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You won't have more countryside if it keeps getting devoured by housing developments and urban sprawl. I agree that some of these channels often can be too extreme in their hate boner for cars but the arguments regarding the socioeconomic cost of sprawl do have some relevance. My home state of Texas is facing the issue of countryside being paved over with concrete strip malls and sprawling housing developments of shoddily-built, inefficient McMansions.
Tell me you are 100% ignorant of how unfathomably vast the United States is without telling me you are 100% ignorant of how unfathomably vast the United States is

Your home state of Texas isn't facing shit, half of it has a population density of less than 10 per square mile, another quarter is 10 to 25. You have more empty space than you know what to do with and that is no different from anywhere else in the US that isn't the northeast and southwest seaboards
 
Fair warning, I am a rail nerd.
Autistic sperging about passenger rail and rail in general begins in 3,2,1...
Last warning!

Ok even as late as the 50's you could take a passenger train from most any wide spot in the road to any other wide spot in the road. The US rail system was built and paid for by the railroads. Yes there were a few cases like the transcontinental railroads where the railroad would be given land along the route of the new track but that wasn't the norm.

Come the 50's air travel is a thing. The airlines don't pay for airports, the taxpayer does. The airlines don't pay for air traffic control, the taxpayer does. Railroads had to not only pay to build stations they had to pay taxes on the land and the building. They have to pay taxes on every mile of track and the land underneath it. On top of all of that they were not allowed to set prices until after the Staggers Act passed in the 80's. So they lost money on passenger service and could not discontinue routes until the government said it was ok.

Thousands upon thousands of miles of railroad track were pulled up to save on maintenance cost and to save on taxes. If you have ever ridden Amtrak and had to wait hours in a siding for a break between freight trains you understand how valuable those tracks could be now.

I think it is one of the biggest mistakes in US history that somthing wasn't worked out with the railroads to keep the passenger network we had. Either giving the railroads tax breaks on passenger service equipment and facilities or transferring some of that extra track to the government so passenger rail would have it's own tracks.

Instead the railroads were taxed to build their competitors and no wonder they got out of the people moving business.

Sadly once you put the government in charge of somthing, everyone working there is a government employee.
If you have ever ridden Amtrak you know the food prices are high. Even with that Amtrak looses money on every food sale. I have read they loose as much as they take in. (If you buy a $10 hamburger they loose $10). This happens mostly becase their labor cost are insane. This report was from a few years ago but it says the average Amtrak foodservice worker was making about 3.5x as much as someone who worked at a regular restaurant. That wasn't counting health insurance, vacation time and a pretty sweet retirement package. They are all union and nearly impossible to fire. I am going to link a report. (BTW on top of all this the cashiers tend to just help them selves to the till and no one seems to notice.) https://web.archive.org/web/20061229151920/http://www.house.gov/transportation/rail/report.pdf
I get working on the train is hard but is it 3.5x as hard as working any other kitchen?

So I don't know how to fix things but I can see why they are messed up.
Very interesting actually, thanks. It really is a shame. I spend a good amount of time in the South when I’m in the US and it always pains me to see crumbling little ‘depots’ as a vivid reminder of what once was, and could have been. I’ve always been of the opinion that rail could work in the US (albeit nothing to the scale these breadtubers envision), co existing with cars. Judging by the state of the freight tracks that go through Ga, I feel as if any sort of high speed rail would be very far from consideration without laying a whole new system.

Tell me you are 100% ignorant of how unfathomably vast the United States is without telling me you are 100% ignorant of how unfathomably vast the United States is

Your home state of Texas isn't facing shit, half of it has a population density of less than 10 per square mile, another quarter is 10 to 25. You have more empty space than you know what to do with and that is no different from anywhere else in the US that isn't the northeast and southwest seaboards
I drove through Texas last year. You can drive 80mph for hours and see absolutely nothing. I have no idea what this user is talking about. Shit, even in places on both coasts there are states with hundreds of miles of forests/deserts/swamps, whatever. The only social problem Texas faces is becoming Mexico 2.0.
 
