How much guilt / accountability can you attribute to Chris for his crimes?

[Branman65]

He’s guilty for everything and must be punished to the fullest extent of the law

 

[Everything Beagle]

We all know that he is insane, but is he insane enough in the eyes of law.

Apparently you have to be MUCH more insane than Chris to be legally insane. It's a rare defense, and an even rarely outcome.

 

[Beard_Chan]

Apparently you have to be MUCH more insane than Chris to be legally insane. It's a rare defense, and an even rarely outcome.

Even if its ruled someone is insane they dont get off. Instead of jail its an insane asylum for years or in most cases life. All those crazies around its not really better than prison seems like...

 

[BurningPewter]

I've thought for the last few years it doesn't really matter whether selfish people with disorders are meaning/choosing to be bad or not. They're more like escaped zoo animals you need to keep control of

 

[GypsyBard]

I know what I'm about to say is a bit of a divided opinion.
First off before I say anything I would like to point out that it is completely Chris's fault after all he is living in our society and committed a crime but others I believe are also to blame. Maybe not legally to blame but morally they are to blame.

The groups protecting Chris I believe one of them was called the prators or something and another one called The watchmen. They not only encouraged Chris's fantasies but also made sure nobody else would be able to talk to him. Before Chris would actually be able to get push back whenever he would say something insane but since these two groups are really the only people he would speak to and they continuously produced an echo chamber encouraging Chris to go further and further into madness I feel they are to blame for how he turned out.

Literally pick any user of this board and isolate them for years except for a group of people who continuously praise them and any stupid delusion they have for years at a time and eventually they will snap. After all why wouldn't they think there's some kind of God when every idea they put forth is praised.

Think about it they were really the only people to talk to Chris because they were "protecting" and from the mean trolls. In reality they were just fostering a echo chamber where any idea or delusion he has will be encouraged further.

I'm sure they meant well but in the end I do believe they played a large part in this and without their involvement Chris would most likely have not became this insane.

 

[Ser Ciappelletto]

A diagnosis of Chris's mental health and his culpability is best left to the professionals. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me to find out he is a full fledged Schizophrenic.

 

[Flavius Anthemius]

I know what I'm about to say is a bit of a divided opinion.
First off before I say anything I would like to point out that it is completely Chris's fault after all he is living in our society and committed a crime but others I believe are also to blame. Maybe not legally to blame but morally they are to blame.

The groups protecting Chris I believe one of them was called the prators or something and another one called The watchmen. They not only encouraged Chris's fantasies but also made sure nobody else would be able to talk to him. Before Chris would actually be able to get push back whenever he would say something insane but since these two groups are really the only people he would speak to and they continuously produced an echo chamber encouraging Chris to go further and further into madness I feel they are to blame for how he turned out.

Literally pick any user of this board and isolate them for years except for a group of people who continuously praise them and any stupid delusion they have for years at a time and eventually they will snap. After all why wouldn't they think there's some kind of God when every idea they put forth is praised.

Think about it they were really the only people to talk to Chris because they were "protecting" and from the mean trolls. In reality they were just fostering a echo chamber where any idea or delusion he has will be encouraged further.

I'm sure they meant well but in the end I do believe they played a large part in this and without their involvement Chris would most likely have not became this insane.

It's put him on more of a golden pedestal of self importance and not only has made him seem to think he is genuinely a very important and popular individual (well he sort of is, but not really for the reasons he thinks or wants to believe) but that it feels completely out of the question that people can outwardly turn on him and all of a sudden criticise him. He acts like a Carolingian king during the middle ages where if you butt heads with anyone with a hint of vainglory and a reputable following, he will call you nothing but a troll, a damn hater or a neurotypical hindered person (that insult he chucked out from time to time for people calling the merge just a delusion) and outright expected people to come to his aid and pat his ass like he deserves to be kissed at the feet.

