How does the Motherfucking Saga change your view on past Chris content? - Self help group of victims of Autism

[pink punk]

Why not both?

that's the spirit

 

[BurningPewter]

As others have said, I can't even see Classic Chris as the same person as Current Chris. I'd continue to remember the good times in private if I felt like laughing at a classic video. But I wouldn't show friends like I used to.

 

[DarksydeCWC]

I think for a long time now I have viewed past Chris and what we have now as seperated entity's. Somewhere along the line (Bob's passing) something in him died and gave birth to what we have today sharing only the physical husk of a person.

I know it's not right or true (or honest even!) But it's how my mind processes it all

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It doesn’t change my view since he always has been a horrible person from harming other people for petty things to the well documented trove of animal abuse he got away with. This just only makes any interaction with his mom more creepy

 

[Ariel]

He was always a monster.

 

[calystegia]

I've always seen Chris as a literal mental child. It used to be hard to assign blame to him, because of that. I was watching through the Geno docs a few months ago, and revisiting proved that to me again - the Alec and Liquid sagas came off not as sociopathic, but as a grotesquely spoiled 8 to 11 year old reacting badly to getting bullied. His fixation on high school, his inability to understand basic cause and effect, his enduring fondness for the world of Sonichu despite everything that's been done to it. These only made sense when I read him as an autistic child instead of a bizarre adult. But even before this incident, there's been a problem with that reading. Maybe he has the brain and emotions of a child, but he certainly has the sex drive of a bloody full grown man. I think the struggle, and inability to reconcile those is what's broken his mind.

I don't know how this changes things. I will say I'm not at all surprised, and it's completely in line with who he is. But I just can't stop thinking about those brief few months in 2015 or so, where he was going out to gay clubs and socializing for the first time in his life, selling those Amiibo sculptures and making his first attempts to support himself (though in, again, a childish and clumsy way), and even in his videos he seemed to be speaking more like a normal person and not in his weird singalong kindergarten voice. There were flashes of lucidity, signs that he was learning. It was unprecedented. It was the only time before or since that I've had hope for him. It felt like he was turning 14, maybe trying to start over at a new school, embarrassed by how he used to act.

He then proceeded to throw that progress away, burn and stomp on it until none remained of it. I'll only briefly speculate on why. Now that he's impossible to read as a child, and has been for several years, he's been much harder to understand. And I don't really care about understanding him any longer, either. He's gone past my ability to parse "who he is on the inside", because as far as I'm concerned he's turned into a numb automaton entirely lost in a shallow, textureless fantasy, taking the path of least resistance through life at all costs. He's given up on making a life in this world. Chris doesn't care, and hasn't cared for some time, and I think that lack of care is what's led to this. He acted this abhorrently to the one person who's supported and hurt him the most, and can still believe the fairytale "so proud of her" nonsense because he just isn't looking at real life any more. He had a conversation in his head as she cried next to him, or whatever happened, and he just doesn't care. Reality is for basic needs, of which he considers sex one, and that is all he uses it for any more. I don't know if he'd even mind prison, as long as he has one person to talk to, and space to stare into.

Chris used to not understand what he was doing. But he does now, and instead of being ashamed of what he saw, he leaned into it because it was easy and got him what he wanted. He figured out how to intentionally wield the manipulation he's always faced, realized it felt good, and dropped everything else.

Chris finally grew up, and I wish he hadn't.

 

[Slick]

He was always a monster.

I think we all knew in the back of our heads he was, I guess a lot of people just figured he was too stupid to do anything. Then again, I believe there's a certain Gamestop employee who would disagree

 

[AlphariusOmegon]

When I think about this, I realize that all of the warning signs were there from the beginning. Chris's mental state was shaky at the best of times and downright broken at the worst. As the years went by we could see Chris's slow descent into absolute insanity (especially after Bob Chandler died).

Everything in Chris's life led up to this moment. This fucking travesty. Chris is the truest example of what happens when everyone in your life fails you.