Tell me you are 100% ignorant of how unfathomably vast the United States is without telling me you are 100% ignorant of how unfathomably vast the United States is

Your home state of Texas isn't facing shit, half of it has a population density of less than 10 per square mile, another quarter is 10 to 25. You have more empty space than you know what to do with and that is no different from anywhere else in the US that isn't the northeast and southwest seaboards
I'm aware of how enormous our country is. The size of a country doesn't mean shit regarding good urban planning. Russia is just over twice the size of the United States and has better urban planning (and rail networks) than our cities. Even Australia, which is a hell of a lot emptier, whose cities are arguably the closest to the U.S. in terms of design type, has better planned cities than the current American model. I've lived for extended periods of time on both sides of the Atlantic and can admit that the U.S., unfortunately, is behind in certain respects. Not everything, but our cities and transit infrastructure are an embarrassment. You want to know why everything west of the Edwards Plateau is relatively empty, save for isolated spots like El Paso, Odessa-Midland and Amarillo? It's because it's a burning, scrubby wasteland with hardly anything worth extracting except oil and natural gas. The soil is either literal rocks or impenetrable clay, which is shit for agriculture, and the water table is shrinking at an incredible rate due to people wasting a shit ton of water on lawn care and golf courses. You claim that I'm not aware of the size of the United States? Well I suspect you're not aware of Texas' geographic and climactic nuances which limit the reasonable areas for human settlement. The west and panhandle of Texas (which was hit extremely hard by the Dust Bowl and never recovered) are sparsely populated for a reason.
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Fuck off, I'm aware of how enormous our country is. The size of a country doesn't mean shit regarding good urban planning. Russia is just over twice the size of the United States and has better urban planning (and rail networks) than our cities. Even Australia, which is a hell of a lot emptier, whose cities are arguably the closest to the U.S. in terms of design type, has better planned cities than the current American model. I've lived for extended periods of time on both sides of the Atlantic and can admit that the U.S., unfortunately, is behind in certain respects. Not everything, but our cities and transit infrastructure are an embarrassment. You want to know why everything west of the Edwards Plateau is relatively empty, save for isolated spots like El Paso, Odessa-Midland and Amarillo? It's because it's a burning, scrubby wasteland with hardly anything worth extracting except oil and natural gas. The soil is either literal rocks or impenetrable clay, which is shit for agriculture, and the water table is shrinking at an incredible rate due to people wasting a shit ton of water on lawn care and golf courses. You claim that I'm not aware of the size of the United States? Well I suspect you're not aware of Texas' geographic and climactic nuances which limit the reasonable areas for human settlement. The west and panhandle of Texas (which was hit extremely hard by the Dust Bowl and never recovered) are sparsely populated for a reason.
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Lol calm down bugman, I have relatives in Texas and have spent a lot of time there. Muh climatic conditions, please. Look at a satellite image of Texas and note all the forest and farmland that dominates the eastern third of the state and the farm and pastureland that dominates the middle third. The arable, usable countryside is disappearing just rofl. There's room for Houston and Dallas Fort-Worth to sprawl out at least another hundred miles and it would barely be noticeable on a map of just the eastern half of the state.

Muh city planning lol. Stop comparing apples to oranges. US cities sprawl more because of the larger availability of land, and because the car makes that sprawl economically viable whereas on the Continent such sprawl wouldn't be. US cities in between the Appalachians and the Rockies are growing in population and economy in a way European cities simply can't match but European city planning is superior lmao. If it were, there'd be more cities than just Paris seeing the kind of growth a very large proportion of US cities see regularly
 
Very interesting actually, thanks. It really is a shame. I spend a good amount of time in the South when I’m in the US and it always pains me to see crumbling little ‘depots’ as a vivid reminder of what once was, and could have been. I’ve always been of the opinion that rail could work in the US (albeit nothing to the scale these breadtubers envision), co existing with cars. Judging by the state of the freight tracks that go through Ga, I feel as if any sort of high speed rail would be very far from consideration without laying a whole new system.
I agree, the goal should be a balance between rail and automobiles, with robust inner-city tram systems (and streetcar suburbs) like the kind which were common across the U.S. until WWII. Of course the countryside will be more auto-reliant, that's largely unavoidable.
 
