How did boomers become this way? - Buy whatever you see on TV and spend all your money before you die

Yes, I missed the part where you divined as much from your stellar sense of clairvoyance, oh forgive me o' providential one.
Have you considered that maybe you just aren’t that perceptive? It doesn’t take a genius to pick up on subtext or in this case plain text. Though I suppose it’s perfectly natural for an autist to completely misunderstand the entirety of the simplest social interactions.
 
I don't go as far to believe that, plenty of tech was considered impossible even ten years before its creation, but at the rate of advancement anything listed there will be impossible for decades, certain parts or imaginative ideas only being somewhat possible in a century. And what will be made will probably end up corrupted into a manmade horror beyond comprehension. It's all I can expect from clown world. One of the things I think will take longer than anything is the AI we have been conditioned to be scared of by the media for years, right now the best of the best can barely figure its way around a manmade structure. Deep learning ai almost always boils down to doing one very specific thing pretty well, and 99% of it only in the digital space of a game or image processing in 2d. It'll be at least a century before they can combine the text language processing, various image suites, etc into a single thing and it will have the intelligence of a giant sped.
I don't think well never get an AGI, well get stuck with "dumb" specific AIs that will get exponentially better at what it does but will need to be kept into control not for the cliche risk of it "waking up" and killing mankind but by the simple fact that because its not conscious and can't really understand things (chinese room problem) it could do something incredibly stupid and damaging just because the algos say its right.

For example: "solve poverty", programmed to find the cheapest fastest option. What happens? it sends drones to bomb anyone earning below the line of poverty because as ridiculous as it sounds thats mathematically the cheapest fastest option
 
Have you considered that maybe you just aren’t that perceptive? It doesn’t take a genius to pick up on subtext or in this case plain text. Though I suppose it’s perfectly natural for an autist to completely misunderstand the entirety of the simplest social interactions.
Have you considered that maybe you just aren’t that perceptive? It doesn’t take a genius to pick up on subtext or in this case plain text. Though I suppose it’s perfectly natural for an autist to completely misunderstand the entirety of the simplest social interactions.
 
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Have you considered that maybe you just aren’t that perceptive? It doesn’t take a genius to pick up on subtext or in this case plain text. Though I suppose it’s perfectly natural for an autist to completely misunderstand the entirety of the simplest social interactions.
See? This is exactly what I mean. You’re utterly incapable of any meaningful responses because everything you could say is at best predictable. Because you’re an idiot.
 
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See? This is exactly what I mean. You’re utterly incapable of any meaningful responses because everything you could say is at best predictable. Because you’re an idiot.
See? This is exactly what I mean. You’re utterly incapable of any meaningful responses because everything you could say is at best predictable. Because you’re an idiot.
 
The biggest struggle in Gen X was "not selling out, maaaaan". Tells you all you really need to know.

The ultra rich living in palaces while us mere peasants can't even afford housing or vehicles isn't a dystopian future. It's right the fuck now in many parts of the western world.
Nah, man. Thats one of those media projections that broadly speaking has not applied to any gen-xer I've known.

It wasn't about not selling out, it was about being and creating something with value that wasn't directly projected onto them by the corporate media complex. The gen-xers I know have idiosyncratic hobbies that wouldn't be trendy on instagram. The boomers? They don't even have hobbies, they legitimately do not understand the concept

there's a tendency amongst the boomers whom i know of being incredibly wasteful, especially with the things to which they consider themselves entitled. turning the faucet on and letting it run while doing dishes or brushing your teeth, gen x will do that. but i watch my boomer friend turn the cold water on and let it run a bit before filling the ice cube trays. why? because "the ice will freeze faster". but what about all that water you're wasting? "i pay the water bill."

slightly wet hands from spilling that tray? eighteen papertowels to dry them off. do you need that many, can't you just use one, or just use a hand towel? "i'm not doing more laundry. i bought a huge case at costco, and i'm gonna use them."

leaves every light in every room that he enters on? "i pay for the electricity."

it's not even about the money; it's the mindset of commodification, of anything and everything. i can point out to my friend that he's wasting money, but in his mind, because he bought something, it is his right to use as much of whatever that thing is, in whatever indiscriminate way he chooses, for as long as he chooses. it's absolutely maddening.
But whats wrong with that? If he gets pleasure out of wasting his money on paper towels, it's his prerogative. I don't, but hell, I buy paper towels in the first place. That shit is insanely wasteful but it's useful. The real issue with this mindset is that they don't understand other people don't have the ability to do that, or that there are cost or manpower barriers in place that prevent the kind of conspicuous consumption they feel entitled to. It blinds them to the real world.

