How much free speech is too much free speech?

[gang weeder]

Death threats and terrorist threats aren't free speech.

No, not me saying I am going to do it, retard. Not fedposting. Saying that it should happen to you. You know, like lefties do non stop, all day, every day. "X person should be banned out of existence bc muh hate speech." Is that freeze peach?

Yup, authoritarians like you don't understand a simple concept like freedom or rights, you want everyone to agree with you or they'd be worth censoring, and agreeing with you is not enough, everyone must be "ideal" to you and you hate the "undesirables" and want them gone.

No, I just want the Overton window moved. Retards like you enable subversion with your inability to perceive anything outside of black-or-white all-or-nothing extreme absolutes of either "literally anything goes no matter what it is" or "everything is totally completely banned 1984 style."

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

No, not me saying I am going to do it, retard. Not fedposting. Saying that it should happen to you. You know, like lefties do non stop, all day, every day. "X person should be banned out of existence bc muh hate speech." Is that freeze peach?

Yes your example is free speech, despite how ironic it is, and the reason for that is that the concept of hate speech is an idea. That's why SJWism is a plague because the people making those retarded statements are part of a cult and are probably mentally ill too.

No, I just want the Overton window moved. Retards like you enable subversion with your inability to perceive anything outside of black-or-white all-or-nothing extreme absolutes of either "literally anything goes no matter what it is" or "everything is totally completely banned 1984 style."

Every single comment you've ever made here is a variation of "I want the fags, the jews and the niggers gone from where I live", it's no surprise I think you want to establish Totalitarianism wherever you live.

Also I'll repeat myself since you still think I want literal anarchy, I said that fedposting shouldn't be allowed and I think criminals and pedos deserve to rot in jail, but in your mentally ill worldview you view any deviancy as a potential form of criminality or pedophilia. Maybe get yourself checked by a therapist weirdo.

 

[gang weeder]

Also I'll repeat myself since you still think I want literal anarchy, I said that fedposting shouldn't be allowed and I think criminals and pedos deserve to rot in jail, but in your mentally ill worldview you view any deviancy as a potential form of criminality or pedophilia. Maybe get yourself checked by a therapist.

What you want is worse than anarchy, what you want is coordinated subversion. Despite acknowledging that "SJWism is a plague" you turn around and defend the right of people you call mentally ill cult members to harm you by any means possible short of direct violence. "SJWs" are not interested in your high-minded concept of "sharing ideas," they just want you dead or otherwise subdued. And their masters have subverted your mind so thoroughly that you think of someone like me as a nOt SeE for daring to suggest that maybe people should fight them back on their own terms.

This is why le freeze peach is a joke.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

comunism should be illegal

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

Despite acknowledging that "SJWism is a plague" you turn around and defend the right of people you call mentally ill cult members to harm you by any means possible short of direct violence.

I never defended their will to hurt other people, I defend their rights to exist because the last thing I want is a genocide which you seem to fully condone. You need to tolerate them, but you have no incentive to accept or condone their opinions which I don't since most of their ideas are retarded.
I don't like Antifa because they're violent thugs, but as long as they don't do anything illegal (and lord do they love committing crimes those commie turds) then they'd be allowed to protest or counterprotest.

And their masters have subverted your mind so thoroughly that you think of someone like me as a nOt SeE for daring to suggest that maybe people should fight them back on their own terms.

Mate anyone skimming thru your profile can see that you're a nutjob advocating for the removal of undesirables. You literally got bullied by two other Kiwis on another thread because your views on Transgenderism are so extreme that nobody takes your shit seriously.
If somehow their "masters" have hacked into your Kiwi Farms account to make these retarded posts maybe I'd listen to you now, but even on this thread you said you wanted people to be censored for their own views which is literally inline with the same Totalitarianism that the left is campaigning for.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/totalitarianism

 

[gang weeder]

I never defended their will to hurt other people, I defend their rights to exist because the last thing I want is a genocide which you seem to fully condone. You need to tolerate them, but you have no incentive to accept or condone their opinions which I don't since most of their ideas are retarded.