Muh city planning lol. Stop comparing apples to oranges. US cities sprawl more because of the larger availability of land, and because the car makes that sprawl economically viable whereas on the Continent such sprawl wouldn't be.
This doesn't answer my statement of why countries that rival the U.S. in size don't have this extreme sprawl problem in their urban areas. If the size of a country were the determining factor you would see similar levels of car-dependent sprawl in countries like Brazil, Russia, China, and Australia. The U.S. and Canada are rather unique in their extreme levels of urban sprawl compared to other large countries. I just want a better balance in the urban plan, a wider variety of transport options (I'm all for people owning private vehicles, mind - I don't hate cars at all and enjoy driving at times) and greater preservation of the countryside from over-development.

Edit: Apologies for the double post
 
You won't have more countryside if it keeps getting devoured by housing developments and urban sprawl. I agree that some of these channels often can be too extreme in their hate boner for cars but the arguments regarding the socioeconomic cost of sprawl do have some relevance. My home state of Texas is facing the issue of countryside being paved over with concrete strip malls and sprawling housing developments of shoddily-built, inefficient McMansions.
The opposite is far worse with only millionaires and geriatrics having houses while the working class is crammed into enormous housing developments of shoddily-built, “efficient” apartments and rural economies are destroyed to create recreational areas for rich urban dwellers. See the Pacific Northwest for an example of what happened when people who share your ideas gained power. The socioeconomic cost of forced density far exceeds anything sprawl has ever imposed; we don’t exactly have a shortage of natural land, but we do have a shortage of people who can pay a million dollars for a small house and it isn’t good to concentrate everyone in a few cities.
 
Cars are awesome, and I fucking love the suburbs. Who the hell gives a damn about public transport? I’d prefer the poor not travel TBQH.

These Eurofags don’t understand freedom. The fact that pretty much any 16+ year old American has more freedom of travel (and more freedoms in general) than they will ever have just drives them mad.

It’s the same with home ownership. It’s a pipe dream for EU cucks so they crave these cramped cities. Everything they can’t have has to be bad.
 
You get that's because they count "owning an apartment" as "home ownership", right? Few of these people actually own a proper HOUSE.
Yes, but ownership of single-family detached houses wasn't what I was addressing. It was a response to his statement that home ownership in and of itself is a pipe dream to Europeans, which it clearly isn't. Yes, single family detached suburbanite houses make up a smaller proportion of building types in several European countries (though single-family detached housing is more common in the UK, the Balkans, the Baltics and Nordic countries) but the actual private ownership of one's home, regardless of building type is actually higher in much of Europe and Asia. They don't rent their flats. They own them. There are huge numbers of people in the U.S. who live in single-family detached houses but don't actually have the dignity of owning them and instead are sitting on a massive pile of debt.
 
Um wrong dude, have you seen the average British house?
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No wonder Eurocucks are baffled by lawns.
All things considered, these actually look pretty comfy, but these channels are run by the type of people who would advocate for cramming others like sardines in industrial scale high rises with the right marketing, which the WEF has done with some success(?)

Frankly, I think the Chinese are to blame for rent culture and the idea pod living infesting itself into the American zeitgeist, not Europeans, since everyone under the glorious thumb of the CCP owns property on leases by the government which are long (75 years iirc) but are ultimately not owned by the individual. American bughive advocates are the worst of both worlds in cribbing ideas from China while trying to impress their European counterparts.
 
