How many nationalists/neo-Nazis/fascists do we have on here?

[ArnoldPalmer]

I was going to write out a much longer, and better thought out response to this, that is, until I read the thread. Holy shit.

Anyway, I don't fit well into any of these categories. I don't necessarily hate blacks and browns, but I don't necessarily like them on the whole, or their presence in my country, either. I absolutely do hate jews and muslims, though. I'm not a socialist, so I couldn't be dropped into the Nazi category. I like the idea of a white ethnostate, but understand that realistically, it couldn't be America, without a really solid genocide. I am a proponent of eugenics/social darwinism, and firmly believe that we'd have an infinitely better and more sustainable world without people below 90IQ. At the same time, though, that's only an ideal and I fully understand that it wouldn't work out. A man can still dream.

I don't just believe, but know, that we are the sum of our genes and literally nothing more. They control everything down to our favorite colors and food preferences. I also know that the genetic differences between the races have a gigantic, collosal, impact on how we behave, and how intelligent and/or creative we are. There is a reason why Africans still live in straw huts, and it isn't 'muh slavery'. It's not even 'muh poverty'. They're just incredibly dumb. It's pointless to hate stupid, and if anything, a little mean, which is why I don't hate blacks, but at the same time, I don't pity them. Their situation in America (that is to say, ghettoized black inner-city neighborhoods) was self-created, and they have the means, but not the will, to make things better for themselves. Their fetishization of thug culture, fatherlessness, voting for their captors, and hard drug abuse put them in that situation, and maybe in a generation or two they might learn that their current way of life is self-destructive.

Aside from that, I'm a moderately libertarian nationalist who wouldn't change anything about the original bill of rights, but I also understand that America as it is today is extremely unconstitutional, and run by oligarchs who are far worse people than I could ever be. I love my country, but hate my government, and I'd gladly take up arms with anybody except the yids to bring the country back to the way it should be.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I was going to write out a much longer, and better thought out response to this, that is, until I read the thread. Holy shit.

What else were you going to write about?

 

[Autocrat]

I don't just believe, but know, that we are the sum of our genes and literally nothing more. They control everything down to our favorite colors and food preferences.

Well that 'knowledge' goes against the science.

 

[Vorhtbame]

That's literally the only cool thing about Christianity: brutality! Strip it off it's extreme beliefs and you get a bunch of fucking hippies speaking in tongues at the sky.

@Give Her The D , I found one for you. They always get mad when you suggest that religion shouldn't be the puppet of the government.

firmly believe that we'd have an infinitely better and more sustainable world without people below 90IQ.

I firmly believe you don't understand how IQ works, Mr. Master Race.

 

[NN 401]

@Lemmingwise


You’ve by now read up on Singapore’s history somewhat.

Lee Kuan Yew’s housing project reform was in direct response to the race riots that happened post independence.
Because on the face of it people have to be made to get along.

Throwing a bunch of disparate cultures together doesn’t a country or nation make.


The Singapore housing project was a government run program that set up quotas based on income and race and religion.

By preventing people from shuffling off into self made ghettos Singapore was able to create nation of people who identify as Singaporeans first and are upwardly economically mobile.

And yes that includes the Malays so people can go piss off with that “not doing Singapore any favors” line.

Turns out that socializing with your “betters” allows people to find other aspirational models of behavior.

Everyone in Singapore enjoys high trust, Japan levels of safety and very high living standards.

I don’t have the time to find the links right now but any article from the Singapore times or the strait (?) on immigration will discuss the antipathy they have for immigrants.

Except, immigrants in Singaporean parlance means foreigners who come to the island and drive up the cost of property.

This was only possible with strong governance and a political system that wasn’t interested in playing identity politics and “superior master race” games.

Lee Kuan Yew posited that a strong autocratic policy was needed because you couldn’t trust the populace to do the right thing on their own.



If the US has lower integration and trust I would point out that we have a loooong history of race hustling as a side gig for politicians.

Our housing projects are where we dumped poor blacks and our rich, virtue signaling leftists are all NIMBYs in disguise who chimp out at being in close proximity to a homeless shelter.