Story time: I was a manager at McDonald's when they first added those self-order kiosks (they sucked) and I remember a conversation I had with an old boomer, clad in under-armor sportswear, about how they were total trash and they should have just used iPad's. Yeah, the software was absolutely dogshit. But they were regular computers that you could replace each part on, and at the scale McDonald's operates at it's probably cheaper to buy the parts in bulk and replace them when they break than to use an iPad and replace it every time something breaks. He literally said "you guys have the money to pay for that, just take the old iPad out, throw it away, slap a new one in and you're good to go"

I should not have said that iPads are probably more expensive than a cheap embedded pc because he got flustered and started telling me that he only paid TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS for his new iPad retina, that he's had one since they first came out in 2004, that he's been using them for longer than I have, and that nobody would make software as bad as the kiosks if it was an iPad, and that McDonald's is rich enough to afford quality stuff.

Its one of those conversations that's been burned in my memory because of how absolutely fucking insane it was. It's like I threw him a bone about how shitty the kiosks were, because he was right, but just being right wasn't enough, he felt entitled to the whole hog. The whole hog being his very precise world view about conspicuous consumption. It's smalltalk from a bored wagie dude, holy shit
 
The accepted line from futurologists such as Ray Kurzweil is that somewhere somehow some kind of 'Super A.I.' will be invented (they call it AGI, Advanced General Intelligence) and somehow that will solve all of mankind's problems and manifest some sort of kook utopia out of nowhere. Don't quote me on that just read his book. He says it's gonna be here by 2030.
:optimistic: Super fundy religious beliefs in a coming day of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth sound realistic compared to this.
 
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To all those thinking that things can get turned around and improved once the Boomers in positions of power die off: don't hold your breath. They've got a trump card in their pocket



They will live through several more generations even if it means draining the younger generations of literal blood or surgically grafting a child onto their fat bellies and using them as a living dialysis machine.

Never underestimate the "Me" generation.

Eh, we should just kill them ourselves if they try,.

"Eat the Rich" and all that.
 
There are many reasons why they're like this, but one of the main ones is that they grew up during a time of unprecedented prosperity and they assumed it would last forever.
A lot of conversations with boomers by the younger generation allude to this. Try convincing the boomer relatives you need help buying your first house because the gibs utopia we made has devalued currency so much your wages are for shit - they just don't understand. They bought up a house in full at 22 years old, so you can too! Must be laziness. Young people today, ugh ugh, etc.

What made them this way at the expense of their own kids is a tougher question. I'd say the hedonic cycle, in part - and each generation tries to seemingly rebel against the former, just because. Wouldn't discount two world wars prior that devastated and bankrupted Europe and forced them to rip down the inner cities in my country to "start over" - the previous generation obviously failed because they fucked themselves with world wars... that's kind of the excuse I suspect they have for not carrying the torch socially or culturally. The past must have been wanting and the future was all about social programs and nanny state stuff that was good for them growing up. I wouldn't discount epigenetics in this context either, on the wider cultural trends of the day. We don't know what other effects the WWs and their recovery had beyond the obvious.

Just how little responsibility many boomers feel, especially toward the future/generations in the West prompts me to think Western economics and governmental policy between the 50s and 70s specifically. When times are hard, humans and their communities pull together, and when they aren't, humans can "afford" more selfish, individualistic behavior. In the West we artificially afforded selfishness via welfare states, fiat currency/abandoning the gold standard, endless social programs and so on, until we started to believe our own bullshit that the party would never end. Boomers stood in the best position at the beginning of this trend to take full advantage and project onto others that the party's still going strong when the fucking house is on fire.

