🐱 How T2 Destroyed the Terminator Franchise

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Terminator 2: Judgment Day remains one of the most popular movies of all time. When it was released in 1991, James Cameron's sequel to The Terminator was the most expensive movie ever made and was easily the highest-grossing film of that year, as well as the most rented movie after its release on VHS and LaserDisc. But its cultural impact lasted much longer than that single year, as Arnold Schwarzenegger immediately became the leading international movie star for more than a decade, and Cameron continued to dominate the box office with his next three blockbusters True Lies, Titanic and Avatar. This cultural behemoth seems like an incredible sequel to celebrate if it weren't for one thing: Terminator 2 is the reason the Terminator franchise failed and could never recover.

Coming out seven years after the first film, Terminator 2 at first seems like a worthy next step in the franchise. With its mix of returning characters and new faces, bigger action set pieces and an upgraded villain thanks to a super slick CGI, the sequel seems to check off all the right boxes. Yet, there are some truly embarrassing changes that not only undermine the effectiveness of the film itself but ultimately derail a franchise before it even had time to get started.

Brutal Horror Film Becomes a Confused Heist Movie in Terminator 2​

The most noticeable and overarching shift between the two films is the wild departure in tone and pacing. 1984's The Terminator is still a paragon of filmmaking, with its tight structure, memorable scenes and perfect performances, from Schwarzenegger's near-silent menace as the T-800 to Linda Hamilton's sincere desperation and courage as Sarah Connor. There's not a second of film to cut, with a deliberate pace that successfully ratchets up the tension all the way to the final scene, as even the interludes of calm are underscored by the T-800's invincible horror that's lurking on the periphery.

Terminator 2 abandons all of that, with a tone that's hard to pin down and a pace that messily flows in starts and stops. Especially with an opening that mirrors the first film -- a pair of time travelers from the future sent to either protect or destroy a person in the present -- Terminator 2sets up a sequel that appears to continue the energy from the first, only to give audiences something entirely different. That's not to say all sequels must stay true to the original, as there are many wonderful examples of follow-ups that undermine an audience's expectations, but the problem with Terminator 2 is that this departure from tone doesn't connect with the franchise as a whole, a change as jarring as it is ineffective.

The plot of Terminator 2 is simple enough to outline in a single sentence, yet its nearly two-and-a-half-hour runtime is loaded with unneeded voice-overs and a plot that can't decide who its main character is or whether it's a heist film, action movie, family drama or buddy comedy. The best element of Terminator 2 is the introduction of the T-1000, played with mild and indifferent creepiness by Robert Patrick, but even with actually exciting scenes with this new villain, he fails to deliver in any important way as his presence isn't maintained and his terror is forgotten once he's off-screen. Perhaps after realizing they created something way too powerful, the only option Cameron had was to just exclude him from the plot, as there are entire chunks of Terminator 2where he isn't in the movie at all.

Schwarzenegger Goes From Assassin to Daddy Way Too Fast in Terminator 2​

It's hard to know whether Schwarzenegger's performance in Terminator 2 is just another casualty of the tone and pacing issues or is actually the cause of them, but either way, his transformation from silent killer to goofy step-father is hard to ignore. According to interviews, Schwarzenegger and Cameron were determined to reform the titular character into one of the good guys, both as a response to Schwarzenegger's success as an action hero since the original Terminator movie was released, as well as an opportunity to take a stand on violence. But once again, due to a confused script and an overly violent set of main characters, the gunfights and explosions actually accomplish exactly the opposite, transforming the upsetting and terrifying violence from The Terminator into meaninglessly cool violence in Terminator 2.

Violence aside, the concept of T-800 turning good isn't even a problem. There are some great examples of villains exploring those better aspects of their humanity, as seen in Star Wars' Darth Vader and Avatar: The Last Airbender's Prince Zuko. The problem is that this entire transformation is done off-screen, mentioned only through dialogue and feels entirely unearned. Especially through a marketing campaign that spoiled the twist before audiences even saw the movie, the T-800 undergoes no metaphysical journey but simply appears in Terminator 2 as a lovable, brainless goofball ready to protect an annoying little boy he was previously hellbent on killing. This would be like if Vader was seen immediately onboard the Millennium Falcon at the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back, learning how to say "We're doomed" from C-3P0.