With the exception of bussing we have no real concentrated effort of integration across both class and racial lines. I would say that such efforts are often subverted by various parties for their own gain.
This is, in my opinion, because we falsely believe that integration and assimilation are not necessary for our survival.

Entrenchment along racial and ethnic lines might work out for you in the short term but it is a highly destructive path for the US that will lead to further Balkanization.

I am not saying that different people are going to magically get along. It requires serious effort and political leaders who care more about the health of our nation.

Furthermore,

I don’t know how it is you are on Kiwifarms and you have not experienced some level of alienation from your in group.

I have seen white people treat other whites people from the same middle class neighborhoods like shit for all kinds of petty ass things real or imagined. Not having as much money as the next kid, or even having frugal parents was often enough.

And the catholic - Protestant divide is an old wound that some mega churches love to leverage still.

I don’t really know how you can posit homogeneous groups as being free of drawbacks when we’ve seen such groups turn on each other spectacularly when the out group has been eliminated.
The Khmer Rouge killed other Cambodians.
The Han Chinese murdered 60 million of their own during the Cultural Revolution.
And I found out today that along with the million other horrible things that Stalinist Russia did.. they sent their own recovered POWs to the gulags for “failing.”
Italians were lynched by the KKK.
The Irish here were treated like black Americans originally.
The Irish over there blow each other and the English up...

I mean what is “high trust” when the white people you’re living with are soy latte drinking, hipsters who keep voting for policies that have turned San Francisco and Austin into a dump?

Those lefty white people entrench themselves in high income, homogeneous, neighborhoods, too.

And if you actually get a chance to interact with the elite... well they have more in common with each other than they do with you or I even if they shared our cultural backgrounds on a superficial level.

Because they went to the same Swiss boarding schools, appreciate caviar and own yachts...

And you and I don’t/didn’t.



I’m not asking anyone to sacrifice their personal well being and go live in the crime ridden ghetto as some kind of white savior but... if we get to the point where people are retreating into ethnic enclaves because none of us have anything higher to hold us together or refuse to give each other the benefit of the doubt

Then the American experiment is in serious trouble.

 

[UQ 770]

Do you think the US should've kept slavery?

Essentially if I saw demonstrable proof that black people (or whatever race) was actually inferior then I probably wouldn't mind the institution. Though that said even in a world where we have a verified inferior race I would still support the existence of a human ASPCA of sorts to prevent masters from abusing the shit out of their slaves and serfs on the grounds such a thing is just not conductive to society since it creates psychopaths and lunatics.

This whole theory is hypothetical anyway since I think slavery, serfdom and to an extent peasantry is a psychological state generated by the fact that having someone else above your head make all the descisions is a universal fantasy that I'm pretty sure most people indulge in a little bit in their lives. Think about it for a minute. As a slave, your needs are provided for. To some extent. Life is kind of simple in a way I'm pretty sure a lot of slaves enjoyed. The flipside is of course the power your master has over you and the fact that masters were able to abuse their slaves or otherwise neglect them in horrific ways.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone can become a slave by just submitting and accepting a life where everything is planned out and the descisions are out of your hands. Seems to me most humans fucking suck at deciding their futures anyway, which is why laws had to be implemented to prevent people from signing themselves over into involuntary servitude.

Your destructive, consumerist apathy is badass.

I wish. Much like being honest in my life, being an asshole has also left me with nothing to show for it. At this point I've just decided that I like what I like, and I like to see objects and people get broken.

 

[Autocrat]

Having someone else above your head make all the decisions is a universal fantasy

It certainly isn't mine. I think the world would be dramatically better if everyone did as I told them.

You talk about wanting destruction and yet you're throwing morality into everything. Why isn't colonialism and slavery right, simply by virtue of Manifest Destiny? Why can't people completely dehumanize and abuse their slaves if that's what they want?

 

[The best and greatest]

@Lemmingwise


You’ve by now read up on Singapore’s history somewhat.

Lee Kuan Yew’s housing project reform was in direct response to the race riots that happened post independence.
Because on the face of it people have to be made to get along.

Throwing a bunch of disparate cultures together doesn’t a country or nation make.


