How many nationalists/neo-Nazis/fascists do we have on here?

[NN 401]

I rest my case.

Just like the last time you still can’t answer a direct question.

 

[The best and greatest]

I'm actually surprised at how advanced they seem. They were a proxy for the Ottomans.
Still, from what I gather, the Ajuran Sultanate compared to Portugal in the 15th century seems akin to US vs Iraq in modern times. Are you saying they were 'essentially on par', or are you just pointing to a well developed society in medieval Africa?

Here is an interesting thing:



From the wikis of

Sultanate of Mogadishu - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

+

Ajuran Sultanate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Respectively.

However:
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Sources for Portuguese victory are 4, sources for the apparent defeat are one.

Regardless, it seems at least from a military perspective, the Portuguese were much more advanced. They sacked a bunch of their cities and ultimately won the war, despite Somalia getting help from the Ottomans.

On other aspects besides the military, I think you'd be hard pressed to show that they were essentially technologically on par with Portugal.
I'd say the same for less powerful European countries like Poland and Ireland.

Now I am in the mood for some EU4.

Just like the last time you still can’t answer a direct question.

It is generally poor form to continue speaking rhetorically when someone says "Wait how do you know that?"

A cursory wikipedia scan is still better than nothing, and people will understand. We're lazy too.

 

[Black Waltz]

did anyone whip out their charts yet

 

[Lemmingwise]

It is generally poor form to continue speaking rhetorically when someone says "Wait how do you know that?"

A cursory wikipedia scan is still better than nothing, and people will understand. We're lazy too.

The funny thing is that all he had to do was check my sources, as one of my sources would support his position (and I even labelled it as such).

But somehow that's still "cherrypicked", lol.

 

[NN 401]

Now I am in the mood for some EU4.



It is generally poor form to continue speaking rhetorically when someone says "Wait how do you know that?"

A cursory wikipedia scan is still better than nothing, and people will understand. We're lazy too.

Please.

As if anyone is here to do anything other than circle jerk themselves into egotistic oblivion.

Whatever sources I provide would never be enough to satisfy any of the rabid race monkeys here.

All of it would be accused of being biased.

And that’s even assuming that I’m some kind of “diversity is always good” sped.

Which I’m not.

I don’t actually have a problem with people disliking other races on a personal level.

It’s this pseudo scientific bullshit that grates. I suppose some white people need to distinguish themselves from the dumb white people out there.

Can’t be grouped in with Uncle Cletus now can we?



However,

I’ll play your game: the Singapore model. The autocratic government refused to allow its citizens to ghetto themselves along income and racial lines.
Their housing project turned up integration to 11 and ripped the knob off by implementing quotas where housing had to be doled out according to a criteria of a diversity of incomes, and ethnic backgrounds.

Now the Singaporeans hate anyone that’s not themselves.

E Pluribus Unum.

The funny thing is that all he had to do was check my sources, as one of my sources would support his position (and I even labelled it as such).

But somehow that's still "cherrypicked", lol.

You don’t even know what a dowry is and refused to find out.

Why should I give you that courtesy?

 

[Autocrat]

I’ll play your game: the Singapore model. The autocratic government refused to allow its citizens to ghetto themselves along income and racial lines.

Isn't Singapore like 70% Han Chinese?
Link something.

 

[CaesarCzech]

What's gradually turning me into a white identitarian is the staggering double standards the media shows about crimes when whites are the victims.

Genocide of farmers in South Africa? Not happening, goy.

Sexual enslavement of 1400 white girls in Rotherham? Race isn't an issue, but do blame all men, particularly white ones. Even though the men in question clearly believed that white girls were subhuman.

Jeffrey Epstein deliberately targeted blonde girls and avoiding Jewish ones? You're a Nazi for noticing he was Jewish and his victims were not. However all white men are entitled predators.

Meanwhile when any white person says anything which can be construed as remotely racist in the most uncharitable interpretation the media is full of people talking about 'toxic white cismale NeoNazi privilege'. Black guy killed by the cops? Same thing. Even though in literally every single case it turns out black guy was a violent criminal committing a violent crime, and more often than not the cop wasn't even white.

And the thing that drives me nuts about it is that the majority of the time it's some bourgeois white girl writing this shit and she's not so much anti white as anti Dad. I.e. Dad paid for her grievance studies degree, she got a job with some shit tier company like Vice, the BBC or the Guardian and now she's on a mission to write shit to give dear old Dad a migraine.

And then they will expect The toxic white cismales to bleed for them, Nah fuck that Either we are changing the System or im letting Muslims take you simple as that.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I’ll play your game: the Singapore model. The autocratic government refused to allow its citizens to ghetto themselves along income and racial lines.
Their housing project turned up integration to 11 and ripped the knob off by implementing quotas where housing had to be doled out according to a criteria of a diversity of incomes, and ethnic backgrounds.

Now the Singaporeans hate anyone that’s not themselves.

This is a claim, this is not data.

A cursory glance at what study you might be basing this on hits this:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8306.1966.tb00556.x

But that's from 1965, so I doubt that's it. Can you direct me to the study that you're basing this assessment on?

Isn't Singapore like 70% Han Chinese?

76% according to wikipedia. Huh, that's higher than I thought.

 

[Autocrat]

Sexual enslavement of 1400 white girls in Rotherham?

Stopped reading there. Nice dog whistle, you fucking racist. The real crime is the islamophobia that came from that insignificant scandal.

 

[Coleslaw]

I am a national liberal. I believe in individual rights, but also in group rights such as the right to preserve language and culture. The nation must be strong to protect them both.

 

[NN 401]

This is a claim, this is not data.