I also agree that those people who tried to protect him with cotton wool engulfing his each and every move were just taking a part in a completely flawed plan and wasting their time. He would always seem to seek out enablers and other orbiters that gave him any sort of uplifting reception and engagement whenever he was tweeting absolute jargon (mostly involving the merge bullshit, but also about getting MLP cancelled, trying to frame past trolls as being the source of all his problems, thinking people across the globe will automatically respond to him when he made a random video etc.) And then you have the fact that he was just always downright stupid and couldn't be persuaded with if you tried to talk sense with, he gets fooled by people using female girl anime avatars, he gets deceived by people using a female voice (or is actually a female but is just messing with him), he's too quick to put his faith people in thinking they'll hold secrets from him, and he would always to this day not understand WHY people continued to troll him, because he takes the bait 99% of the time, if he tells people to stop doing something or don't do this because it's annoying/frustrating/rude whatever, people always did it and it got to him. Over the years he's sort of learnt to deal with this, but you can tell that has clearly bothered him for most of his life, but he can choose to not let it bother him if he seriously wanted help and realised that people will always talk shit/criticise you on the internet for even the most dumb things, but that was beyond his level of understanding, because he has the mind of a 6 year old, and it's probably only regressed.

He was just... too stupid to realise that most of this could have been avoided if he went completely silent across the internet as his freak show name and just used random aliases to keep tabs on what he wanted to do, I know he tried this briefly in the past, but he did so to essentially make sock accounts to defend his antics and still got annoyed at trolls, still took the bait, and kept giving them exactly what they wanted.

It really makes you think if he actually wanted most of the trolling and attention to fester despite the wishes of some of the troll shielders/helpers/watchmen whatever, because it just fuelled his self-importance to greater heights, because being popular online was literally the only good thing he had about his joke of an existence, and he was willing to take some abuse in order to reach that level of notoriety.

 

[Roger Whore]

Zero. I’ve been a christorian since 2014. I’m of the firm belief Chris is at his funniest when he is left to his own devices. No need to troll or ween.

 

[Emma Millstein]

For me it's all based on the truth of the situation. I've been holding off on taking a stance because I knew with it being Chris that it wasn't gonna be so cut and dry. Now there's some proof surfacing of Chris potentially being coaxed into this and we don't know Barb's involvement if any. Regardless he did do the crime and does deserve punishment. But the truth should help the courts determine how much is fair. I just hope that Chris learns a valuable lesson out of all of this, gets off the internet (Much to our dismay) and does good with the rest of his life. Probably asking for a lot, but I'm hoping that once his stint in prison is over he's placed into a group home where he's provided with structure and routine that Barb and Bob never gave him.

 

[A Flying Nun]

Honestly this whole ordeal is obviously just a hitpiece from Hasbro in order to stop Chris Chan from stopping MLP Generation 5.

 

[MonoAcid]

He's a grown boy, he knows right from wrong. He knew enough to only brag about getting a gf to Null but not give away who it was because he knew it was wrong.

 

[UzumakiLeaf]

The story Chris's life can basically be summarized as two wrongs do not make a right. Yes, he was horribly harassed throughout his life and the trolls crossed the line on many occasions. Yes, he was handed a shit hand. However, none of this justifies his actions.

I think one of Chris's major problems is he views other people as NPCs in his story. He is the only one that matters because he is the hero in his story. The NPCs around him do not matter in his mind, they are fair game.

The trolls did not make him draw porno of that poor girl. He chose to do that. He repeatedly makes the decision to be a creep and not respect the personal boundaries of others.

That is probably why it was ok to attack that gamestop employee in his mind. Same with what he did with his mother. The only one that matters to Chris is Chris.

Two wrongs do not make a right. The trolls may have done wrong, but so did Chris. He could have made much better decisions if for starters he had more respect for the people around him.

 

[LegoChris]

If the Chris from 10 years ago did this, I’d consider him a monster right now. But the fact is, his mental state has deteriorated to the point where he believes that cartoon characters are going to materialize in our world and live with us. Stop and think of how nutty that is. We know that he kept the awareness that others would view it as wrong, but from his delusional ramblings about Barb getting her memory back, etc, I genuinely think he viewed it as consensual, and remains oblivious to how wrong it all was. Sick, I know, but if you’re that far gone, that lip-babblingly batshit crazy, I can’t really sit here and be all that infuriated. As long as he’s kept out of society from here on out, I’ll be satisfied with the sentence. Just cut him out before he hurts anyone else.