 

[Mister Mint]

He was always a monster.

tbh I've been surprised for years we never had solid evidence of him grooming a kid or something. I'm pretty confident it was just a matter of the opportunity being presented to him.

 

[lurk_moar]

Past Christ had a major Oedipus complex. He dropped many clues and hints that he was into his mother like cuddling. I am appalled and sickened but not too surprised. I knew this would happen eventually.

 

[AlphariusOmegon]

I've always seen Chris as a literal mental child. It used to be hard to assign blame to him, because of that. I was watching through the Geno docs a few months ago, and revisiting proved that to me again - the Alec and Liquid sagas came off not as sociopathic, but as a grotesquely spoiled 8 to 11 year old reacting badly to getting bullied. His fixation on high school, his inability to understand basic cause and effect, his enduring fondness for the world of Sonichu despite everything that's been done to it. These only made sense when I read him as an autistic child instead of a bizarre adult. But even before this incident, there's been a problem with that reading. Maybe he has the brain and emotions of a child, but he certainly has the sex drive of a bloody full grown man. I think the struggle, and inability to reconcile those is what's broken his mind.

I don't know how this changes things. I will say I'm not at all surprised, and it's completely in line with who he is. But I just can't stop thinking about those brief few months in 2015 or so, where he was going out to gay clubs and socializing for the first time in his life, selling those Amiibo sculptures and making his first attempts to support himself (though in, again, a childish and clumsy way), and even in his videos he seemed to be speaking more like a normal person and not in his weird singalong kindergarten voice. There were flashes of lucidity, signs that he was learning. It was unprecedented. It was the only time before or since that I've had hope for him. It felt like he was turning 14, maybe trying to start over at a new school, embarrassed by how he used to act.

He then proceeded to throw that progress away, burn and stomp on it until none remained of it. I'll only briefly speculate on why. Now that he's impossible to read as a child, and has been for several years, he's been much harder to understand. And I don't really care about understanding him any longer, either. He's gone past my ability to parse "who he is on the inside", because as far as I'm concerned he's turned into a numb automaton entirely lost in a shallow, textureless fantasy, taking the path of least resistance through life at all costs. He's given up on making a life in this world. Chris doesn't care, and hasn't cared for some time, and I think that lack of care is what's led to this. He acted this abhorrently to the one person who's supported and hurt him the most, and can still believe the fairytale "so proud of her" nonsense because he just isn't looking at real life any more. He had a conversation in his head as she cried next to him, or whatever happened, and he just doesn't care. Reality is for basic needs, of which he considers sex one, and that is all he uses it for any more. I don't know if he'd even mind prison, as long as he has one person to talk to, and space to stare into.

Chris used to not understand what he was doing. But he does now, and instead of being ashamed of what he saw, he leaned into it because it was easy and got him what he wanted. He figured out how to intentionally wield the manipulation he's always faced, realized it felt good, and dropped everything else.

Chris finally grew up, and I wish he hadn't.

He grew from a child into a monster.

 

[Mister Mint]

Chris is the truest example of what happens when everyone in your life fails you.

Including, and especially, yourself.

 

[pochacco the pup]

I hate myself for it, but part of me still feels the same way about Chris that I did before the incest leaks happened a few days ago. I'm definitely disgusted and sickened by Chris and their actions, but this recent hard right turn into sexually deviant and unthinkable criminality (the writing's been on the wall about this and lurking in the background for years of course, but I didn't think Chris's actions would ever be this severe or severe in this way) has really only changed how I think about Chris as an individual. I'm just as fascinated, if not more, by Chris than I was before; I'm just not as naively hopeful for Chris's future as I was previously.

 

[Divine right to rule]

Past Christ had a major Oedipus complex. He dropped many clues and hints that he was into his mother like cuddling. I am appalled and sickened but not too surprised. I knew this would happen eventually.

I really never took that as really sexual. Chris was and is incredibly childish with major developmental defects. Him needing physical contact and warmth from his mother was just an extension of his childlike needs for me.

I don't know if that changed, or if it was always this way.

