How do you fight depression? - Let's help each other

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I've been depressed most of my life, but learning about behavior change models has been the most helpful to me in picking up better habits that stick. You can't just whip yourself into thinking or acting in a more healthy way, and most people (myself included) set goals that are too big to reach when you're struggling. It's about going to bed just 5 minutes earlier every night instead of 5 hours if your sleep is poor, or having one more healthier snack than normal and slowly moving towards the habits you want to replicate.

Controversial, but I don't think therapy is for everyone. There's a lot of research about how useful spending time in nature can be, even if you're just in the vicinity of a few trees at the park. There's really something to the whole "touch grass" thing. A microbiome found in dirt, Mycobacterium vaccae, has been called "nature's Prozac" because it triggers our brains to release serotonin. I picked up gardening after learning this, so I try to spend 5-10 minutes every few days outside. No harm in trying stuff like this with prescribed medications and therapy.
 
Buy a motorcycle. There's a reason they're a popular choice for a mid-life crisis.
Motorbikes are awesome, but people need to know just easy it is to have an irreversible life-changing injury on them. Bikes are kickass, but they are serious fucking business, It can be big risk, not like taking up Tennis or something. But if u want to do it, do it, just know wat ur getting urself into.
 
there are many dangers to consider with motorbike riding, a good one is if u lose control and run off the road and into some bushes or an obscure area, if no one knows your there, and if u cant get up, ur gunna be stuck there, hoping by some miracle someone finds u before u die from thirst, exposure, injury, or something else.
 
Motorbikes are awesome, but people need to know just easy it is to have an irreversible life-changing injury on them. Bikes are kickass, but they are serious fucking business, It can be big risk, not like taking up Tennis or something. But if u want to do it, do it, just know wat ur getting urself into.
Doctors hate bikers. Lawyers hate bikers. It's a suicidal fucking sport and a terrible way to transport. Wanna drive, like driving? Drive to a nice lake and run around it. Bring a picnic basket. Bring the dog. Wanna ride two wheels? Bike. You stopped biking at some point, and you know it's fun. Why don't you pick it back up? Good middleground before you start running.

I'm bored of games and Ive done a lot of roadbiking but it's such an undertaking with little reward so Ive been considering running. Now the weather just needs to get warm enough that it's good for amateur training..
 
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There's a lot of things you can do, and you can do several/combine them
  1. Exercise, hit the gym, walk, run, ride a bike, pick up any dance/aerobics classes, buy a DDR mat.
  2. Got to a proper therapist. What I mean with proper is someone that will both make you feel comfortable enough to talk without feeling judged AND someone that will tell it to you like it is. If it feels like a yes-man or you fucking despise going, then change professionals. Yes, it sucks, but anyone that has had success with therapy (myself included) will tell you that your chances of finding a good match the first time are close to none.
  3. Fix your diet. You don't need to go full orthorexic. Just eat good food, including vegetables, fruit, nuts, meat, fish. Drink yogurt and eat honey.
  4. Drink a shitton of water. You might think this doesn't matter but it absolutely does. Switch whatever the fuck your go to drink is at home for water. If your water sucks then get a filter. If your water cannot be filtered then buy the higgest bottles of water you can find in bulk. It'll be cheaper than whatever juice/soda you were already drinking anyway.
  5. Go outside. Just sit outside. If you live in a shithole just sit on your roof or take a bus or walk somewhere that's less shitholish and you can sit down somewhere. Let the sun touch your skin. People underestimate how important sunlight is for your mental well being.
  6. Stop being filthy. Shower everyday. Shampoo your head. Yes even if you're bald or shave your hair. Your scalp is still there you mong, and it accumulates dirt like the rest of your body, plus produces sebum you should be cleaning regularly. Scrub yourself real good with soap and a good loofah. Wear good antiperspirant. Brush your teeth consciously at least twice a day. It doesn't matter if you're going somewhere or not, this isn't about what others think about you, that'll come later; this is about you doing this for yourself, to stop being disgusting and pathetic.
I'll add more to this list when I get more time
 
Talking to people. If you spend your life on a perpetual shitpit on the internet in whatever circles youre in, you're bound to feel depressed. Physically go outside. Talk to people. Go out for coffee with your mom if you have no friends. Get a hobby that means you interact with people. Phone and text a friend. Ask what they're up to, if they're busy. The main point is to make an effort to interact with your environment outside of your phone.

