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Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with us doing that. Although perhaps you were merely pointing out that it does nothing to resolve the question of the thread?
How the rest of the rest of the world could help fix the Middle East?
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Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with us doing that. Although perhaps you were merely pointing out that it does nothing to resolve the question of the thread?
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P.J. O'Rouke went over to Somalia and asked one of the UN guys how he'd fix the place. His answer? "Give them better arms and ammunition and build a wall around it."
As shown in the Palestinian situation, there will never be peace until everyone who disagrees with them is dead. And unfortunately Islam is the religion of "You and Me, and I'm Not So Sure About You." Even if the whole world was Islamic, there'd still be Sunni/Shia/Wahabbist divide, and after that the tribal divide.
As shown in the Palestinian situation, there will never be peace until everyone who disagrees with them is dead. And unfortunately Islam is the religion of "You and Me, and I'm Not So Sure About You." Even if the whole world was Islamic, there'd still be Sunni/Shia/Wahabbist divide, and after that the tribal divide.
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I don't think anything can fix the middle east for as long as Islam holds a dominant position in society.
What caused Europe to go from Dark Ages to the modern version? Secular society, education, and the separation of church and state. What caused those? Gradual erosion of the church's power base. That happened because people realized they didn't need religion to contribute to society and the parallel realization that a book from iron age Palestine didn't hold as much value as it was purported to.
When we look at the middle east, we see a culture dominated by a religion that holds itself as being the total solution to all human ills and totally infallible. Middle East now is almost the same as it was centuries ago because the single thing that unifies them is explicitly static. If we wound the clock forward, I'd be willing to bet money nothing would change.
What caused Europe to go from Dark Ages to the modern version? Secular society, education, and the separation of church and state. What caused those? Gradual erosion of the church's power base. That happened because people realized they didn't need religion to contribute to society and the parallel realization that a book from iron age Palestine didn't hold as much value as it was purported to.
When we look at the middle east, we see a culture dominated by a religion that holds itself as being the total solution to all human ills and totally infallible. Middle East now is almost the same as it was centuries ago because the single thing that unifies them is explicitly static. If we wound the clock forward, I'd be willing to bet money nothing would change.
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I have a really great idea that hasn't been tried before:
Leave them alone.
Leave them alone.
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That would be best, but only as long as they keep busy with each other and not look outwards. Islam, and the rest of the Abrahamic religions, are inherently expansionist. They need to spread, and the justifications for it are in their scriptures. If one branch of Islam came out as dominant, I'd bet my last dollar that the adherents would try to spread it to others.
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Thermonuclear weapons could solve every problem there.
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There's no need to help them because they're almost certainly doomed to fall.
Radical islamism is a relatively recent concept (60-70 years IIRC), but IMO it "tainted" the Middle East by painting it in a retrograde light and is slowly gaining ground, not with their ideology, but because they claim that the West is responsible for all their troubles. Considering a lot of the current conflicts their can be traced to the Cold War...
Currently,
- A lot of countries that have at best a decent level of life, at worst are shitholes due to harsh conditions and conflict.
- A few "topdogs" that got here due to a lot of help from a superpower due to strategic importance (Israel) or petrodollars (Emirates, Saudi Arabia).
I don't include Turkey in the mix because they're the "wild card" and play on all sides of the game, what with being NATO and at the same time supposedly dealing with ISIS to get their stolen oil.
Once oil runs dry, all bets are off. The US has the whole region as buddies save for Syria, but as soon as oil is taken out, they will take their ball home and act as if they never knew anyone around these parts save for Israel due to their military power and their nuclear capacity. You don't leave a guy with nukes alone.
This will rile up more extremists who will target then the closest money supply : the oil nations. Sure, they will fight back, but without US support and prefering death over asking the local powerhouse (Israel) for help, they will at best turn into ruthless theocracies, at worst fall down unless Russia or China decides to help them in exchange for some sweet money. My money's more on Russia, China still doesn't dare do more than saber rattling out of fear of getting NATO involved.
Qatar got clever by starting to put their money in something else than oil in order to not be SOL when the wells will run dry, but they are seen as sellouts to the greedy Occidentals.
