Culture How To Believe False Things - Until I was 38 I thought Men's World Cup team vs Women's World Cup team would be a fair match and couldn't figure out why they didn't just play each other

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[you can skip this section if you don’t need context and just want to know how I could believe such a crazy thing]

In my chat community: “Open Play” dropped, a book that says there’s no physical difference between men and women so there shouldn’t be separate sports leagues. Boston Globe says their argument is compelling. Discourse happens, which is mostly a bunch of people saying “lololololol great trolling, what idiot believes such obvious nonsense?”

I urge my friends to be compassionate to those sharing this. Because “until I was 38 I thought Men's World Cup team vs Women's World Cup team would be a fair match and couldn't figure out why they didn't just play each other to resolve the big pay dispute.” This is the one-line summary of a recent personal world-shattering I describe in a lot more detail here (link).

I’ve had multiple people express disbelief that this is possible. Here is how it is possible.

Who Are You Going To Believe? Everything Everyone Says Plus Everything You See, or Some Science-Illiterate Jerks?

As I talk about frequently on this blog1, autistic people have a natural tendency to believe that when other people say things they are trying to truthfully communicate what they actually believe. Because otherwise what’s the point?? Several friends say “Yes ok, but you have eyes, right? You can see things yourself?”

Can I? What is it I saw, when I looked around?

I grew up in a suburb of a small Blue city in the 90s. I did not see men fighting women. My time was spent in school where teachers interact via words and chalkboards. My peers were children and their strength was proportional to what grade they were in, not their sex. My siblings were younger than me, so weaker. My babysitter was older than me, so she was stronger. All adults were functionally infinitely strong.

At recess I read books. I opted out of gym as much as possible, it was humiliating and vulgar. The only post-puberty phys ed class I was forced to take was sex segregated so I wouldn't have had any opportunity to see differences. In earlier gym classes I didn’t look around much. Why would I? Are people comparing themselves to see how many jumping jacks they can do? I just wanted it to be done with.

I didn’t watch sports, but even when I was exposed to them they were already sex-segregated, so how could I have observed that women are having a hard time against men? Mostly I just noticed that women were excluded from sports altogether. I was told this was due to sexism, which lined up with everything I had been told about the world, so obviously it was true.

But the Olympics!! What about the Olympics?

Men don’t compete against women, so a casual watching of a nearby TV during a conversation doesn’t give any observations. To notice a difference I would have to look for the reported numbers somewhere on the screen, write them down, and compare them across the events. Again, this is not a level of interest I held/hold for sports.

OK, but what about all of media everywhere?

I grew up in the 90s. My media diet consisted of awesome stuff like Aliens, Terminator 2, Buffy, Xena, Dark Angel, the various Star Treks, The Matrix, Farscape etc. The rule for who kicked ass was "the one that's the main character." If an action movie or series had a woman in it, she kicked ass.

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My books were science fiction and fantasy and Marvel. What determined the winner of a fight wasn’t muscles, it was cybernetics and laser guns, or dark rituals and spell books and magic swords, or getting the best mutation.

The very earliest RPG I played did have a tiny points-neutral modifier for sex, but by the time I bought my second computer game even that was gone. Stats were allocated by the player, and could be modified by race (elf/dwarf/orc, human/ghoul/supermutant) but never by sex. Sex was purely an aesthetic choice. Why would whether you have a dick or not affect how hard you can swing a sword?

The one difference everyone did admit to was men have a modest advantage in upper-body strength, so they’ll do more pushups and pull-ups than women can.

So yes, everywhere I looked, men and women were basically identical. It’s actually very easy to not get any evidence of male physical advantage if you don’t spend much time interacting with the physical world and all your second-hand sources are politely not drawing attention to the embarrassingly unequal parts of reality. And every disparity that does exist is easily attributed to the deep sexism of society which is as well established as the heliocentric model of the solar system.

I hold that — given my experience — I was more justified in my belief than anyone who claims that men playing against women for the World Cup would be unfair. All it takes is trusting that people believe what they say over and over for decades across all of society, and getting all your evidence about reality filtered through those same people. Which is actually not very hard.


