How much guilt / accountability can you attribute to Chris for his crimes?

[Easterling]

But just how wrong, though? To me personally, it feels like he realizes that having sex with his own mom is obviously not okay in the least (hence why he tried to cover it up when talking to null), but I wouldn't be too sure he actually realizes that what he was doing was rape.

he saw it as a relationship, its quite clear its coercive if not flat out rape as by his own admission she TOLD HIM TO STOP

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

There's no evidence at all that the trolls convinced him to have sex with his mother.

Joking about it/suggesting it ten years ago does not, in any way, relieve Chris of his responsibility.

My guess is that he wanted to do this all along (he made numerous remarks suggesting that he was attracted to his mom), and he saw the perfect opportunity now that she has dementia and can't really resist him. He even admitted in the call/texts that she said no at one point, and that it was painful for her.

 

[nertz]

There's no excuse for this one.

Yes, Chris has the emotional and social intelligence of a 5 year old, and ~25 years' worth of exposure to the worst shit on the internet, which is a recipe for disaster.

Chris still retained enough wherewithal to mislead Null in the 50yo GF exchange, showing that there was at least a tacit acknowledgement of doing something wrong.

Being fooled by weens into frank disclosure is one thing, Chris is too naive to ever learn, but knowing Null would lose his shit is enough evidence for holding Chris responsible here.

 

[Nig Kang Theory]

Total accountability for being the way that he was? Maybe something like 60 or 70%.
Accountability for willingly going through with this? 110%.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

100% for fucks sake I’ve seen bigger retards that know full well you don’t fuck your mum & don’t fuck people without consent

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

I think that Chris is smarter than most people give him credit for. Not by much mind you, but some people on KF seem to think that he's a complete drooling retard who can barely wipe his own ass and couldn't tell you what year it was. He's actually pretty manipulating and conniving, although he's not very smart about it. Whenever he does something really atrocious, he seems to understand that's bad but he always makes up some justification. That's not being a retard, it's him being a manipulator and a narcissist.

 

[I AM FUNNY]

100% accountability, IDC who else was involved he clearly knows right from wrong. he made attempts to hide the fact that he raped his dementia riddled mum. if he was baited into it by the troons then that's also a ass thing to do but its a seperate issue. he is entirely accountable for raping his mum who is suffering from dementia. the troons are accountable for encouraging him to do it but it's not like he doesn't have a history of wanting to whack one out into barb. he did it, he was going to do it, theres nothing anyone can do to stop the fat cunt from doing wat he wants cus the autist troons will always keep funding him. it doesnt matter how many times he rapes his mum, how many gamestop employees he maces or how many people he tries to run down with his car. they just want to protect their Trans Queen and prevent people from misgendering "her" when the only actual suitable term for chis chan is a tub of lard

 

[Honk Hill]

If it wasn't for white western feminists endorsing troon behavior and shitty artwork, Barbs granny-hymen might still be intact.

 

[UndercoverRapist]

I think that Chris is smarter than most people give him credit for. Not by much mind you, but some people on KF seem to think that he's a complete drooling retard who can barely wipe his own ass and couldn't tell you what year it was. He's actually pretty manipulating and conniving, although he's not very smart about it. Whenever he does something really atrocious, he seems to understand that's bad but he always makes up some justification. That's not being a retard, it's him being a manipulator and a narcissist.

This.

People forget that Chris has always been a schemer and manipulator, he just really really sucks at it.

Never ever mistake Chris for a down on his luck retard, he's a grifter....just really bad at it.

 

[Divine right to rule]

100%. He is not wholly responsible for the fucked up life he has had as an adult, but this particular deed? It's his fault. He even bragged about it.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

This.

People forget that Chris has always been a schemer and manipulator, he just really really sucks at it.

Never ever mistake Chris for a down on his luck retard, he's a grifter....just really bad at it.

Unless some proof exists to the contrary, Chris put a lot of planning into this current shitshow all by himself. Based on the call and texts, he groomed Barb for some time. He bought a book about sex and the disabled to help with that. It wasn't a random impulse but rather a calculated strategy to get Barb to have sex with him. And we have absolutely nothing to indicate that trolls were causing this to happen. Chris is absolutely capable of this level of planning.