My boomer parents inadvertently summed it up real well once: "I don't like charities." I asked why not. "Because charities take the onus off government to provide for people."
And there it is. Daddy government, folks. The answer to all society's problems, big government, no personal responsibility. Infantilization, perpetual childhood. The idea of charity, of the community giving to itself by itself, was uncomfortable for them because it meant they had to feel/do something for someone less fortunate. The same apparently goes in a lot of cases for anything that makes them feel like they have any sort of duty. I had boomer parents that could barely behave like adults while I was growing up, and my grandparents weren't able to command their respect just like culture or tradition wasn't able to. My generation ended up looking with bemusement at our parents, just as we ended up taking care of their drunk asses after their weekend benders and knowing intrinsically something was horribly wrong.
 
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Throughout their lifetimes, the sheer size of the Baby Boomer demographic has resulted in the commercial sector catering to their every whim, from children's toys advertisements in the 50's to an infinite number of hucksters shilling shitty old people products in the back of Reader's Digest today. To a degree, this has even infected the academic consensus over recent history. When the Boomers were college students in the '60s, the student protest movement/ counterculture burgeoned, and the Reaganite neoliberal consensus 20 years later was driven by Boomers joining the corporate world as young professionals. All of this has given them a generational case of main character syndrome, exacerbated by the fact that they control nearly every lever of power in the modern United States. This is why the lockdowns, which punished the young to benefit the old, were accepted by nearly every American center of power simultaneously. It's also why Social Security reform isn't going to happen for at least another 10-20 years, why the leadership of both major political parties is geriatric (even to the extent of some party leaders being late Silent Generation), and why burgeoning, disgruntled youth movements centered around the redistribution of the Boomers' amazing wealth and power have arisen in the form of democratic socialism on the left and national conservatism on the right. Ultimately, there's not much that can be done about the problem besides letting the swell on the population pyramid ripple through its last stages and making plans to pick up the pieces after they're all dead.
I wish they would hurry up and die. It sounds fucking callous to say this but I would rather my parents be dead than my children have to live in the world they are creating. I mean that genuinely.

Something else contributing to the problem is that they just won't die because humans are living longer than ever. It's like their numbers haven't thinned out over time at all in relation to the other generations. They project their own laziness onto anyone who isn't one of their cohorts and it is disgusting. I have worked with many boomers and most of them are utter shit in any line of work I have had the displeasure of being around them in. Gen Xers have their problems but I would take 1 gen X over 10 boomers because they have a fucking brain in their head.

Boomers were all about their free love shit back in the day now it's "fuck you I got mine," no fuck you, just die already.
 
Every generation after silent has never faced serious hardship, and therefore had no incentive to improve themselves and live by constructive virtues. If you can survive by minimal effort and aren’t convinced to follow a serious moral dogma you’ll just consoom and refuse self improvement or reflection on the account that life is already good, and therefore it’s best to take a conservative stance regarding your own pleasure and lifestyle.

Both boomers and millennials do this in different ways.

It goes without saying that boomers grew up in a far better time for the working/middle class than modern America. Instead of developing critical thinking or grit most of them lived easy lives and didn’t know they were setting future generations up for failure because the mechanisms of inflation and outsourcing are lost on them. When millennials struggle, boomers believe “they’re just lazy haha” because that explanation is by far the most convenient for them. It’s simple, relates to their own experience of steady/easier success, and demands no moral reflection on their part.

Millennials were often born into the luxury of upper middle class childhood in the last “good” years, raised by boomers to be as hedonistic as themselves, swooned by neoliberal culture which teaches that self-indulgence is the best thing you can strive for, and then shoved into a world full of anti-terrorist wars, collapsing financial security and a social culture rapidly decaying and changing, while still having many of the luxuries the richest nation on earth has to offer. They ask “why can’t everyone be nice/use robots to support UBI”?, and become the left leaning socialite consumers living rent free in the heads of every American right-winger.

It’s common throughout history for civilizations to go through periods of expansion/success followed by decadence where the descendants of “good” generations turn inwards and cause their own problems. Rome is a great example of this. America isn’t too special.
 
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How did they get this way? They bought the hype that they were "special" for no other reason than their parents - the "greatest" generation, you've surely heard - told them so.
 