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Here and here and here for starters
 
The idea that people may misrepresent things due to ulterior motives, or genuinely because it makes for a more enjoyable piece of media or video game did not occur for him. It's great he's realising this now, but so many people on the internet are autistic and they're not all having this eureka moment. It's why over the last few years the idea that biological sex isn't real keeps getting repeated ad nauseum.
Well, it's one reason at least. (Imagine the role autistic credulity plays in actual troons and pooners...)

Another reason is an obsession with being seen as upper class and the subsequent expression of luxury beliefs. Nothing proves you're on The Right Side of History like publicly claiming to believe actual, obvious nonsense.
At least this guy realized it at some point. I guess if you avoid phys ed and never actually saw the physical differences in action, it's easy to believe there are none.
If it's just one guy truly believing it, there isn't really a problem.
But many young women also believe it, and think a self defense class is gonna help them. Making them overconfident. That's where it gets dangerous for them.
The article's writer is an outlier for sure, but we live in a modern world of unparalleled, widespread, intense delusion. And not just in autistic people or about sex differences.
 
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having sisters and realizing all women are just like them would help banish most delusions.

that vain, spoiled, weak, and whiny brat is what you have to look forward to your entire life

if it's an older sister, you know all consideration for you goes out the window the moment you inconvenience her in some way or parents aren't home

the mystique of women only remains if you keep thinking they're different
 
Damn, and I thought I was mildly retarded for not catching on to it until my mid-teens. yes I was also a nerdy kid who spent way too much time playing RPGs and had no interest in sports
 
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How does a person like this exist? How can you live on this world for three decades and be this way?
Its hard to explain, but the TL;DR is that since autism forces one's thoughts to align on a strict binary of yes/no-true/false, lying and misrepresentation are alien concepts. As a result, autists can be incredibly naive about when they're not being told the full truth or even lied to, but boy howdy when they finally realize they're being lied to and have been lied to we get something like this where the author writes a complete takedown of every single thing they were lied about, and in detail since the lies go from invisible to self-evident almost like flicking a switch.
 
Its hard to explain, but the TL;DR is that since autism forces one's thoughts to align on a strict binary of yes/no-true/false, lying and misrepresentation are alien concepts. As a result, autists can be incredibly naive about when they're not being told the full truth or even lied to, but boy howdy when they finally realize they're being lied to and have been lied to we get something like this where the author writes a complete takedown of every single thing they were lied about, and in detail since the lies go from invisible to self-evident almost like flicking a switch.
Ok. So my next question is. Why do we let people that mentally stunted participate freely in society?
 
Ok. So my next question is. Why do we let people that mentally stunted participate freely in society?
Well, we let literal retards with more chromosomes than brain cells participate to the best of their ability, and unlike those guys autists can and do learn to compensate for these things.
 
Somewhere along the line that was changed into "if the standards weed you out? They were unfair! Everyone, even a 400 pound hamplanet, can be a model if they want to!"
every single malady of the 21st century has stemmed from undesirable women who are jealous of normal people forming happy families

How does a person like this exist? How can you live on this world for three decades and be this way?
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I find this interesting. He has never, ever, done any kind of event, pastime, sport, or hike or something in a mixed group? as a younger woman I did various outdoorsy pastimes. Now I know I’m at the smaller weaker end of the female curve, so I’d expect most people to outrank me. but the men and women I did these sporty things with were a variety. Lads from maybe five foot six to six foot six. Girls shorter than me up to maybe five ten. Some of those girls were national champions or county champions- very athletic, yet the lads who were just a few inches taller than me and built like sparrows were stronger and faster. The women could do things based on flexibility that the men couldn’t, but the men were able to just brute force their way around.
He never kicked a ball around in a group? Never ran? Never climbed a tree? Never fought?
I just don’t understand how you can get to adulthood and not get that men are vastly stronger. he seems to pride himself in being logical but he’s just believed what he’s been told - he’s believed the on screen stuff over reality. I find this really enlightening- everyone’s reality is constructed for them I suppose but his is totally imposed
 