The Singapore housing project was a government run program that set up quotas based on income and race and religion.

By preventing people from shuffling off into self made ghettos Singapore was able to create nation of people who identify as Singaporeans first and are upwardly economically mobile.

And yes that includes the Malays so people can go piss off with that “not doing Singapore any favors” line.

Turns out that socializing with your “betters” allows people to find other aspirational models of behavior.

Everyone in Singapore enjoys high trust, Japan levels of safety and very high living standards.

I don’t have the time to find the links right now but any article from the Singapore times or the strait (?) on immigration will discuss the antipathy they have for immigrants.

Except, immigrants in Singaporean parlance means foreigners who come to the island and drive up the cost of property.

This was only possible with strong governance and a political system that wasn’t interested in playing identity politics and “superior master race” games.

Lee Kuan Yew posited that a strong autocratic policy was needed because you couldn’t trust the populace to do the right thing on their own.



If the US has lower integration and trust I would point out that we have a loooong history of race hustling as a side gig for politicians.

Our housing projects are where we dumped poor blacks and our rich, virtue signaling leftists are all NIMBYs in disguise who chimp out at being in close proximity to a homeless shelter.

With the exception of bussing we have no real concentrated effort of integration across both class and racial lines. I would say that such efforts are often subverted by various parties for their own gain.
This is, in my opinion, because we falsely believe that integration and assimilation are not necessary for our survival.

Entrenchment along racial and ethnic lines might work out for you in the short term but it is a highly destructive path for the US that will lead to further Balkanization.

I am not saying that different people are going to magically get along. It requires serious effort and political leaders who care more about the health of our nation.

Furthermore,

I don’t know how it is you are on Kiwifarms and you have not experienced some level of alienation from your in group.

I have seen white people treat other whites people from the same middle class neighborhoods like shit for all kinds of petty ass things real or imagined. Not having as much money as the next kid, or even having frugal parents was often enough.

And the catholic - Protestant divide is an old wound that some mega churches love to leverage still.

I don’t really know how you can posit homogeneous groups as being free of drawbacks when we’ve seen such groups turn on each other spectacularly when the out group has been eliminated.
The Khmer Rouge killed other Cambodians.
The Han Chinese murdered 60 million of their own during the Cultural Revolution.
And I found out today that along with the million other horrible things that Stalinist Russia did.. they sent their own recovered POWs to the gulags for “failing.”
Italians were lynched by the KKK.
The Irish here were treated like black Americans originally.
The Irish over there blow each other and the English up...

I mean what is “high trust” when the white people you’re living with are soy latte drinking, hipsters who keep voting for policies that have turned San Francisco and Austin into a dump?

Those lefty white people entrench themselves in high income, homogeneous, neighborhoods, too.

And if you actually get a chance to interact with the elite... well they have more in common with each other than they do with you or I even if they shared our cultural backgrounds on a superficial level.

Because they went to the same Swiss boarding schools, appreciate caviar and own yachts...

And you and I don’t/didn’t.



I’m not asking anyone to sacrifice their personal well being and go live in the crime ridden ghetto as some kind of white savior but... if we get to the point where people are retreating into ethnic enclaves because none of us have anything higher to hold us together or refuse to give each other the benefit of the doubt

Then the American experiment is in serious trouble.

The length of this wouldn't be so bad if it were better formatted and didn't look like a crazy person's online five minute 2am manifesto for changing the world.

 

[NN 401]

The length of this wouldn't be so bad if it were better formatted and didn't look like a crazy person's online five minute 2am manifesto for changing the world.

I’m on Mobile and seem to be having formatting issues.
I’ll get around to fixing it at some point.

 

[UQ 770]

It certainly isn't mine. I think the world would be dramatically better if everyone did as I told them.

Profile name checks out. I more or less agree on this point, though I do have the ability to admit that in my darkest financial moments I would have seriously considered signing myself over to a master in exchange for a more stable future. Obviously an arrangement like that probably would have sucked in the long run but I can understand the mindset of the people who ended up in a state of indentured servitude and the like. Obviously a bunch of slaves didn't have that choice but the system was stable enough that I presume plenty of them were content with their situation so long as their masters were calm or reasonable people. People can be really unambitious.