Switching to a flip phone, deleting my social media accounts and actually becoming less brainrotted as a result legitimately benefitted my mental health like you'd never believe, I've been on SSRI's since I was 16, the whole nine. Fuck Instagram, fuck Twitter, fuck the whole shitpit. It sucks the soul out of people. I wouldn't be surprised thats why so many younger people are depressed and acquiring every mental health issue under the sun and whatever label they've got for undersocialised, lonely and bored out of their fucking minds. It's why you see so much schitzoposting about 14 year olds with 100 different seperate identities of people in their head or some shit.
 
In no particular order,
-Stop drinking alcohol, quit nicotine, stop using drugs. If you’ve got issues these things just add fuel to the fire. Addiction is a real beast.
-Have a regular exercise routine, actually work hard and sweat , work on that mind body connection. Gets you out of your head fast.
-Delete social media, I got rid of Instagram, Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter (ESPECIALLY TWITTER), TikTok. If you can’t remember what you watched or read in the last 10 minutes, what the fuck are you using the app for. Bin it.
-Get a library card and start reading books. Any book will do. Self help stuff can work but not for everyone. I like fiction more.
-Engage with your community. Volunteer somewhere, donate to a homeless shelter, find a local cause that you care about and contribute to it. You might meet likeminded people and feel part of something bigger, that’s always nice.

Hard choices have gotta be made and old coping mechanisms aren’t going to serve you forever. Nothing changes if you don’t change it.
 
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Instead of wishing self destruction, turn that energy into "killing the world" rather than yourself.
When I was much younger I struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts. One day I woke up and realized "Hey wait a minute.... I don't actually want to die. I want *other* people to die."

Now, I'm not advocating violence, I'm just saying:

Put the blame where it belongs. We live in a society that teaches us to blame ourselves for all our problems, when much of the time the state of the world really isn't our fault.

There's a common saying: "If everyone you meet is an asshole, maybe the problem is you." Well, no, not necessarily. An *extraordinary* number of people are in fact assholes, and 99% of the people you meet on a daily basis do not give half a shit about your existence.

FUCK those people.

Get up, get out of bed, drink some coffee and a glass of water, do some pushups and situps, and then go out into the world and add value to your own life. Find a good job, make some money, buy things that make you happy, get a pet, get a gf (or bf), and pursue your own selfish self-interests.

Ask yourself what's really causing you to feel bad.
  • Is it other people?
    • What are they doing specifically that makes you feel bad about yourself?
  • Can you distance yourself from them? Can you tell them to go fuck themselves?
  • Can you move on with your life without them in it?
  • Can you - *literally*- pack your shit up and move a significant enough geographical distance away from those people that for all intents and purposes they stop existing?
    • I'm talking literally relocating to another city more than 500m away and losing those people: blocking them on social media, blacklisting their email addresses, spamlisting their phone numbers
  • Can you come up with ~$3000? If you get rid of everything that doesn't fit in a wagon-sized car, you can relocate for about that much
I have done this several times, and you would not BELIEVE how much relief it provides. The difference is incredible. It's like setting foot on a whole new continent.

And once you move on this way, you realize that you don't ever have to put up with that shit again. If people are assholes to you, be an asshole right back. It startles the shit out of them and they stop doing it. Then you can go on about your day.

Sometimes, everyone else IS the asshole. Walk away. Leave those people behind. Go do some fun shit with your life.
 
So Ive had my run in with depression really early on, usual story. Broken, violent household, lots of mom's boyfriends coming over, it wasnt a particularly fun time for me. Needless to say, the day I had access to alcohol/drugs was the day i started sinking into my sorrows. I was either drunk or fucked up on drugs every day. It did nothing for my depression, but it did postpone me thinking about it.

I would continue this behavior, I had a heart attack at 23, but I just kept it up. Until one day I did some shrooms and I got a chance to really look at what my life was. I got to see everything that I was doing to people and myself , and then I had perspective. Life wasnt about living for the next day, it was about living for myself and my personal experiences. I took some time afterwards to be sober and learn some ways to cope with the problems I had. Im not gonna say that shrooms are the answer to all of your problems because they are not, I was always capable of seeing what I was doing to people and myself, I was doing it.

What I really learned is that you need to understand that you are responsible for how you perceive life. If you dont think you have a problem, you will never have a problem. If you think the people dont understand you, they will never understand you. If the world is just awful, it will always be awful.

I used that as a jumping off point for myself and now, I barely ever smoke weed, I might drink once or twice a week, and while i cant say that im cured of my depression, I finally feel like I have a handle on it.
 
if you ever were in similar situation, how did you deal with it?
Keep yourself busy; do some dishes, do a little dusting, clean the fridge, go take a little (or long) walk. Don't beat yourself up or wallow in the situation; accept it for what it is, focus on what you actually do have control over, and don't spend too much energy stressing over what's out of your hands.

