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How to shutdown anti-vaxxers who ‘tell the most outrageous lies’​

If ridiculous claims spouted by anti-vaccination activists are enough to make your blood boil, here’s how to shut them down.

If you’ve ever engaged with an anti-vaxxer, you’ve probably quickly found there is no reasoning with them, despite just how much evidence you present that proves them wrong.

Fortunately they represent a small portion of the Australian population, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t difficult conversations that can arise at the dinner table or in the workplace if you have family members, friends or colleague who fall into that group.

Their voices have only become louder amid a worldwide pandemic and a rushed but lifesaving COVID-19 vaccine rollout.

Vaccinating against COVID-19 is the easiest way for Australians to get their normal lives back, but millions are hesitant to get the jab.
News.com.au’s Our Best Shot campaign answers your questions about the COVID-19 vaccine roll out.

We’ll debunk myths about vaccines, answer your concerns about the jab and tell you when you can get the COVID-19 vaccine.
One big issue to unpack is a lot of the myths coming from anti-vaxxers.

If your tactic isn’t to retreat from the table or water cooler, delete or block said person from Facebook (sorry, uncle Bob) and make up excuses why your kids can’t play (conjunctivitis works a treat), there are ways you can soundly approach the topic.

Of course, that’s depending who you speak to.

“The trouble is these are beliefs people have like religion,” Professor Adrian Esterman, epidemiologist at the University of South Australia, says.

“Proof is irrelevant because it’s their belief. They truly believe it. There’s nothing you can do about it really. I can show people papers that say vaccines are safe but it’s irrelevant because they simply won’t believe it.”

Heated debates and pleas to vaccinate are happening everywhere from social media to the doctor’s office and they’ve been amplified since the coronavirus pandemic hit.

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Experts say there is no use reasoning with conspiracy theorists such as Pete Evans. Picture: Instagram Source: Supplied

The simple fact is vaccination has been repeatedly demonstrated to be one of the most effective interventions to prevent disease worldwide.

Still, that’s not enough for uncle Bob who is the kind who embarrassingly shares “plandemic” posts from celebrity chef turned conspiracy theorist Pete Evans or that documentary that did the viral rounds, as well as videos from anti-mask Karens with lines like “we must fight for our freedom”, as if they’re starring in their own weird version of Braveheart.

If you haven’t given up hope yet, here are some of the ways you can approach an anti-vaxxer – if you dare! (Wishing you the best of luck).

HOW TO RESPOND TO ARGUMENTS AGAINST VACCINATION

Dr Tom Aechtner, senior lecturer at The University of Queensland and member of the Australian Vaccine Response Alliance, says one piece of advice is to make pro-science messaging simple, easy to read, and understandable to non-specialists.

“This is something that I personally struggle with, but it’s advice that I always need to be thinking about,” he says.

“The goal should be to make pro-vaccine messages easier to grasp, read, and listen to.”

A 2013 Australian Government guide on “responding to arguments against vaccination” says if people raise arguments against vaccination, the best approach is to listen to the person’s concerns, explore their reasoning and then tailor appropriate information to the person’s individual circumstances and education levels.

People should avoid downplaying concerns or offering overtly personal opinions, respect differences of opinion and consider the personal, cultural and religious background that may influence a person’s decisions about vaccination.

Instead of getting bogged down in studies and references, it’s best to keep it simple and refer them to resources provided by the Department of Health.

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THE MOST RIDICULOUS THINGS ANTI-VAXXERS SAY

If you’re unfortunate enough to know someone tied up in the Australian Vaccination-risks Network (better known as the AVN), the NSW Health Care Complaints Commission in 2014 warned the “AVN does not provide reliable information in relation to certain vaccines and vaccination more generally”.

“The Commission considers that AVN’s dissemination of misleading, misrepresented and incorrect information about vaccination engenders fear and alarm and is likely to detrimentally affect the clinical management or care of its readers,” they said.

Of course that hasn’t stopped the network and its president Meryl Dorey, who have been further fuelled during the pandemic.

A recent video posted from Ms Dorey encourages followers to join her for a “fully-referenced update of the information YOU need to know about the harm and death being caused by the new warp-speed COVID vaccines and the threats from social media censorship and No Jab No Job”.