You talk about wanting destruction and yet you're throwing morality into everything. Why isn't colonialism and slavery right, simply by virtue of Manifest Destiny? Why can't people completely dehumanize and abuse their slaves if that's what they want?

I mentioned this in my original post on the topic. Abusing people and treating them like shit rarely results in someone docile, and even if it does they're usually just a broken mess at best. At worst, you get psychopaths and lunatics who have no control over themselves and are bound to freak out and break someone's neck. Not good for general stability. Same reason you shouldn't whip farm animals or beat the shit out of your dog when it pisses on the carpet. That's just common sense, to be honest.

Manifest Destiny is a neat idea. Superior ability breeds superior ambition of course. I just don't think conquest should be limited by infantile doctrines like race realism. Jonnie Black Dude can still fly a plane and fire a gun even if some set of statistics says he's .0006% less intelligent than my definitely stupid white underlings are supposed to be. Racial hierachies and caste systems just lead to inefficient societies down the road.

Regarding morality I just filter everything though my own perspective these days and try to be more comfortable with developing a narcissistic personality. As I said, I like what I like. I reccomend this if you want to live up to your profile name, by the way. If you need a set of statistics or a societal code to justify your superiority, you are exceptional.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I subdivide each and every individual down to their own unique race. Then I come up with stereotypes to make fun of.

Sometimes you want to respect individuality but still want to generalize, you know?

Arnold Palmer's race's characteristics include a love of boring non-alcoholic mixed drinks, an unearned sense of superiority, and have you ever noticed you really can't tell one Arnold Palmer from another?

 

[Lemmingwise]

I firmly believe you don't understand how IQ works, Mr. Master Race.

It's a funny comment, but you know what he meant. If someone said "we only should let the tallest 20% of people breed", besides saying holy shit eugenics batman, it would be a kafka trap to say "Yeah, but then the next generation that marker shifts". Well, yeah, that would be the point.

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You’ve by now read up on Singapore’s history somewhat

Alright I've given the topic a little time to breath. So many of the things you say I want to engage with. You write interesting stuff. But you didn't answer the questions that I asked.

I asked you two things; by what metric Singaporeans hate anyone that's not themselves.

And what your general claim in regards to Singapore is based on.

You do not seem to have answered either question.

The reason I ask your source because I'm trying to figure out how you construct your worldview. Just explaining your worldview itself further doesn't really help om that regard.

You seemed to be proud of being on the side of data, but you have yet failed to provide any.

Furthermore you make the claim that Singaporeans completely did away with identity politics and that they regard themselves Singaporean whether they're malay, han chinese or indian and that they hate foreign immigrants equally.

Might I remind you that "Singaporean" is an identity as well. Succesful civic nationalism may be an argument against things like ethnonationalism, but it is still a form of identity politics.

Furthermore, you claim equal levels of trust and safety to Japan, but a cursory glance (by no means authorative or exhaustive) shows that when compared, Japan has higher trust and lower crime.

Crime Comparison Between Japan And Singapore. Safety Comparison.

www.numbeo.com

Spoiler: some more replies

I don’t really know how you can posit homogeneous groups as being free of drawbacks

Where do I posit that? Quote me. I don't think I've ever said it was free of drawbacks. I'm not saying homogenous communities are a cure to evrything.

I don’t know how it is you are on Kiwifarms and you have not experienced some level of alienation from your in group.

Why would wasting a couple of my hours on a new zealand dairy newsgroup cause alienation? I'm really at a loss here what your thinking is. What type of alienation from whom would you expect?

Those lefty white people entrench themselves in high income, homogeneous, neighborhoods, too.

This is really evidence of how much people enjoy homogenous neighborhoods though, isn't it? That even the people that believe wholeheartedly in... let's say the great mixing pot experiment instead prefer to act out the salad bowl results instead.

Then the American experiment is in serious trouble.

It is.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

To any "woke" lolcow, literally everyone on Kiwi Farms is "alt-right." To any "alt-right" lolcow, we're all "woke" instead.