A cursory glance at what study you might be basing this on hits this:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8306.1966.tb00556.x

But that's from 1965, so I doubt that's it. Can you direct me to the study that you're basing this assessment on?



76% according to wikipedia. Huh, that's higher than I thought.

This was national Singaporean policy for decades since its independence.

It has not nor ever was an ethnostate by design or by any metric today.

You are the ones making positive claims.

Look it up yourself, I’m not doing it for you.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You are the ones making positive claims.

Singaporeans hate anyone that’s not themselves.

This is a positive claim too, ya know.

I see my instinct in avoiding you in the previous conversation about sex relations was a good instinct. It's a shame because each time I get the impression that you might have some experiences or knowledge worth sharing and worth reading, I get the impression that you have somewhat of a unique perspective compared to most people I talk to. But you seem to insist on only communicating in a completely combatitive way with a whole list of presumptions and mischaracterizations towards the person you're talking to. As such, your message gets lost in the shuffle.

 

[UQ 770]

Dominicans also like baseball; that often overlooked-as-harmless tool of insidious American imperialism.

Seriously; Puerto Ricans, too. I often wonder sometimes if baseball is one of the two or three things that keeps them from going full Grenada.

I've noticed this seems to be a thing in a lot of places where the American Empire once treaded. Cuba likes baseball, or at least Castro liked it. Japan also seems vaguely interested in baseball too. It also like the first stereotype a foreigner will ever mention; Americans all watch baseball. I wonder if it has to do with how often financial analysts use baseball terminology in their explanations of complicated theories and its just infected people from there.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Japan also seems vaguely interested in baseball too.

Vaguely?

Baseball is a pretty big thing in Glorious Nippon; the biggest, to the point that scouts almost exclusively prowl either there, or Dominica/Puerto Rico... especially in recent years.

Baseball was spread in most places OCONUS by natives & locals watching sailors and/or troops play the game; I think most decided that it was a lot better than hunting dangerous things or hurting each other for sport.

I could sperg pretty hard about the linkages that baseball has with diplomacy, and I don't even care much for the game, so I won't.

Because hockey.

Where the game is hunting dangerous things (a puck) AND hurting each other for sport, and the games only last an hour w/o overtime.

 

[NN 401]

This is a positive claim too, ya know.

I see my instinct in avoiding you in the previous conversation about sex relations was a good instinct. It's a shame because each time I get the impression that you might have some experiences or knowledge worth sharing and worth reading, I get the impression that you have somewhat of a unique perspective compared to most people I talk to. But you seem to insist on only communicating in a completely combatitive way with a whole list of presumptions and mischaracterizations towards the person you're talking to. As such, your message gets lost in the shuffle.

Is saying that you need air to breathe a positive claim or an agreed upon fact/given from which we can proceed?


I’m not going to sit here and reenact Peterson vs. Harris 2.0 for four hours and I don’t expect anyone else to either.

It’s counterproductive.

While I found your behavior in the previous thread equally odious, as you might have found mine, let’s move on for the sake of curiosity.

What exactly do you want me to clarify, in good faith this time?

 

[Black Waltz]

What exactly do you want me to clarify, in good faith this time?

that niggers are bad obviously

 

[UQ 770]

I dunno what the hell is wrong with me, but I'm always surprised when I duck out of debates like this and come back to them only to find that its descended to a point where people are trying to quantify the rules of human communication. Sometimes it gets even worse and you end up with schizophrenics trying to quantify things like primordial thought. It seems like some kind of fundamental issue in the human condition where we cannot figure out what the fuck the other guy is talking about.

 

[Black Waltz]

I dunno what the hell is wrong with me, but I'm always surprised when I duck out of debates like this and come back to them only to find that its descended to a point where people are trying to quantify the rules of human communication. Sometimes it gets even worse and you end up with schizophrenics trying to quantify things like primordial thought. It seems like some kind of fundamental issue in the human condition where we cannot figure out what the fuck the other guy is talking about.

that's deep thoughts for ya

 

[Lemmingwise]

What exactly do you want me to clarify, in good faith this time?

We were discussing whether homogeneity in communities engenders trust or not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you find that idea utterly ridiculous and that there is no link whatsoever between either ethnic or cultural diversity and the level of trust that people experience in said community.

I also think you think that anyone that brings forwards that idea is either stupidly mistaken or has evil racist intentions. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm trying to describe your perspective as it seems to me and am completely open to you correcting any part of this.

Sidenote: let's if we can, keep our suspicion of each others intent out of the purview of the discussion. Believe that I'm literally hitler if you want.

Now assuming that I correctly identified your perspective, let's focus on the claim itself.

There is a link between the levels of diversity in a community and the level of trust that members in that community experience. As a community gets more diverse, the level of trust decreases.


I've supplied a number of studies that support that claim. You've said that Singapore is an example that supports the opposite tot the claim.

You know what sources built the foundation for my understanding that the claim is true.

I have two questions in regards to your claim about Singapore.

First, by what metric do "Singaporeans hate anyone that’s not themselves"?

Second, what is your general claim about Singapore based on?

Is saying that you need air to breathe a positive claim or an agreed upon fact/given from which we can proceed?

I think the relationship between trust and diversity in Singapore is generally considered beyond people's general knowledge, compared to needing air to breath.

 

[UQ 770]

There is a link between the levels of diversity in a community and the level of trust that members in that community experience. As a community gets more diverse, the level of trust decreases.

Doesn't this point to the implication that humans seem to prefer being a hivemind where everyone is the same, acts the same and thinks the same? I fully believe less diverse communities do have higher levels of trust but I'm not convinced that operating on a constant overdose of oxytocin and serotonin is neccesarily the best way to get things done.