This is exactly what I mean with smoothbrained white or black all or nothing thinking. Wanting obvious bad faith actors reigned in = gEnOcIdE. Defending the right to cause any form of harm short of direct violence = defending tHe RiGhT tO eXiSt. You sound exactly like the hysterical leftoids you supposedly condemn putting everything in terms of "genocide" and "right to exist." Let's try this one more time, although I feel like it's pointless since your programming has obviously been activated.

Exchange #1:

>trans people are heckin valid
>no they arent
>oh okay then have a good day

Exchange #2:

>trans people are heckin valid
>no they arent
>wow you are a literal nazi you should be banned off the internet all your assets seized watch your children raped by girldicks and then boiled alive in a vat of acid you subhuman scum

Do you see the difference here? Can you figure out which one of these is an innocent "exchange of ideas" and which one is not?

If somehow their "masters" have hacked into your Kiwi Farms account to make these retarded posts maybe I'd listen to you now, but even on this thread you said you wanted people to be censored for their own views which is literally inline with the same Totalitarism that the left is campaigning for.

Oy vey, to protect ourselves from the threat of totalitarianism, we must defend to the death the right of totalitarians to advocate for totalitarianism! I'm fine with being marginalized out of existence, as long as it happens LEGALLY, god dammit!

Totally incoherent.

 

[draggs]

This is exactly what I mean with smoothbrained white or black all or nothing thinking. Wanting obvious bad faith actors reigned in = gEnOcIdE. Defending the right to cause any form of harm short of direct violence = defending tHe RiGhT tO eXiSt. You sound exactly like the hysterical leftoids you supposedly condemn putting everything in terms of "genocide" and "right to exist." Let's try this one more time, although I feel like it's pointless since your programming has obviously been activated.

Exchange #1:

>trans people are heckin valid
>no they arent
>oh okay then have a good day

Exchange #2:

>trans people are heckin valid
>no they arent
>wow you are a literal nazi you should be banned off the internet all your assets seized watch your children raped by girldicks and then boiled alive in a vat of acid you subhuman scum

Do you see the difference here? Can you figure out which one of these is an innocent "exchange of ideas" and which one is not?



Oy vey, to protect ourselves from the threat of totalitarianism, we must defend to the death the right of totalitarians to advocate for totalitarianism! I'm fine with being marginalized out of existence, as long as it happens LEGALLY, god dammit!

Totally incoherent.

This is all a lot of words to say "I'm inept but it's not my fault" tbh

Totalitarianism is not required to beat totalitarianism

 

[gang weeder]

This is all a lot of words to say "I'm inept but it's not my fault" tbh

Totalitarianism is not required to beat totalitarianism

Again: Black-or-white all-or-nothing thinking. "If you want to punish people who advocate totalitarianism, you must also be one somehow." As I said before, I want the Overton window moved. The Overton window exists and will exist regardless of your heckin' freeze peach pwincipuhs. Your mindset that attempting to move that window = wOw LiTeRaLlY hItLeR is exactly why the people you correctly identify as totalitarians keep getting their way, because they have convinced you that it is somehow "unprincipled" to oppose them.

 

[draggs]

Again: Black-or-white all-or-nothing thinking. "If you want to punish people who advocate totalitarianism, you must also be one somehow." As I said before, I want the Overton window moved. The Overton window exists and will exist regardless of your heckin' freeze peach pwincipuhs. Your mindset that attempting to move that window = wOw LiTeRaLlY hItLeR is exactly why the people you correctly identify as totalitarians keep getting their way, because they have convinced you that it is somehow "unprincipled" to oppose them.

You don't need to move the Overton window towards totalitarianism to beat totalitarianism

I don't know what the rest of your seethe is about other than you sound desperate and defeated, you can't even beat the strawmen you construct that must be tough let me awkwardly pat you on the shoulder a couple times in sympathy

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

This is exactly what I mean with smoothbrained white or black all or nothing thinking. Wanting obvious bad faith actors reigned in = gEnOcIdE.

Yeah and that amounts to Totalitarianism as I've said multiple times. Learn to read retard.
If you want bad actors out of your government like I said on another thread, you get someone to run against them, that's how Trump won and pissed the Liberals whilst knocking Clinton off her high horse.