The T-800 asks those childish questions about pain and tears that lazy filmmakers like to include as a stand-in for an actual investigation into what it means to be human, so by the end of Terminator 2, Schwarzenegger's character hasn't completed some existential breakthrough or any actual growth, but simply remains the same heartless machine who now knows how to say "Hasta la vista, baby" and give out high-fives.

Sarah Conner Regresses to a Powerless Mother Archetype in Terminator 2​

One of the strangest phenomena to emerge in the wake of Terminator 2's release was to continue to define this new version of Sarah Connor as a feminist icon. If someone were to superficially glance at the character, the confusion is understandable: in an era of musclebound, gun-toting male heroes, this '90s version of Connor does seem to be a similarly tough woman warrior. However, the story Terminator 2 tells ultimately strips her of that power, a role she thoroughly earned during her first run-in with the T-800 in the '80s.

The Terminator is a perfect horror movie that uses its unsettling mix of practical gore effects and unpleasant violence to explore modern America through a feminist lens. The film's use of casual sexism, even before Sarah confronts the Terminator, displays a world where the T-800 isn't some new expression of violence but rather a more extreme version of the misogyny that already exists. Even the men who are there to protect her are threatening and dismissive toward her, hardly the heroes anyone would expect. By the end of The Terminator, all the men die, failing to protect her and allowing Sarah to learn that she can save herself.

The Sarah that emerges in Terminator 2 is entirely removed from the strong woman that ended the original film. Yes, she's ripped, shoots guns and even does pull-ups, but the story Cameron tells this time is overwhelmingly regressive. In one of her rare moments of action after teaming up with her son and the recoded T-800, she is unable to go through with the plan and breaks down sobbing while consoled and directed by her teenage son. And at the very end, taking place in a factory that is eerily similar to the ending location of the first film, Sarah Connor is powerless against the T-1000 and must be saved by the men in her life while all she can do is meekly protect her son.

Terminator 2 Left the Franchise Trapped With Nowhere to Go​

Terminator 2 is a confused movie, supposedly a condemnation of male violence that makes that very thing cool and fun, and supposedly about the creative power of women with a main female character who is powerless on her own requiring an entourage of men to save her. But since Terminator 2 was wildly successful, the trajectory of the franchise was redirected to its themes and characters, making all the subsequent Terminatormovies judged on those grounds. Both Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and Terminator Salvationexplore these similar ideas of machines with human feelings and underprepared heroes with a nuance absent from Terminator 2, yet both films are overly criticized and underappreciated simply because they are not Terminator 2.

People often have fond memories of the movies they watched as kids, and Terminator 2 certainly holds a special place in the minds of gen x and millennials, those born amidst the burgeoning heyday of home video, as well as the dawn of a new era of CGI-focused special effects. But in the 30 years since its release -- especially after the MCU, Star Wars and other franchises brought the concept of worldbuilding to the mainstream as a legitimate way to tell a story -- Terminator 2 now feels truly tragic when juxtaposed against everything that worked in The Terminator.
 
T1000 is still the best bad guy in the franchise, after bad Arnold in pt 1.

T3's chick was a neat idea but not at all menacing. Salvation, nothing really there either. Genisys? 8) and don't get me started on Dark Fate...that goofy ass mexican was hilarious moreso than terrifying.
Dark Fate was so weird too. The guy playing the Rev-9, Gabriel Luna, can actually pull off intimidating -- I thought he did a good job as Ghost Rider in Agents of SHIELD. But he just did not radiate the proper menace needed -- even Loken was doing a better job of it.
 
T2 only "destroyed" the franchise in that there was too long a gap between T2 and T3 so fanboys enshrined an okay movie as "the greatest movie of ALL TIME" and reject a sequel that was basically the same quality and logically followed the previous movie. Doing that caused the execs to panic, gave them a bunch of wrong information about why the movie was 'bad', and led them down an ever continuing downward spiral where they constantly attempt to "fix" the mistakes of T3 and only miss the tone and point of Terminator more and more each time they try to fix it.

Terminator fanboys don't want to hear it, but Terminator 3 made a perfectly good endpoint to the trilogy that had been set up from the very first movie. T4 could have set up an ultimately unnecessary epilogue that followed the war until sending Kyle back and explicitly detailed the time loop that Terminator exists in, but by then they were already trying to do extreme shifts to correct for the criticisms T3 received. Everything since has been unnecessary garbage that the fanboys themselves are the ones to blame for.
 