An Arab Enlightenment to shove away their current Dark Ages and become a powerful civilization (because yes, they were quite ahead in terms of culture and science in the Middle Ages) is possible, but in the current state of things, only by wiping the slate clean.
Radical islamism is a relatively recent concept (60-70 years IIRC), but IMO it "tainted" the Middle East by painting it in a retrograde light and is slowly gaining ground, not with their ideology, but because they claim that the West is responsible for all their troubles. Considering a lot of the current conflicts their can be traced to the Cold War...
Currently,
- A lot of countries that have at best a decent level of life, at worst are shitholes due to harsh conditions and conflict.
- A few "topdogs" that got here due to a lot of help from a superpower due to strategic importance (Israel) or petrodollars (Emirates, Saudi Arabia).
I don't include Turkey in the mix because they're the "wild card" and play on all sides of the game, what with being NATO and at the same time supposedly dealing with ISIS to get their stolen oil.
Once oil runs dry, all bets are off. The US has the whole region as buddies save for Syria, but as soon as oil is taken out, they will take their ball home and act as if they never knew anyone around these parts save for Israel due to their military power and their nuclear capacity. You don't leave a guy with nukes alone.
This will rile up more extremists who will target then the closest money supply : the oil nations. Sure, they will fight back, but without US support and prefering death over asking the local powerhouse (Israel) for help, they will at best turn into ruthless theocracies, at worst fall down unless Russia or China decides to help them in exchange for some sweet money. My money's more on Russia, China still doesn't dare do more than saber rattling out of fear of getting NATO involved.
Qatar got clever by starting to put their money in something else than oil in order to not be SOL when the wells will run dry, but they are seen as sellouts to the greedy Occidentals.
An Arab Enlightenment to shove away their current Dark Ages and become a powerful civilization (because yes, they were quite ahead in terms of culture and science in the Middle Ages) is possible, but in the current state of things, only by wiping the slate clean.
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It took 35 years of the UN, US, various western countries collectively babysitting South Korea until it became what I consider a functional democracy.
Nobody has the patience to do that anymore.
I would dump more money into fusion research and materials science.
Keep the dealings with the Middle East to a minimum.
Nobody has the patience to do that anymore.
I would dump more money into fusion research and materials science.
Keep the dealings with the Middle East to a minimum.
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End all dependence on oil. They can keep the strangle hold market on figs and humus.
Also, dirty bomb the holy land. Not to kill anyone, just so nobody can have it for a few hundred years.
Also, dirty bomb the holy land. Not to kill anyone, just so nobody can have it for a few hundred years.
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Just a further note on the wisdom of trying to democratize a nation.
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/184219.html
Looking at Jong-chul’s photo hanging on the wall, I asked the father if he still harbored some hatred. "I have wished over and over that the incident had not occurred, but if not for my son, I would have lived without knowing about democracy, like a fool. Because of the incident, I was able to feel a kind of happiness, for I was able to realize the true meaning of democracy. But I have heard that young people in South Korea these days are not much interested in such things," he replied.
Sounds familiar...and the wheel turns.
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/184219.html
Looking at Jong-chul’s photo hanging on the wall, I asked the father if he still harbored some hatred. "I have wished over and over that the incident had not occurred, but if not for my son, I would have lived without knowing about democracy, like a fool. Because of the incident, I was able to feel a kind of happiness, for I was able to realize the true meaning of democracy. But I have heard that young people in South Korea these days are not much interested in such things," he replied.
Sounds familiar...and the wheel turns.
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The US has enough oil, coal, natural gas, and alternative energy sources to last us over 300 years.
US #1 in proven coal reserves.
US #5 in proven natural gas reserves. (we burn off a shit ton of natural gas every day because it wouldn't turn a profit)
US #14 in proven oil reserves. (without fracking).
At some point even the thickest person has to question why we are meddling over there.
We all know the answer and yet here we are.
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Give Isreal a fuck ton of VX and close your eyes for a few years. Jew rats > sand niggers.
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Can we work out a deal where we save the Lebanese women?
The prevailing winds are also in Israels favor >>>
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We'd plunder the region for everything of worth beforehand, that goes without saying.
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I'm pretty glad South Korea was the country that got to have that experience. Or otherwise I'll probably be in a camp by now. 35 years is a freakishly long time. No one will have the resources anymore for it.