I've also never made any reference to genocide in this context, I said you wanted genocide, but that's simply because we've seen your type attain power twice in history, first you curb down people's rights by making many facets of their existence illegal, then you kill them all. It happened with the jews and you want something like that to happen again. If it's not literal genocide you want to either ban all the undesirables far away from where you live so you don't have to worry about them or place them all in prison which is what's been happening in Russia for a long time. You're really not as smart as you think you are bro.

Defending the right to cause any form of harm short of direct violence = defending tHe RiGhT tO eXiSt.

Never alluded to that and I said that I didn't like Antifa because they're violent criminals, but that if they weren't acting like hooligans they should be allowed like anyone else to protest and then we could counter-protest or otherwise call out their bullshit. That's what politics should be all about, not censorship, not violence, but disagreements and debates.

You sound exactly like the hysterical leftoids you supposedly condemn putting everything in terms of "genocide" and "right to exist."

Nigger, you are exactly like a SJW, you have literally no understanding of contexts whatsoever.

Let's try this one more time, although I feel like it's pointless since your programming has obviously been activated.

Exchange #1:

>trans people are heckin valid
>no they arent
>oh okay then have a good day

Exchange #2:

>trans people are heckin valid
>no they arent
>wow you are a literal nazi you should be banned off the internet all your assets seized watch your children raped by girldicks and then boiled alive in a vat of acid you subhuman scum

Do you see the difference here? Can you figure out which one of these is an innocent "exchange of ideas" and which one is not?

How about exchange #3?

>trans people are heckin valid
>no they arent
>you're wrong because based on the definition of what constitutes a woman blah blah blah.

Take your own comments for yourself, you view the world in stringent black and white, either people agree with you or they're lunatics. I obviously think exchange #2 invokes an idiot SJW, but not every debate is like that, you think they are because people are either with you or against you in your own rotten mind and anyone against you must be a retard, that's exactly how you perceive me right now.

Oy vey, to protect ourselves from the threat of totalitarianism, we must defend to the death the right of totalitarians to advocate for totalitarianism! I'm fine with being marginalized out of existence, as long as it happens LEGALLY, god dammit!

I'm literally defending your rights to say the dumbest shit imaginable, so yeah that, but it literally applies to you as it does for anyone else. If I wasn't defending your freedom of speech I would probably just tell you to go pick a rope and join the 41% because leftists certainly would want you to die.

 

[gang weeder]

You don't need to move the Overton window towards totalitarianism to beat totalitarianism

I would say I want to move it away from "totalitarianism," but at this point I'm more interested in hearing your 400 IQ solution. Do nothing?

If you want bad actors out of your government like I said on another thread, you get someone to run against them, that's how Trump won and pissed the Liberals whilst knocking Clinton off her high horse.

Oh yeah we just need to heckin' voote harder so orange man can get a second term and piss off the libtards on Twitter. SJWs totally owned epic style!!1 Because electing Trump really solved all of these problems the first time around.

How about exchange #3?

>trans people are heckin valid
>no they arent
>you're wrong because based on the definition of what constitutes a woman blah blah blah.

This is the same as the one I already posted. The tranny will just keep screaming death at you, he doesn't care about your arguments or logic.

Take your own comments for yourself, you view the world in stringent black and white, either people agree with you or they're lunatics. I obviously think exchange #2 invokes an idiot SJW, but not every debate is like that, you think they are because people are either with you or against you in your own rotten mind and anyone against you must be a retard, that's exactly how you perceive me right now.

No, I think you're pretty clearly gray rather than black or white, in multiple senses of the term (you know, gray like an NPC). Rather than being overtly evil you're just a useful idiot.

Never alluded to that and I said that I didn't like Antifa because they're violent criminals, but that if they weren't acting like hooligans they should be allowed like anyone else to protest and then we could counter-protest or otherwise call out their bullshit. That's what politics should be all about, not censorship, not violence, but disagreements and debates.

And yet you are explicitly fine with speech that calls for violence and censorship rather than disagreements and debates. Square that circle for me. And the idea that you care about """debates""" is a joke when you instantly resort to calling people Nazis.