 

[Tears for T]

Chris is fully accountable for his actions. His behavior when he spoke to Null showed that he somehow knew that his actions were wrong. His autism does not absolve him from harming and raping people. He may have a hard time understanding guilt, but it's really in the big picture unimportant when it comes to serving his possible sentence. Dimension merge and his autism bs is secondary to me. If the perpetrator knows that his actions are wrong, he should be convicted as a "sane" person

 

[Nobody Important]

Based on the facts of the matter, I’m about half convinced that Bella or another ween got him to stop his HRT.

As far as M’Naughten goes, though, he’s guiltier than shit.

 

[whotfsaidthat]

i dont believe he's at fault. he's clearly cognitively not really there, plus barb seduced him into doing this, so she should also get some sort of punishment or it should reduce christines sentence (whatever she may get)

 

[Ser Ciappelletto]

Chris is fully accountable for his actions. His behavior when he spoke to Null showed that he somehow knew that his actions were wrong. His autism does not absolve him from harming and raping people.

I think he understands that incest is something that society wants hidden but I am not so sure that he thinks it is considered evil or immoral generally. He seemed really into the "incest fanfics" and he uses fiction like that as his basis for real life.

 

[Tears for T]

I think he understands that incest is something that society wants hidden but I am not so sure that he thinks it is considered evil or immoral generally. He seemed really into the "incest fanfics" and he uses fiction like that as his basis for real life.

If he now did not think that incest was immoral, then why did he feel compelled to lie and talk about his 50+ year old lover etc instead of being honest and say that he fucked his mom?

 

[Dumbledore's Onlyfans]

I think he understands that incest is something that society wants hidden but I am not so sure that he thinks it is considered evil or immoral generally. He seemed really into the "incest fanfics" and he uses fiction like that as his basis for real life.

Chris was always quick and ready to make an exception to any rule for himself.

Remember back in 2011/2012, when Chris was still a virgin with rage, and he made repeated attempts to convince Barb to fuck him, which she declined? Kiwi Farms remembers.

Barb just got too old and too addled to keep him at bay any more. If he wasn't such a blabbermouth he'd probably still be at home raping Barb between trips to Burger King.

 

[Princesswhistlewhacker]

I think this is an interesting question, but I think it's a difficult one to answer. When it comes to Chris, two fictional characters come to mind. The first is Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Like Joffrey, Chris thinks he is untouchable. There's a particular scene that really hits home if you've seen it... it's when the starving common people attack Joffrey and his escorts. Joffrey screams to his uncle something along the lines of, "They can't kill me! I'm the king!" His uncle reacts by bitch slapping him before replying, "And I just struck a king, did my hand fall from my wrist?" Chris literally has this level of grandiosity.

The second character is Jerry, from Rick and Morty. Specifically, Jerry from the Whirlydirly episode. Rick says something to the effect of, "You act like prey but you're a predator; you use pity to lure in your victims. It's how you survive. I survive because I know everything, that snake survives because children wander off, and you survive because people think "Oh, this poor piece of shit, he never gets a break. I can't stand the deafening silent wails of his wilting soul." To me, this fits Chris to a T. He thinks very highly of himself, but he also knows how to use others pity as a tool to better his own life.

In my opinion, if someone is THAT calculating, than they probably knew what they were doing. That isn't to say Chris isn't mentally ill, I'm pretty certain he is, but one could easily argue what flavor of mental illness he has. Is his lack of care for the feelings of others because a symptom of autism is a lack of empathy? Or is he a sociopath? Does he believe in the dimensional merge because he's dilutional? Or does he just crave attention? It's really hard to say at this point, but we might get more insight when court proceedings begin and Chris is actually assessed by a professional as an adult.