 

[Yamcha's Only Fan]

The biggest thing for me was that chris, unlike other lolcows didn't seem incredibly violent or hateful. He may have dreamed of a world where all his trolls dropped dead but it was done in such a dumb, overly childish way that you had to laugh at it and pick it apart. He may have hit snyder with his car but he didn't seem to do enough damage to really hurt Snyder, and the pepperspray incident was just chris being a fucking idiot. He wasn't a screaming tard or a pedo like Jonathan Ross, Nick Bates, or Jared Genesis. The reality is, that chris just seemed to be some harmless idiot playing with toys meant for someone 33 years younger than him. The worst thing he did prior to this, for me, was sexually assaulting Catherine. I was content in chris just playing with his toys until he was a gray old man and never getting laid without money being involved.

This though? This has put chris right on the same shelf as Nick bates who raped his half sister. Fuck chris.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Yes, but with Michael Jackson, the creative output is so much more distinctly separate from the crime. A more proportional comparison would be to imagine that MJ’s scandal was releasing an openly pro-paedophilia album. I’d find it hard not to see the old songs as a progression towards that end

I think a better comparison is Jimmy Savile, whose entire persona was “eccentric philanthropist, great with children.” In retrospect, you think “But of course.” So it is with Chris.

I’ve found Chris content uncomfortable (or boring) since the Idea Guys, and the revelation that a lot of classic content was essentially dictated by trolls robbed it of its shine. But this revelation has honestly shocked me. I always assumed there were lines he would never cross, like a kind of incel Homer Simpson. Now, who knows? Would he molest a child? Probably! Would he fuck his dogs? Why not? We now know that the only limiting factor on his behaviour has been whether he could get away with it.

 

[Sperghetti]

The signs were there for years; we all joked that Chris was attracted to his own mother. So none of this should really be a surprise.

We really need a good word for "the state of being shocked by the suddenness of an event happening, but not really being surprised by the event itself".

I find this happening more and more as time goes on.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

just wait 10 years for the prison sentence to be over!

Do they let inmates have art supplies? If so, he'd have plenty of time practice his art. Hell, he might even make something of himself in that time span. If only that were anything but wishful thinking.

 

[A Random]

tbh I've been surprised for years we never had solid evidence of him grooming a kid or something. I'm pretty confident it was just a matter of the opportunity being presented to him.

More or less? Chris has never truly been with a child without supervision at any point in time.

When he was a child himself, he was too weak and stupid to do anything and had no interest, and I think the gal-pals were careful not to stay too close to him when he got creepier. He also only displayed interest in women 18-his age, and while one can argue that this is obviously signs of him being into younger girls, he was still trying to stick to legal dating age in his view.

This is a case where he probably realized he could do to her whatever he wanted and nobody could stop him, and then he couldn't shut up about it.

As for me, I'm on the side that doesn't feel anything different about past Chris content to a point. I don't see 2000s Chris or early 2010s Chris managing to succeed at something like this, or that it was as destined as it was. Seen individually, there's not enough in every saga/event/thing to imply that it'd drive him to this point - it's an accumulation of horrible things that created the monster we're seeing now.

The problem is, this shit's still hilarious to me, and I'm not apologizing for feeling that:

Still, modern Chris is a piece of shit who's deserved some punishment for the LONGEST time now.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

I think a better comparison is Jimmy Savile, whose entire persona was “eccentric philanthropist, great with children.” In retrospect, you think “But of course.” So it is with Chris.

I’ve found Chris content uncomfortable (or boring) since the Idea Guys, and the revelation that a lot of classic content was essentially dictated by trolls robbed it of its shine. But this revelation has honestly shocked me. I always assumed there were lines he would never cross, like a kind of incel Homer Simpson. Now, who knows? Would he molest a child? Probably! Would he fuck his dogs? Why not? We now know that the only limiting factor on his behaviour has been whether he could get away with it.

It obviously also makes you wonder what was happening just off camera during every other saga. We were all watching the pony saga for the past month with no idea what was happening