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How to shutdown anti-vaxxers who ‘tell the most outrageous lies’​

If ridiculous claims spouted by anti-vaccination activists are enough to make your blood boil, here’s how to shut them down.

If you’ve ever engaged with an anti-vaxxer, you’ve probably quickly found there is no reasoning with them, despite just how much evidence you present that proves them wrong.

Fortunately they represent a small portion of the Australian population, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t difficult conversations that can arise at the dinner table or in the workplace if you have family members, friends or colleague who fall into that group.

Their voices have only become louder amid a worldwide pandemic and a rushed but lifesaving COVID-19 vaccine rollout.

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One big issue to unpack is a lot of the myths coming from anti-vaxxers.

If your tactic isn’t to retreat from the table or water cooler, delete or block said person from Facebook (sorry, uncle Bob) and make up excuses why your kids can’t play (conjunctivitis works a treat), there are ways you can soundly approach the topic.

Of course, that’s depending who you speak to.

“The trouble is these are beliefs people have like religion,” Professor Adrian Esterman, epidemiologist at the University of South Australia, says.

“Proof is irrelevant because it’s their belief. They truly believe it. There’s nothing you can do about it really. I can show people papers that say vaccines are safe but it’s irrelevant because they simply won’t believe it.”

Heated debates and pleas to vaccinate are happening everywhere from social media to the doctor’s office and they’ve been amplified since the coronavirus pandemic hit.

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Experts say there is no use reasoning with conspiracy theorists such as Pete Evans. Picture: Instagram Source: Supplied

The simple fact is vaccination has been repeatedly demonstrated to be one of the most effective interventions to prevent disease worldwide.

Still, that’s not enough for uncle Bob who is the kind who embarrassingly shares “plandemic” posts from celebrity chef turned conspiracy theorist Pete Evans or that documentary that did the viral rounds, as well as videos from anti-mask Karens with lines like “we must fight for our freedom”, as if they’re starring in their own weird version of Braveheart.

If you haven’t given up hope yet, here are some of the ways you can approach an anti-vaxxer – if you dare! (Wishing you the best of luck).

HOW TO RESPOND TO ARGUMENTS AGAINST VACCINATION

Dr Tom Aechtner, senior lecturer at The University of Queensland and member of the Australian Vaccine Response Alliance, says one piece of advice is to make pro-science messaging simple, easy to read, and understandable to non-specialists.

“This is something that I personally struggle with, but it’s advice that I always need to be thinking about,” he says.

“The goal should be to make pro-vaccine messages easier to grasp, read, and listen to.”

A 2013 Australian Government guide on “responding to arguments against vaccination” says if people raise arguments against vaccination, the best approach is to listen to the person’s concerns, explore their reasoning and then tailor appropriate information to the person’s individual circumstances and education levels.

People should avoid downplaying concerns or offering overtly personal opinions, respect differences of opinion and consider the personal, cultural and religious background that may influence a person’s decisions about vaccination.

Instead of getting bogged down in studies and references, it’s best to keep it simple and refer them to resources provided by the Department of Health.

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THE MOST RIDICULOUS THINGS ANTI-VAXXERS SAY

If you’re unfortunate enough to know someone tied up in the Australian Vaccination-risks Network (better known as the AVN), the NSW Health Care Complaints Commission in 2014 warned the “AVN does not provide reliable information in relation to certain vaccines and vaccination more generally”.

“The Commission considers that AVN’s dissemination of misleading, misrepresented and incorrect information about vaccination engenders fear and alarm and is likely to detrimentally affect the clinical management or care of its readers,” they said.

Of course that hasn’t stopped the network and its president Meryl Dorey, who have been further fuelled during the pandemic.

A recent video posted from Ms Dorey encourages followers to join her for a “fully-referenced update of the information YOU need to know about the harm and death being caused by the new warp-speed COVID vaccines and the threats from social media censorship and No Jab No Job”.

Ken McLeod, who has been running the Stop the AVN group for over a decade, says the most ridiculous thing anti-vaxxers have said is that the COVID-19 pandemic a hoax, “that the virus doesn't exist and so on which is just rubbish”.

“The more dangerous myths they spread that vaccines cause autism, that vaccines kill people,” he says. “The other one we see occasionally is the vaccines contain tissue from aborted foetuses – that’s not true.”

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Mr McLeod says it’s important to distinguish between ordinary worried people and anti-vaxxers “who tell the most outrageous lies”.

“It’s a bit like talking to flat earthers and quite often the two memberships overlap,” he says.

“It’s almost impossible to get them to see reason – you can present all the science in the world and they will still believe the earth is flat.”

Mr McLeod says his group tends not to worry about anti-vaxxers as much anymore because it’s those who are sitting on the fence or have genuine concerns that are the ones who need convincing.

“Social media, Facebook in particular, have a lot to answer for,” he concludes.

Another anti-vax campaigner that promotes conspiracy theories is Judy Wilyman, who was actually issued a doctorate from the University of Wollongong in 2016.

In a recent newsletter she claimed positive coronavirus tests could just be the common cold virus that’s being detected.

“It is not a ‘medical pandemic’ and there is no justification for emergency powers,” she continued.

One video she shared claims “this is not a vaccine” and “it is not a pandemic” but rather “all a facade to hide the economic reset that is occurring”.

As we know, Evans has been busy peddling anti-COVID vaxx info on social media through the pandemic.

Just last week he wrote, “The big question to ask … Will I allow the govt and big pharma to experiment on me when they have the belief of a ‘one size fits all approach’ even though we are all so divinely unique?”