Through a few years of therapy and really changing what I focus on, I went from BMJ-style self-beatings regularly and gun-to-my-head spirals to laughing off a layoff and rental potentially getting sold out as just 'one of those things I guess'. It will work out, it'll always work out somehow. There's not an alternative. Just focus on what you have control over, and what small things you can do here and now. You can do it too.

I forgot to say, but for therapy (if that's accessible to you), CBT was what I did for about three years. It's awkward at first, the worksheet stuff always felt like toddler stuff to me and my therapist managed to work around it completely with me so I never did it, but what I took away from it was learning to manage distorted thinking; thinking in extremes/absolutes, assuming what people are thinking, coming to drastic conclusions with no proof to justify my feelings, things like that. I found it to be extremely helpful, and while at first it took a lot of 'manual' thinking and walking myself through the techniques, it eventually just became second nature and I don't even have to use them anymore. It'll feel kind of dumb at first, but if you can incorporate it you'll eventually just develop a healthy enough thought process to where you no longer rely on it. It's something that you definitely need to 'force' yourself to keep at the front of your mind for a while, because it's not natural to approach problems in a rational way (if you are in the position I was in anyway).

And don't forget to just take a nap and watch some clouds now and then.

and while i cant say that im cured of my depression, I finally feel like I have a handle on it.
I like the way you put this, and for anybody out there who's dealing with chronic depression (this is my experience), this is something you slowly learn to come to terms with. There will be some things that happen that bring it out, and the journey becomes less about how to stop it from happening period, but how to manage the feelings, and to just generally anticipate them. You learn to live with it, and by 'live' I mean to actually live and have a life. That little voice is always going to be there somewhere, but you get better and better at working through it and not letting it direct what you're doing.

I'm not a stoic, but at a point I spent some time lightly reading some Seneca trying to find a silver bullet to the worst throes of depression. While I can't say there is one (really it's a culmination of many small things you learn), I will say that the man had a lot to say that one might find helpful. De Ira in particular is an outstanding read, and even if you're not planning to practice Stoicism, it has some nuggets you can incorporate into your life. Some that stuck with me (and I'm going to butcher these) were:

The anger you feel is more dangerous than whatever it was that brought it on. To anticipate hardships is to manage them better; a sailor isn't surprised by a storm, a man in a crowded market is not surprised when being jostled in the street. For as long as you live, continue learning how to live.

He was full of things like that, and if you can find just one or two things like that to incorporate into your daily thoughts you can use it as a foundation to build healthier mental habits.
 
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Ngl CBT (not cock n ball torture) helped me a lot. Understanding I cannot choose what the universe sends my way and how I react has been big game changer.

Realizing some of the things I used to get upset and fixated on never really apply to me or realizing that this isn't my first rodeo when I notice the feelings that lead into the depression despair creep in.

The visualization below helps.

Also basic maintenance of the body. Taken care of myself etc also helped. If you think of it you spend money on maintaining a car or computer. Think of your body as the souls car and your brain as the GPU in your PC. If either of those had an issue would you put off fixing or maintaining?
 

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Anyone who has suicidal thoughts ever found that they're fixated on the most horrible, gruesome and painful ways of ending themselves?

The episodes are extremely infrequent and I haven't made any actual plans or anything, but it's weird that during these episodes my mind deliberately seems to gravitate towards ideas of harming myself in ways that honestly would be some of the worst ways to go.

Might need therapy if the episodes get more common...
 
In addition to getting fit and consistently subscribing to a strenuous physical fitness regimen you like, make sure your sleep hygiene is good. Sleep matters so much more than most are aware of in regards to good mental health. Pay attention to your diet, too. I've said this before and it sounds so simple as to be trite, but I assure you it's correct: treat the body as one piece. What affects one part or aspect of it affects everything else.

Also, I think it's worth it to do some research on psilocybin therapy. I've seen it work very well in me so I can recommend it. It really does rewire your brain. Try and do it in a therapeutic environment if at all possible. Don't self-medicate with it.

Get busy and stay busy. That advice was given to me years ago and it's helped me a lot. Doesn't matter what it is, just get after something. Setup a schedule for yourself if you can.

Ask for help when shit gets hard.

Finally, I don't know if this gets said at all, but I think those of us that struggle with depression and have for most of our lives are always going to. I think if we accept that and then live our lives to avoid the problem we'll be better off.
 
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