I wish they would hurry up and die. It sounds fucking callous to say this but I would rather my parents be dead than my children have to live in the world they are creating. I mean that genuinely.

Something else contributing to the problem is that they just won't die because humans are living longer than ever. It's like their numbers haven't thinned out over time at all in relation to the other generations. They project their own laziness onto anyone who isn't one of their cohorts and it is disgusting. I have worked with many boomers and most of them are utter shit in any line of work I have had the displeasure of being around them in. Gen Xers have their problems but I would take 1 gen X over 10 boomers because they have a fucking brain in their head.

Boomers were all about their free love shit back in the day now it's "fuck you I got mine," no fuck you, just die already.
Not trying to self promote but I sort of touched on this in a thread I just posted. It’s obscene when you start to itemize and enumerate all the companies and methods in which there’s been a behemoth of profitability centered around “how do we keep the geezers alive as long as possible”.

I could be mistaken but I’m certain most of these care homes, nursing agencies, medical supply companies, and the like all basically have an entire profit model that ultimately winds up with “well we just bill Medicare/social security/tricare/insurance companies”.
 
We are way behind where we should be tech wise in the 2020s, no Ghost in The Shell style cyborgs, no massive VR internet and no real AI.
That happened probably because the enthusiasm for the 21st century died off after the early 2010's after seeing how the future wasn't as cool and fancy as people predicted as well as the disadvantages of living in a digital world, could be why nostalgia was a big part of pop culture these past 10 years or so.
 
That happened probably because the enthusiasm for the 21st century died off after the early 2010's after seeing how the future wasn't as cool and fancy as people predicted as well as the disadvantages of living in a digital world, could be why nostalgia was a big part of pop culture these past 10 years or so.
The last time people took futurism seriously was the early 2010s, then along the way people got really obsessed with dredging up negative aspects of the past, trying to settle old scores, ripping the scabs off of old wounds, ie bitching about slavery, colonialism, Jim Crow etc, rather than staying focused on the future.

The obsession with nostalgia has been people trying to cope while assholes essentially want to tear down all progress and wipe the slate clean.

The 2013 movie Her was the last gasp for real futurism.
 
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The 2013 movie Her was the last gasp for real futurism.
Wasnt that the movie about how a virtual ai gf would suck because she'd cuck you with everyone on the internet?

Futurism died when people realized the future is filled with consoomers and they, by definition, won't produce anything.

As for boomers, I dont mind that they dont share their wealth. They can waste it on all the paper towels and shrimp they want. I just want them to stay the fuck out of my way. Most do, but the ones on top are really fucking annoying. That seems to apply to all generations however, each just has a different attitude about it (boomers are condescending, gen x are smugly whiney, millenials are neurotic, and zoomers are just broken.)
 
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Wasnt that the movie about how a virtual ai gf would suck because she'd cuck you with everyone on the internet?
I never actually saw it, but it's the last time I can think of where a movie really tried to depict the future in some fresh way, rather than an intentional retro future throwback ala the recent cyberpunk revival.

As for boomers, I dont mind that they dont share their wealth. They can waste it on all the paper towels and shrimp they want. I just want them to stay the fuck out of my way. Most do, but the ones on top are really fucking annoying. That seems to apply to all generations however, each just has a different attitude about it (boomers are condescending, gen x are smugly whiney, millenials are neurotic, and boomers are just broken.)
Not staying the fuck out of each other's way is the main issue with the world today, same as with the blacks, the browns and the broads.

As a white man, stay the fuck out of my way and there's no problem, get in my way and guess what? We got a problem.

The same also applies to boomers.
 
In my experience Boomer women tend to be insufferable in the workplace. I will describe a particular subspecies of female Boomer I interact with daily.

They cannot use computers, refuse to learn how, and are maniacally insecure and abusive to younger staff as a result. They play blame games to distract from their incompetence and are hounded by fears that they are going to be replaced by a younger and more competent staff member. Typically these women drive luxury SUVs, have children who will no longer speak to them, and have zero hobbies or interests outside of consooming and signaling that they are a Strong and Independent Female Executive. They will never, ever, ever retire.

Many such cases.
 
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