 

[lanceisbestweapon95]

90%. While I place some of the blame at his severely damage psyche, he still recognize what he did was wrong and kept doing it despite knowing it.

I just think that Chris doesn't quite grasp how fucking bad the thing he did was.

 

[Ken_Penders69]

He is responsible for his own actions. No amount of autism or mental illness will convince me that Chris didn't know what he was doing was wrong. He needs to face justice for his actions. For the first time in his life chris chan is gunna have to learn the hard ways that there are consequences for his actions.

 

[Valhalla]

The thing that makes me think barb really did not concent, is because in one of the logs he says that “she had a tear roll down her cheek” he said he assumed it was due to happiness, but it could have been her just shocked at what was happening. He has no true perception of what people are actually feeling around him, he can only sense his own feelings. “I feel whole, loved, and happy; therefore she must be feeling that too”. All of it is just really icky feeling.

 

[Vampirella]

I remember at one point Chris was going to a therapist or something after his last arrest, I think it was a court order. I can't remember where it was said but some one said that Chris wouldn't talk about the Dimensional Merge stuff with the therapist. He knew enough at the time to not talk about it and it sounded crazy. I don't think Chris is smart, but he is cunning in the way a little kid is cunning when trying to hide a mistake they did.

I do think that the years of having Twitter yes men saying everything he does is right messed with his already inflated ego. I'm sure a lot of them just thought they were making a sad lonely autistic man happy, but it was doing more harm then good.

 

[Invisiblestitches]

Considering how elusive and vague some of his earlier comments regarding the situation were, it seems like he was aware that it was wrong/unacceptable. Blame whoever you want for getting him here, but he knew he shouldn’t have been doing it. Culpable

 

[Testicular Manslaugther]

Chris isn't the kind of single-digit IQ vegetable retarded that some people paint him out to be. She's got a fundemental understanding of right and wrong - she's just an idiot.

She doesn't consider consequences for his actions, and she can be phenomenally gullible. When people tell her what she wants to hear. This is important because while some sort of ween maybe told her that fucking her mum was okay, it'd only spur him on if she already wanted to do it.

She tends to be able to see through bullshit when it's something that's uncomfortable for him. She'll also claim the truth as being false sometimes if it's bad for her, but that's because she's in denial.

Chris is basically a big child. Even children know when they've done something wrong - they're just shit at manipulating their way out of it.

The thing that makes me think barb really did not concent, is because in one of the logs he says that “she had a tear roll down her cheek” he said he assumed it was due to happiness, but it could have been her just shocked at what was happening. He has no true perception of what people are actually feeling around him, he can only sense his own feelings. “I feel whole, loved, and happy; therefore she must be feeling that too”. All of it is just really icky feeling.

Fuck me, I hadn't caught this part. Imagine breaking through the dementia, having a moment of lucidity and being driven to tears by the pure shock of your autistic megachild mounting you. Christ. That's a fate worse than death.

 

[Product Placement]

Chris was dealt a bad hand in his parents and if he had good parents I doubt this would have happened. With that said I have never seen anything that would show that Chris lacks the ability to understand why this is wrong, in fact looking at many of his early rants, he clearly had a moral compass be it right or wrong when it came to sexuality. As of the information we have now, he is 100% guilty, even if someone "pushed" him into he doesn't lack the ability to know it was wrong.

 

[Elescondido]

Considering how elusive and vague some of his earlier comments regarding the situation were, it seems like he was aware that it was wrong/unacceptable. Blame whoever you want for getting him here, but he knew he shouldn’t have been doing it. Culpable

While that could be true i can't help to wonder if him hiding has more to do with him fearing the internet would ruin the relationship and not necesarily cause he thinks he did something wrong.....
If you see the logs he clearly thinks it's all consensual

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

If people aren't responsible for their crimes because they're intellectually marginal and had a weird, shitty upbringing, might as well empty the prisons out right now.