But think about it, if you're an average citydweller or suburbite, nobody is doing anything strenuous, so you aren't around any sort of yardstick to compare women and men. People aren't going and cutting down a cord of firewood in front of their kids or trying to stack up a wall of sandbags; the most demanding thing that anyone, male or female, is likely encountering is changing a tire or moving furniture. And while a woman may struggle a bit to move a couch or jack up a car and heft a wheel around, most of them ought to be able to accomplish it if they really need to. A wheel's what, around forty pounds? Any adult shy of the elderly can probably pick that up and carry it as far as their trunk. So if you're a sperg and you grow up seeing women going around no more inconvenienced than men in their daily lives, why would you suspect that there's a functional difference? I can see how this guy came to the conclusions that he reached. If he'd grown up out in the country where manual labor is more likely a facet of daily life, I think he'd have learned early on that there were tasks that only men attempted.
 
Glad he finally joined the land of the sentient, but 38 years to learn something that is observably obvious at all times? He never watched his mom fail to open a jar that was trivial for him to open? You can't blame autism for this one either, the tism makes you notice this shit even harder and gets you in trouble because you don't have the social skills to understand when speaking the truth is heresy. He's either a total fucking retard mongoloid or he's not willing to admit hes a shitlib and willfully disregarded reality because it conflicted with his shitlib ideology, and this article is him sweeping for himself i.e: "I was only pretending to be retarded".
 
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I can't really blame this guy for being fooled by the constant lies society tells about women's capabilities, and actively punishes people who tell the truth about them. Glad he very belatedly realized he was wrong, but now I am curious if he will take the logical leap and realize that women's supposed strength, endurance, bravery, intelligence, leadership, loyalty etc. are all substantially inferior to that of a man's as well.

Ok. So my next question is. Why do we let people that mentally stunted participate freely in society?
Well, if you send guys like him to gulag for being retarded, you would have to send all of the people who think women are equal to men in any other capacity there too. Not much point to a thought crimes jail if it includes almost all of Western society.
 
He played computer games and tabletop RPGs, so it's pretty obvious that the answer to all these questions is "no"
My kids have had physical altercations over the TV remote and game controllers - it’s like he’s never even looked outside his little self-bubble. It explains a lot about the modern world.
 
Autism's a helluva drug. For some people it just makes them believe whatever bullshit liars like to sell. For others, they perform exhaustive comparisons of 100+ years of sports statistics across many disciplines and extrapolate conclusions that way. Brotha got all seeds and buds.
 
As we all know, men and women are largely undifferentiated.
Soccer is a perfect example of this, because the sport doesn’t allow men to use their upper-body strength advantage at all.

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I struggle to believe that a man could believe the things this fag is saying. If he was a 19 year old girl, sure, I'd understand her Magical Thinking, but it's just baffling that a man would claim to live so far out of reality.
 
Glad he finally joined the land of the sentient, but 38 years to learn something that is observably obvious at all times? He never watched his mom fail to open a jar that was trivial for him to open? You can't blame autism for this one either, the tism makes you notice this shit even harder and gets you in trouble because you don't have the social skills to understand when speaking the truth is heresy. He's either a total fucking retard mongoloid or he's not willing to admit hes a shitlib and willfully disregarded reality because it conflicted with his shitlib ideology, and this article is him sweeping for himself i.e: "I was only pretending to be retarded".
For him, it's most likely he's just kind of a retard. He's probably very sheltered and not terribly observant of the world around him. His parents are likely complicit in this, because they might think he's more vulnerable than the average man due to having the 'tism. They're not entirely wrong.
 
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Autistic people are very literal and he cites action movies and video games as part of the reason he believed men and women have equal strength.
Autists are also unwanted, socially handicapped, kissless retards that tend to hang out only with other retards in mixed age groups with strict gender segregation.
While normy society treats them with kidgloves.


If they do get their dicks wet its with a 4 foot pre poon that they proceed to fuck like Lenny strokes a bunny,they should know they just dont want to face it.
 
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