In another post he wrote: “Please don’t ever let the govt put an untested Poison in your body, where the side effects include death and other life changing illnesses!

“From my perspective, I would say this is a complete clown show, however it is much more sinister than that and people’s lives and wellbeing are being risked here!

“The truth is coming out. Fear is being dismantled.”

In a piece for The Conversation, UK psychology researchers wrote tackling COVID-19 anti-vaccine narratives is paramount, pointing to a study focused on increasing digital media literacy as a route to reduce the widespread belief of misinformation.

“This involved giving people tips on spotting false news, which made it less likely to believe inaccurate headlines,” they wrote.

“Other research has shown that uncovering the rhetorical techniques typically found can reduce susceptibility to science denialism.

“Another solution is inoculation. Research has found that if people read factual, scientific information before anti-vaccine conspiratorial narratives, they can be more resistant to conspiracy theories.”

According to The Debunking Handbook, debunking will be more effective if you structure it in the following way:

1. Fact

2. Warn about the myth

3. Explain fallacy

4. Fact

Dr Aechtner highlights one of the recommendations from the book is that the most effective way to debunk misinformation is ensure that you provide a plausible, easily understood alternative to the myth that you are attempting to disprove.

“This is because: ‘When you debunk a myth, you create a gap in the person’s mind. To be effective, your debunking must fill that gap’,” he says.

“It isn’t quite enough to invalidate misinformation with facts. You also need to replace the debunked myth with a credible substitute narrative.

“Alternatively, you can fill the gap by providing a possible explanation as to why someone is spreading such misinformation, while exposing the persuasive techniques that are behind the debunked myth itself.”

Have you tried to reason with someone against the COVID-19 vaccine? Share your thoughts and experiences below.
 
At least antivaxxers don't want to force you to not get vaccines (for the most part, from what I've seen), whereas the other side basically wants to make them mandatory/government-mandated.

I'm not an antivaxxer, but I don't really just want to shoot myself up with tons of vaccines for every disease that comes about. Same with medication; I only want to take medication as a last resort when there are no other options. Apparently, that's unreasonable in today's climate.
 
I knew it was inevitable that they would lump Covid vaccine hesitancy with anti-vaxers. Look out. Everyone who wants to wait for more data before getting the jab will be labeled an anti-science, anti-vaxer nut job. This is why no vaccines should be mandatory and the right to health care choice maintained. The slope is too slippery.
 
You literally just defined being an antivaxxer.
Vaccines for diseases like the flu, rabies, tetanus are established and have plenty of years of research behind them. If we really started producing vaccines as rushed as this one for every single disease that comes about with any sort of risk for killing people, we would be fucking ourselves up. This vaccine has had less than half the development time of previous vaccines. Do you want this to become an established standard?
 
A notable one would be that soy milk paper funded by the meat industry with very vague and disingenuous portrayal of numbers. These are constantly cited by people who criticise veganism.
Do you have a link to that paper? I'm aware of multiple soy papers, but I never heard of one just on soy milk.
 
We've realized masks have a chance to prevent the transmission of disease for hundreds of years. Early attempts were heavily misguided as with the plague doctors, but during outbreaks in the early 1900s we finally figured out which kind at least did something of worth. You can find plenty of images of people wearing pretty much exactly the same kind of masks that we're forced to wear today. (Including eerily similar messaging)
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And also the same dumb cunts that don't cover the nose. SU NARIZ, PENDEJO!
 
I'm wondering if you deal with 110 degrees and humid weather. I'm trying to understand your understanding of "mild discomfort" and reconcile it with heat exhaustion to the point I thought I was having a heart attack.
I think the issue is more the 110 degree weather than the mask in that case.
 
I wonder if they'll be able to shut down Jim Carrey who's one of Hollywood anti-vaxxers? But I guess since he trust the government for gun control, he might get a free pass.
Hollywood deserves the exact same treatment that Washington deserves, TBH. Thankfully there's plenty of old movies for me to enjoy that aren't Current Year garbage. Wish I could say the same about the geriatric boomers we call "government."
 
I thought the science was settled regarding masks.
Maybe so. But the stuff coming from the big guys (WHO, CDC, Fauci) also takes into consideration availability of PPE, and they didn't want to create scarcity for actual health care workers. Now that every single country is producing masks, they feel safe to recommend two. Whatever they say actually has real world consequences that they have to take into consideration. If they said wear two masks at the beginning of the pandemic then they would all be sold out and doctors wouldn't get any.

I agree they shouldn't have lied like that. But that doesn't mean that their advice wasn't correct in context.
 
How so? If it's 110 degrees outside, you shouldn't be doing much outside anyway, and even then you only need to wear a mask in groups of people outside.

You understand some people live in areas where just choosing not to go outside in 100+ weather is not an option, right? Indeed, they may work outside in that weather?
 
You understand some people live in areas where just choosing not to go outside in 100+ weather is not an option, right? Indeed, they may work outside in that weather?
And? Suck it up, buttercup. If you're gonna be outside, you probably don't need a mask, unless you're in a crowd. How many people are in a crowd, outside, in 110+ degree weather for extended periods of time? Very few
 
heat exhaustion to the point I thought I was having a heart attack
Stop being dramatic. Your spo2 levels remain unchanged when wearing a mask and the fabric is not even as thick as a cotton t-shirt. Unless wearing any clothes at all causes you to have a heat stroke, I seriously doubt the mask was the problem.
 
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