenance on the facilities get done. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending teachers, but anytime you see something about giving schools more money, it goes to anything but teachers.

Only 20% people actually need schooling after the age of 8. Can you write your name? Can you count to purple? Okay, you're ready.

17% skilled tradesmen - the men that actually keep a country functioning need to go to technical college

3% intellectuals, STEM types need to go to university

The other 80% are potatoes who should be sent to work on their 9th birthday. Education would be infinitely more straight forward if we just educated those who can be educated.
I've said it in other threads about education here; about 80% to 90% of everything I learned in school I had learned by the 8th grade (13/14 years old for non-burgers). It was only really the higher maths and sciences that actually brought in real information and built on what came before it. History was just different parts and times of the world, and was very vague with details. English was just reading a bunch of older works; not a bad thing, but reading Kafka and Chaucer isn't... there wasn't any "learning." There was maybe some reading comprehension, but that was already covered in earlier grades. Everything else was a time burner, unless you wanted to go into the trades and liked shop classes; and not to disrespect my teachers, but music classes are electives and self-selecting and more of a social club than classroom.

If I was God Emperor of the USA; 8th grade / 14 would be the end of mandated education. We can spend the next couple of years exploring what you feel before you get too old to be an adult. If you want to work on cars, motorcycles, and diesel engines; we'll get you in a garage and you can get your hands dirty and bust your knuckles. If you want to be a chemist if only to know how to make a better bomb, if you have the aptitude, we'll fucking get you there. And there won't be any of this new age liberal bloat and we're not gonna finance you to spout poison and work to destroy the very thing that fucking keeps you warm and fed.

Yes. Needing a Masters to teach elementary school is just plain nuts. It's a form of gatekeeping that does keep a lot of former professionals and politically neutral people out. The juice isn't worth the squeeze, so in a sense, they're "underpaid" in that the level of certification needed for a full time position is not worth the time to get a five figure salary and extremely limited authority and autonomy.
I can't speak for every state, as each state enforces its own standards; but in my experience, you only need a Bachelor's to teach at the K-12 level; and some Bachelors in specific fields can teach at a lower university level if you have x-years in the job field. These job fields being IT, programming, etc; they'll substitute a fancy piece of paper if you have proven time in service to know what you're talking about. I also honestly feel that an Associates should be enough to teach at the K-6 levels.
 
In a fit of idealism, Ed Boland left a twenty-year career as a non-profit executive to teach in a tough New York City public high school. But his hopes quickly collided headlong with the appalling reality of his students' lives and a hobbled education system unable to help them:


Reality kicked that fag right in the teeth.
A "non-profit executive" sounds pretty seedy, taking a cut of charity money (if it's even charity money at all and not an NGO specializing in money laundering). Let me guess, though, he wanted to believe he was going to be the hero of his own version of Stand and Deliver.
 
I was in public school not especially long ago and I can remember exactly zero teachers I would describe as "Marxists" or interested in indoctrination. Can you share your experiences, or do they come from Twitter?
I guess they didn't teach you how to open your eyes
 
This is continuing the mindset that schools need to act like prisons for kids. Kids that act disruptive should be removed and it would improve things for everyone.

Cell phones also are not an issue for schools unless the kid is an obnoxious and letting it bother others.

You just have to require students not be assholes or else they're kicked out, but schools currently aren't allowed to kick out people.

If you instead treat students like they're in prison they'll have less respect for the places and making life even more hellish for everyone there, students and teachers alike.

The touchy-feely approach? That works fine for good kids. The bad kids shitting things up for everyone else shouldn't be lowering everyone else's standards or else you get the results we currently get from public schools.
Honestly just making changes like not having a hall pass would make schools less of a "pipeline to prison". Obviously if you're chimping out in the hallways that's a problem, if bathrooms become rape dungeons that's a problem, if people are just leaving campus that's a problem (it's a liability), but you shouldn't have those things on principle. After I left high school, things changed so you had to use the bathroom closest to your classroom (and they weren't created equal).
 
Honestly just making changes like not having a hall pass would make schools less of a "pipeline to prison". Obviously if you're chimping out in the hallways that's a problem, if bathrooms become rape dungeons that's a problem, if people are just leaving campus that's a problem (it's a liability), but you shouldn't have those things on principle. After I left high school, things changed so you had to use the bathroom closest to your classroom (and they weren't created equal).
I went to one high school for a year where they were so into clamping down on student movement that no one visited the library during lunch. So virtually no one would ever borrow a book from there, an almost unused library.

Public schools make a lot of odd choices like that. Anti common sense.
 
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