Ken McLeod, who has been running the Stop the AVN group for over a decade, says the most ridiculous thing anti-vaxxers have said is that the COVID-19 pandemic a hoax, “that the virus doesn't exist and so on which is just rubbish”.

“The more dangerous myths they spread that vaccines cause autism, that vaccines kill people,” he says. “The other one we see occasionally is the vaccines contain tissue from aborted foetuses – that’s not true.”

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Mr McLeod says it’s important to distinguish between ordinary worried people and anti-vaxxers “who tell the most outrageous lies”.

“It’s a bit like talking to flat earthers and quite often the two memberships overlap,” he says.

“It’s almost impossible to get them to see reason – you can present all the science in the world and they will still believe the earth is flat.”

Mr McLeod says his group tends not to worry about anti-vaxxers as much anymore because it’s those who are sitting on the fence or have genuine concerns that are the ones who need convincing.

“Social media, Facebook in particular, have a lot to answer for,” he concludes.

Another anti-vax campaigner that promotes conspiracy theories is Judy Wilyman, who was actually issued a doctorate from the University of Wollongong in 2016.

In a recent newsletter she claimed positive coronavirus tests could just be the common cold virus that’s being detected.

“It is not a ‘medical pandemic’ and there is no justification for emergency powers,” she continued.

One video she shared claims “this is not a vaccine” and “it is not a pandemic” but rather “all a facade to hide the economic reset that is occurring”.

As we know, Evans has been busy peddling anti-COVID vaxx info on social media through the pandemic.

Just last week he wrote, “The big question to ask … Will I allow the govt and big pharma to experiment on me when they have the belief of a ‘one size fits all approach’ even though we are all so divinely unique?”

In another post he wrote: “Please don’t ever let the govt put an untested Poison in your body, where the side effects include death and other life changing illnesses!

“From my perspective, I would say this is a complete clown show, however it is much more sinister than that and people’s lives and wellbeing are being risked here!

“The truth is coming out. Fear is being dismantled.”

In a piece for The Conversation, UK psychology researchers wrote tackling COVID-19 anti-vaccine narratives is paramount, pointing to a study focused on increasing digital media literacy as a route to reduce the widespread belief of misinformation.

“This involved giving people tips on spotting false news, which made it less likely to believe inaccurate headlines,” they wrote.

“Other research has shown that uncovering the rhetorical techniques typically found can reduce susceptibility to science denialism.

“Another solution is inoculation. Research has found that if people read factual, scientific information before anti-vaccine conspiratorial narratives, they can be more resistant to conspiracy theories.”

According to The Debunking Handbook, debunking will be more effective if you structure it in the following way:

1. Fact

2. Warn about the myth

3. Explain fallacy

4. Fact

Dr Aechtner highlights one of the recommendations from the book is that the most effective way to debunk misinformation is ensure that you provide a plausible, easily understood alternative to the myth that you are attempting to disprove.

“This is because: ‘When you debunk a myth, you create a gap in the person’s mind. To be effective, your debunking must fill that gap’,” he says.

“It isn’t quite enough to invalidate misinformation with facts. You also need to replace the debunked myth with a credible substitute narrative.

“Alternatively, you can fill the gap by providing a possible explanation as to why someone is spreading such misinformation, while exposing the persuasive techniques that are behind the debunked myth itself.”

Have you tried to reason with someone against the COVID-19 vaccine? Share your thoughts and experiences below.
 
Stop being dramatic. Your spo2 levels remain unchanged when wearing a mask and the fabric is not even as thick as a cotton t-shirt. Unless wearing any clothes at all causes you to have a heat stroke, I seriously doubt the mask was the problem.
What does spo2 have to do with masks interfering with heat regulation?
 
And? Suck it up, buttercup. If you're gonna be outside, you probably don't need a mask, unless you're in a crowd. How many people are in a crowd, outside, in 110+ degree weather for extended periods of time? Very few

Well, I mean, it depends, don't it? Some (important, official-type people) are endorsing masking up always outside.

The rest of your comment I attribute to your lack of imagination and understanding of anyone who isn't you.

Stop being dramatic. Your spo2 levels remain unchanged when wearing a mask and the fabric is not even as thick as a cotton t-shirt. Unless wearing any clothes at all causes you to have a heat stroke, I seriously doubt the mask was the problem.

It's not a question of oxygen, it's a question of your respiration not cooling the body as effectively.