It's almost like a quantum physics thing.

 

[NN 401]

It's a funny comment, but you know what he meant. If someone said "we only should let the tallest 20% of people breed", besides saying holy shit eugenics batman, it would be a kafka trap to say "Yeah, but then the next generation that marker shifts". Well, yeah, that would be the point.

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Alright I've given the topic a little time to breath. So many of the things you say I want to engage with. You write interesting stuff. But you didn't answer the questions that I asked.

I asked you two things; by what metric Singaporeans hate anyone that's not themselves.

And what your general claim in regards to Singapore is based on.

You do not seem to have answered either question.

The reason I ask your source because I'm trying to figure out how you construct your worldview. Just explaining your worldview itself further doesn't really help om that regard.

You seemed to be proud of being on the side of data, but you have yet failed to provide any.

Furthermore you make the claim that Singaporeans completely did away with identity politics and that they regard themselves Singaporean whether they're malay, han chinese or indian and that they hate foreign immigrants equally.

Might I remind you that "Singaporean" is an identity as well. Succesful civic nationalism may be an argument against things like ethnonationalism, but it is still a form of identity politics.

Furthermore, you claim equal levels of trust and safety to Japan, but a cursory glance (by no means authorative or exhaustive) shows that when compared, Japan has higher trust and lower crime.

Crime Comparison Between Japan And Singapore. Safety Comparison.

www.numbeo.com

Spoiler: some more replies

Where do I posit that? Quote me. I don't think I've ever said it was free of drawbacks. I'm not saying homogenous communities are a cure to evrything.

Why would wasting a couple of my hours on a new zealand dairy newsgroup cause alienation? I'm really at a loss here what your thinking is. What type of alienation from whom would you expect?

It was a joke...



This is really evidence of how much people enjoy homogenous neighborhoods though, isn't it? That even the people that believe wholeheartedly in... let's say the great mixing pot experiment instead prefer to act out the salad bowl results instead.

It is.

Dude... I like to sprinkle humor and dry asides in what I write.
I’m not going to do a /sneed every time I employ it.
I really don’t want this whole thing to grind to a halt discussing the meaning of “is.”

Also, I did point to where you could find Singapore specific news on immigration. I’ll throw you a bone here. However, I’m not getting paid to do this so please don’t expect me to dump a million links into my posts. I’m not being rude, I’m just lazy.

Also what general claim are you talking about?
I made two. One was that Singapore is a melting pot/ salad bowl success story. The metrics speak on that alone.


And So what if being Singaporean is an identity?Where do you get that I’m against having a group identity?
I’m not a commie Marxist!!
I’d be a hypocrite if I were since I’m American above all other things.
My point was that Singapore was largely successful in subsuming many identities under one umbrella.

Singapore’s crime vis a vis Japan is largely splitting hairs for one. Both countries routinely jostle each other for being “safest and cleanest” in Asia. There is very little material difference between that two nations in that aspect.

However... the increase in foreigners who don’t share Singaporean beliefs and values is a factor in fluctuating crime stats.
But that’s always been the case anywhere in the world.

 

[Traveler]

The problem is more complex than it initially appears, the presence of shitposters who are just faking and hardline conservatives who draw the line at a certain point creates a certain level of ambiguity. I'm not even completly convinced Null is actually pro-ethnostate considering how much of a subversive little bugger he is outside of his hate boner for the UK.

I mean how often are people really dumb enough to believe that shit, suck tyrant dick and how many of them are also going to be functional enough to look down on anyone enough to come here and play nice with others?

Personally you can be any colour you want as long as you DO AS I COMMAND!

My liege, may I propose a solution (No not that one) that will rid us of our radically dangerous citizens, an accelerationist ethnostate, ban marriage between those of the same race, in about 3-4 generations all objects of hate will be exterminated, you hate the whites breed em', you hate b;lacks breed em' you hate, mexicans breed em' etc... even though I stole this from jregs latest video

 

[Lemmingwise]

And So what if being Singaporean is an identity?Where do you get that I’m against having a group identity?