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I am one of the very rare beings who actually enjoyed T3. I'm not saying it was good or bad, only that it was ok and not as terrible as some make it be. Sure, you can say it's not necessary for the franchise, but then, someone had to send the Ts back in time and for that to happen, Judgement Day still needed to happen despite the events of T2.


What a shallow way to interpret the movie.

Watch again John commenting on how disconnected he's from his mother because he considered her insane. And he might have been correct. At some point, she lost herself so much she needed to be put in a mental institution, leaving John vulnerable to be killed by not only a Terminator, but even some hobo with good luck. And even if she hadn't been locked up, it was clear John didn't want to be close to Sarah because he thought all things she said about the future were lies or hallucinations. And, from his point of view, he wasn't wrong. Even Sarah's preference for partner were about preparing Connor for his fate. He's had to live with that burden since he was a kid and wasn't able to have a normal childhood.

All the "badass" things Sarah was doing caused her and John to grow apart and hurt him.

When she decides to not killing that scientist, it's Sarah accepting that she is human and her prime motivation should be not just physically protecting Connor, but also shaping him into a good person who will become a good leader for humanity in a war against machines. How could she do that if she was doing exactly what the first Terminator did: target someone for a "crime" they haven't yet committed.


There were some sequels back them: Karate Kid, Back to the Future, Letal Weapon. I don't think it wasn't for not having the foresight to do it, it was more like he didn't care.

Too many people can't understand nuanced storytelling anymore. They forget that real people are more than just one layer and that writing characters in ways that show a lot of layers is harder than "LOOK HOW FEMALE/QUEER/POC ect I AM OMG!!!".

How many articles do we see where all anyone cares about is "representation of x"? I really hope that newer generations will go back to fully enjoying characters who are written with more than one dimension.
 
Too many people can't understand nuanced storytelling anymore. They forget that real people are more than just one layer and that writing characters in ways that show a lot of layers is harder than "LOOK HOW FEMALE/QUEER/POC ect I AM OMG!!!".

How many articles do we see where all anyone cares about is "representation of x"? I really hope that newer generations will go back to fully enjoying characters who are written with more than one dimension.
That is my entire problem with the MCU. It started well enough, and had a shitton of good writing from comics to plomb, but it made every character a single trait twat with no depth in the storytelling, as they simultaneously shoehorned in IdPol politics, all to make it the most bland and non-confrontational pablum which even retarded children could identify with.

A good story would be an alcoholic Tony Stark losing his shit and beating the fuck out of Gwenyth whatever her name is, exploring humanity in a complex way. Plus, that actress annoys me, and it would be fun visually.
 
The turd who wrote this bullshit is one stupid motherfucker.

T2 was great. Some of the most recent ones have not been great, or even half way good, though.
 
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That is my entire problem with the MCU. It started well enough, and had a shitton of good writing from comics to plomb, but it made every character a single trait twat with no depth in the storytelling, as they simultaneously shoehorned in IdPol politics, all to make it the most bland and non-confrontational pablum which even retarded children could identify with.

A good story would be an alcoholic Tony Stark losing his shit and beating the fuck out of Gwenyth whatever her name is, exploring humanity in a complex way. Plus, that actress annoys me, and it would be fun visually.
How in the world would that be a good story? Rather than Tony Stark being a good role model as a man who has flaws but is a good husband and father he should be #926485 Abusive Husband figure? The weird obsession with making people objectively awful as a way of 'exploring humanity in a complex way' is why DC can't consistently make hit movies to save its life and why every X-men rip off tv show since the nineties has gone down in flames.
 
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I know I'm going against the grain here, but the first Terminator movie was the only one I liked. Should have been a one off. Turning the Arnold Terminator into a hero ruined the whole thing for me.
 
I know I'm going against the grain here, but the first Terminator movie was the only one I liked. Should have been a one off. Turning the Arnold Terminator into a hero ruined the whole thing for me.
I can see the argument for that. Terminator 1 has a certain charm and feel of a thriller that the others don't. T1 you were never sure what was going to happen or if Sarah would make it out alive. T2+ you always knew they'd make it and generally knew what to expect because they followed T1's formula and you already knew John would survive to save humanity.
 
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