One of the causes of heat exhaustion is physical exertion/exercise. SpO2 levels drop during exertion, so I thought they might be related. Doesn't change the fact that thinking a small square of fabric on your face is going to cause you to overheat is retarded.

It's not "a small square of fabric", it's what that square of fabric does.

A small square of fabric can also keep you from bleeding to death, or blow a runny nose. It's not the size of the fabric that's the issue.
 
Well, I mean, it depends, don't it? Some (important, official-type people) are endorsing masking up always outside.
No one (except maybe a few lunatics) is saying to mask up outside unless you're in a crowd.
The rest of your comment I attribute to your lack of imagination and understanding of anyone who isn't you.
Just like you anti-mask tards?
 
One of the causes of heat exhaustion is physical exertion/exercise. SpO2 levels drop during exertion, so I thought they might be related. Doesn't change the fact that thinking a small square of fabric on your face is going to cause you to overheat is retarded.
Humans vent a lot of heat through breathing, and we're only 25-27% efficient at most physical activities so we generate a lot of heat.

I have to pull down my gaiter riding my fat bike even when the temperature is 0F or I have heat issues.
 
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Humans vent a lot of heat through breathing, and we're only 25-27% efficient at most physical activities so we generate a lot of heat.

I have to pull down my gaiter riding my fat bike even when the temperature is 0F or I have heat issues.
Why are you wearing a mask when you're riding a bike outside?

I run and use the stair master at the gym while wearing a mask and don't have any issues. Am I just that more physically alpha than you?
 
And? Suck it up, buttercup. If you're gonna be outside, you probably don't need a mask, unless you're in a crowd. How many people are in a crowd, outside, in 110+ degree weather for extended periods of time? Very few
I agree. People should just suck it up and not get the vaccine or wear a mask.
 
Apparently being an anti-vaxer means you can't read
You sound angry. Perhaps you should get out a bit more. Go to the gym maybe. Just be sure to suck it up and not wear a mask. Don't worry, the chinkflu isn't all that dangerous.

And no, nobody is going to rat you out like a snitch and turn you in.

Maybe. Possibly.
 
Why are you spending that much time on sidewalks in 110+ degree weather?

Because what fucking choice do I have? Not everyone is a housebound incel, retired pensioner, or some shit. Have a life to live, a job to do, errands to run.

Sure you're not. That's why you're arguing retarded anti-mask points

It's not a talking point. My pulse went wonky, my vision swam, I was dizzy, and I felt like I nearly passed out before I got to an air conditioned environment. This is not a talking point, it's lived experience. I didn't feel right for hours after that.

I'm not even arguing anything. There's nothing to argue.
 
It's not a talking point. My pulse went wonky, my vision swam, I was dizzy, and I felt like I nearly passed out before I got to an air conditioned environment. This is not a talking point, it's lived experience. I didn't feel right for hours after that.

I'm not even arguing anything. There's nothing to argue.
The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.
This is what you sound like.
 
Maybe so. But the stuff coming from the big guys (WHO, CDC, Fauci) also takes into consideration availability of PPE, and they didn't want to create scarcity for actual health care workers. Now that every single country is producing masks, they feel safe to recommend two. Whatever they say actually has real world consequences that they have to take into consideration. If they said wear two masks at the beginning of the pandemic then they would all be sold out and doctors wouldn't get any.

I agree they shouldn't have lied like that. But that doesn't mean that their advice wasn't correct in context.
Wouldn't be the first time they lied:
Why The WHO Faked A Pandemic - Forbes (archive)
Oddly, Forbes removed this article from their website in October 2020 without explanation:
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I wonder why they would suddenly decide to do that after 10 years?
 
Because what fucking choice do I have? Not everyone is a housebound incel, retired pensioner, or some shit. Have a life to live, a job to do, errands to run.
So your job requires you to be on the sidewalk for long periods of time? Errands require you to walk on sidewalks for long periods of time? You don't have a car? What do you do for work?
 
This is what you sound like.

No, I have testicles.

So your job requires you to be on the sidewalk for long periods of time? Errands require you to walk on sidewalks for long periods of time? You don't have a car? What do you do for work?

There are limits to how much I'll power level. Suffice it to say that unfortunately I no longer live in a rural setting where you can just arbitrarily drive to the front door of everywhere you want to go. And in weather like that, it doesn't take "long periods of time".
 
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