You said the success was because they discarded identity politics, when it's explicitly identity politics that's part of their success by your own claims:

This was only possible with strong governance and a political system that wasn’t interested in playing identity politics and “superior master race” games.

Now the Singaporeans hate anyone that’s not themselves.

Look, you don't have to share data. I just thought that as someone who was so chuffed about their side's reliance on data and truth compared to "the feels" of those that disagree that you would have had something better than "Singapore is safe", considering that says very little about the relationship between homogeneity and safety.

I don't disagree that Singapore is a success story (if you back earlier in this thread, you'll see I pointed Singapore out as such before you posted in the thread).


There is a link between the levels of diversity in a community and the level of trust that members in that community experience.


I honestly thought you would have had something better and would have given me some reason to rethink my position, because I'm always curious to learn when I'm wrong about something. It really isn't rherotic, I'm genuinely dissapointed, because I thought my ideas would be challenged by something more substantive than "Singapore is safe".

 

[NN 401]

You said the success was because they discarded identity politics, when it's explicitly identity politics that's part of their success by your own claims:





Look, you don't have to share data. I just thought that as someone who was so chuffed about their side's reliance on data and truth compared to "the feels" of those that disagree that you would have had something better than "Singapore is safe", considering that says very little about the relationship between homogeneity and safety.

I don't disagree that Singapore is a success story (if you back earlier in this thread, you'll see I pointed Singapore out as such before you posted in the thread).


There is a link between the levels of diversity in a community and the level of trust that members in that community experience.


I honestly thought you would have had something better and would have given me some reason to rethink my position, because I'm always curious to learn when I'm wrong about something. It really isn't rherotic, I'm genuinely dissapointed, because I thought my ideas would be challenged by something more substantive than "Singapore is safe".

For fuck’s sake, this is going to be a retread of the other thread, I can see that now.

You obviously are operating on a completely different definition of identity politics than everyone on KiwiFarms.
There’s a reason that it’s used as a pejorative. It is not a neutral term.

Identity politics = race hustling dressed up in fancy words.

It is not the same thing as being a nationalist. Largely because identity politics are intrinsically defined by power dynamics in a hierarchy.
Are you equating nationalism to patriotism to identity politics?
Do we need to take a moment to figure out what our personal definitions are? I’m being serious.

furthermore, I made a comment to another poster specifically about some of the racist ass, historically inaccurate cherry picked shit this kind of honey pot post brings out in people. Did you want to back and argue about that or did you want to have an actual discussion?


And what exactly do you think I believe and what should I be convincing you of?

I listed a number of factors outside of “diversity” that leads to civil strife and utilized a highly successful example, Singapore, to illustrate how to prevent entrenchment along racial lines and maintain high trust etc..

I gave you an example that runs counter to your thesis and introduced and elaborated on factors that would influence the data you are pulling your conclusions from.

All of a sudden Singapore’s safety and crime stats are shallow now? But you’re the one who brought that up as a metric and compared them to Japan. What else are you looking for? Maybe you should just go live there???

 

[Emperor Julian]

My liege, may I propose a solution (No not that one) that will rid us of our radically dangerous citizens, an accelerationist ethnostate, ban marriage between those of the same race, in about 3-4 generations all objects of hate will be exterminated, you hate the whites breed em', you hate b;lacks breed em' you hate, mexicans breed em' etc... even though I stole this from jregs latest video

My idea is that we just make everyone Roman via academies worked so well last everyone is still kind of roman.

 

[Traveler]

hey anything is better than anti centrism

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I think I'm unironically a Facist. I support national identity and miltary might + crushing dissenting opinion and strong national religion propagated by the state

I just value order and structure in society over democracy and chaos of choice. I think Facism is the best way to achieve that.

Of course this system greatly disadvantages me and everyone but I'm just ideologically drawn to it. I can't just turn around and say peace for all if I don't believe it

I literally can't fathom this mindset. You recognize and outright state that Fascism makes everyone's life worse and isn't desirable, and you continue to support it. Legitimately how do you not collapse from the cognitive dissonance of "This system is horrible and will make everyone miserable and lower quality of life across the board and we need to implement it now."?