Anyone who lives outside of some gigantic urban soyhive knows how much public transport sucks.
It's more expensive than driving, takes far longer to get where you want to go, is much less reliable, has far less freedom, and requires you to sit right next to the worst people imaginable.
Not necessarily? In some places public transportation is probably shit (we have a bus line in my town, but it's not even usable for me because it doesn't run anywhere close to my apartment), but in some I'd imagine it's real predictable that you just plan around the schedule.
You fail to understand how unreliable buses are - It's not uncommon for buses to just not show up. So you either have to plan ahead and assume that the next bus won't arrive and plan around that., or cross your fingers and hope that it actually arrives for once.
Had one experience when I used to rely on public transport, where three buses in a row didn't show up, and then four of them arrived at once. The reason? All of them had driven into an area that was undergoing roadworks because it was on their route, and had gotten stuck in the resulting traffic.
 
Anyone who lives outside of some gigantic urban soyhive knows how much public transport sucks.
It's more expensive than driving, takes far longer to get where you want to go, is much less reliable, has far less freedom, and requires you to sit right next to the worst people imaginable.

You fail to understand how unreliable buses are - It's not uncommon for buses to just not show up. So you either have to plan ahead and assume that the next bus won't arrive and plan around that., or cross your fingers and hope that it actually arrives for once.
Had one experience when I used to rely on public transport, where three buses in a row didn't show up, and then four of them arrived at once. The reason? All of them had driven into an area that was undergoing roadworks because it was on their route, and had gotten stuck in the resulting traffic.
I've never lived anywhere I had to use buses. I'd imagine subways are maybe a lot more reliable.
 
I've never lived anywhere I had to use buses. I'd imagine subways are maybe a lot more reliable.

Not really, especially after dark. I've lived somewhere with a major subway system in the USA, and it was pretty typical for only every third or so subway train to actually run end to end, rather than suddenly going out of service and kicking everyone partway along its route. All time record was having to wait through nine out of service trains, before the tenth finally arrived and ran to my stop. (No, there wasn't any kind of weather disaster, track work, or weird crime thing happening. It was totally random. Don't get me started on how bad things would go to shit if there was a decent-sized snowstorm, or a heatwave.) Now let the horror sink in when you read my next sentence -- this shit was still more reliable than the buses. (:_(
 
You might be interested in the work of Lincoln Allison, who is, for want of a better description, a right-leaning environmentalist. He was a very influential academic back in the day when dissenting opinions were allowed.

I attended a lecture of his where he tore apart the environmentalist movement. Three points I particularly remember:

1 - Suburban gardens (at least British-style ones with lots of borders, flowerbeds and trees) are massively biodiverse and key habitats for many endangered species. What we think of as "natural" has no connection to logic or history. The North Yorkshire Moors, which look like this -

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- are not "natural" or "biodiverse". They're actually a post-apocalyptic man-made hellscape. They used to be forests until Iron Age farmers cut all the trees down for farmland and the resulting soil erosion and nutrient drain means that almost nothing can grow except grass, moss and heather. There is more biodiversity in a single suburban garden than the entire moor.

2 - On a related note, it's soil erosion, not climate change, that we should be pissing our pants about.

3 - If we spent all the money pledged under the Kyoto Protocol on mitigating the effects of climate change rather than simply delaying it (even if Kyoto is implemented 100%, it will delay temperature rises by about 25 years tops) by investing in flood defences, irrigation projects, solar-powered desalination plants and the like, we'd save way more lives, boost the world economy and still have enough money left over to provide clean water to everyone on Earth who currently doesn't have it.


On the topic of Bugman channels, fuck BritMonkey. Not only does he want everyone to get in the pods and eat the bugs, he wants to rip up Britain's farmland and "re-wild" it, at a time when our food security is subject to its biggest threats since WWII. Fuck off.
 
Not necessarily? In some places public transportation is probably shit (we have a bus line in my town, but it's not even usable for me because it doesn't run anywhere close to my apartment), but in some I'd imagine it's real predictable that you just plan around the schedule.
I was talking about cancelled or delayed busses, trains etc. Just 5 min late and you might miss the next train and your whole day is ruined
 
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