 

[Narutard]

"SJWs" are not interested in your high-minded concept of "sharing ideas," they just want you dead or otherwise subdued. And their masters have subverted your mind so thoroughly that you think of someone like me as a nOt SeE for daring to suggest that maybe people should fight them back on their own terms.

This is why le freeze peach is a joke.

This is all anyone needs to never take your retarded ass serious again.
Everything you're saying is applicable to you, and only you. Even "SJWs" aren't as hateful and resentful as you.
>They just want you dead or subdued
>Fight them back on their own terms
Nigger, do you have any idea what the fuck you're saying?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

If it's not literal genocide you want to either ban all the undesirables far away from where you live so you don't have to worry about them or place them all in prison which is what's been happening in Russia for a long time.

That really doesn't sound so bad, you keep saying it's bad, but the only downside is for whatever countries we dump them at. They'd fit right in with the Canadians anyway.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

Because this issue is near and dear to my heart, I'll throw in my measly two cents.

I'll put this in a KiwiFarms context. I want both gang weeder and snailslime to have freedom of speech. Do I agree with them on everything? Of course not. Do I want them banned from saying what they want no matter how awful, weird, or cringey it may be? Hell no!

I support the First Amendment even for people who hate it.

 

[theshitposter]

The world can survive without free speech. So the question must be how much free speech is too less free speech

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Because this issue is near and dear to my heart, I'll throw in my measly two cents.

I'll put this in a KiwiFarms context. I want both gang weeder and snailslime to have freedom of speech. Do I agree with them on everything? Of course not. Do I want them banned from saying what they want no matter how awful, weird, or cringey it may be? Hell no!

I support the First Amendment even for people who hate it.

Objectivity exists; we're designed by God with the faculties necessary to perceive self-evident truths.

Only one of them can be correct on any given matter of any importance. They can't both be right about something, so whoever is incorrect should be silenced if their ideas are dangerous, regressive, or run counter to reality.

If one of them says men can become women, why shouldn't they be shot out of a canon to Mexico or Canada?

 

[draggs]

I would say I want to move it away from "totalitarianism," but at this point I'm more interested in hearing your 400 IQ solution. Do nothing?



Oh yeah we just need to heckin' voote harder so orange man can get a second term and piss off the libtards on Twitter. SJWs totally owned epic style!!1 Because electing Trump really solved all of these problems the first time around.



This is the same as the one I already posted. The tranny will just keep screaming death at you, he doesn't care about your arguments or logic.



No, I think you're pretty clearly gray rather than black or white, in multiple senses of the term (you know, gray like an NPC). Rather than being overtly evil you're just a useful idiot.



And yet you are explicitly fine with speech that calls for violence and censorship rather than disagreements and debates. Square that circle for me. And the idea that you care about """debates""" is a joke when you instantly resort to calling people Nazis.

My solution is to stop being a pussy ass bitch crying that you're so weak with words that you need to use force to win the argument. Don't just be right, do right

 

[gang weeder]

My solution is to stop being a pussy ass bitch crying that you're so weak with words that you need to use force to win the argument. Don't just be right, do right

So your solution, as I suggested, is "do nothing." Ideologues do not care about arguments. You may as well try explaining to a starving bear why murder is wrong while it mauls you to death.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

Objectivity exists

You're absolutely right. Actually, it's the only truthful thing you said in that whole post.

The problem is that you are not objective. You're a religious fundamentalist and a rightwing authoritarian. You're no more objective than your counterparts on the left. You ever heard that saying, "Same shit, different pile?" That's the left and right in a nutshell.

So please spare me your bullshit about objectivity because you're not serious. You're a delusional ideologue too.

I've seen how you drag out long, meaningless debates with other people here. Beyond this, I'm not wasting my time.

The First Amendment is precious. Period. You can't call yourself an American or say you love freedom, then turn around wanting to destroy one of the foundations of our country. No thank you.

Goodbye, SSj_Ness. Maybe someday we'll hopefully have a friendly discussion together about a different topic.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Unless it's fraud or actually endangering people, I think there should not be limits on free speech.

Too many are getting too thin-skinned and easily offended, and there's too much censorship nowadays.