I hate pro-bughive channels

[Sage In All Fields]

Cars ruin your lungs and designing areas around them makes you not want to go outside. I'm so glad I moved out of London.

See also: https://videos.lukesmith.xyz/w/oDMNCBQwR1F8hmfdouco9H

 

[Markass the Worst]

See also: https://videos.lukesmith.xyz/w/oDMNCBQwR1F8hmfdouco9H

I dont understand how the problems caused by interconnectivity are solved by abolishing roads or cars. Buses and trains are still pretty high technology that are complicated, the coronavirus still wouldve happened and you'd still need to commute 30 minutes or so to work or to Walmart. I guess he wants to bike or walk everywhere but those have their own problems too. Not to mention youre still dependent on society for things like buildings, clothes, water and computers.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

double posting from the public transportation thread

everyones favorite bike man is back with a bike that has storage in it and can be used to transport people if need be
what do we do now carbros

 

[Markass the Worst]

double posting from the public transportation thread

I hate this guy, I keep hitting "Not interested" but Youtube still recommends me his shit anyway. I would much rather instead watch Road Guy Rob, an actually sane person but he doesn't upload much.

I'm guessing this is the video he was hinting at in the comments section of Adam Something's "The Insane Cost of Cars" video (which was quietly renamed to "How cars keep people poor & taxes high")

everyones favorite bike man is back with a bike that has storage in it and can be used to transport people if need be
what do we do now carbros

I'm more baffled than anything.

He says it "has the potential to be the most important vehicle of the 21st century" but gives no reason besides "it's more engaging for kids!" and something about it costing less that, like all brain dead urbanists, is based on flawed monetary analysis. Not to mention that he basically considers the cost of time spent commuting to be 0 except for when it comes to cars (urbanists complain that cars get stuck in traffic, but they're still the fastest way to get around) And of course he doesn't count the cost of redesigning every single city into a bughive because he repeats the mantra that North American cities are "designed wrong" and need to be torn from the ground up to serve his idealist fantasies.

At the very least delivery vehicles are not going to start becoming this, they're too slow and have too little storage that Amazon would either have to hire more workers or increase prices, and their drivers are already struggling with heat and exhaustion. And that's only talking about the last-mile delivery case, it should be obvious there will still be roads for delivery trucks to transport goods between shipping centers and they're not going to become retarded boxes on two wheels anytime soon.

 

[quaawaa]

double posting from the public transportation thread

everyones favorite bike man is back with a bike that has storage in it and can be used to transport people if need be
what do we do now carbros

It’s the bugman verison of the third world’s motorcycle courier:

 

[Meriasek]

Exactly.
Out of interest, I looked at the German rail station another user talked about earlier in the thread, and this is just absolutely ridiculous:
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See that thin, dotted white line near the middle of the image? That's a train, on a single line of track.

This absolute monstrosity bifurcates the entirety of Munich, and at this exact point is comprised of 44 lanes. It is over 200 metres across. It is a bugman's wet dream, and likely a nightmare for anyone who wants to try getting across the city in any other way.

Ugh, I was just there this Sunday, and it's pretty terrible. Munich as a city is generally pretty nice on foot and via bike, but driving there is hell.
I was at the central station, and it's the type of station where all tracks end. I arrived there on one of the outermost platforms and had to walk a huge distance to get to my connection. Pretty awful, good thing the italian/austrian/german train I took to get there was already so late I didn't catch my connection anyway, so I wasn't in a rush.

 

[Chuck McGill]

double posting from the public transportation thread

everyones favorite bike man is back with a bike that has storage in it and can be used to transport people if need be
what do we do now carbros

Oh God the fuckcars people do not shut the fuck up about cargo bikes ever. What's worse is that they way overestimate their use-case and act like having a footlocker's worth of space is in any way comparable to even a small vehicle's trunk. Not to mention if you go ass over tea kettle all your groceries are either going to spill out or at least get pretty badly jostled. I don't even wanna think about the kinds of risks these cunts are putting their kids in by letting them ride in those things. If I didn't know any better I'd suggest they missed the window for """SIDS""" and are looking for an easier way to get rid of the brats. And no, getting cars off the road won't make it safer. One of the reasons cars are bulkier now is that they have to incorporate safety features that you just can't put on a bike. It will always be an inherently more dangerous mode of transportation because your window for error is much smaller.

But hey, risking your kids getting brained is worth it because they're getting fresh air and it's mOrE eNgAgInG.

 

[Tago Mago]

I used to like NotJustBikes but nowadays it seems like he's lost it and is on the road of becoming Adam Something 2.0.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

I used to like NotJustBikes but nowadays it seems like he's lost it and is on the road of becoming Adam Something 2.0.

I already knew he was retarded when he said in at least one video that suburbs and the missing middle exist because America is racist

 

[Markass the Worst]

I already knew he was retarded when he said in at least one video that suburbs and the missing middle exist because America is racist

He's not entirely wrong. It's racist to be worried about crime and general urban unpleasantness like homeless men pissing on trees, given that the melanin-enriched are doing the crime and unpleasantness. The retardation comes in when he doesn't want to fix the crime and nastiness by say hiring more police officers and just wants to force everyone into a bughive.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I already knew he was retarded when he said in at least one video that suburbs and the missing middle exist because America is racist

i mean its a half truth perhaps

 

[Chuck McGill]

I already knew he was retarded when he said in at least one video that suburbs and the missing middle exist because America is racist

I'd take that a touch more seriously if he had to live in a major American city. Fucker doesn't even live in America. Were it not for the muzzies the Netherlands would be the whitest goddamn place ever.



And how the fuck do some of you like Not Just Bikes? I tried watching the bakfiet video and my phone started leaking Soylent. He is without irony one of the smuggest cunts I've ever heard. No fuck off. I do not care how much children enjoy riding in bakfiets. When children have to commute to jobs and pay bills then they get to have an opinion. I'm not tacking an hour onto my commute because you can't be fucked to take little scumbag Johnny to a park or something.

 

[quaawaa]

And how the fuck do some of you like Not Just Bikes? I tried watching the bakfiet video and my phone started leaking Soylent. He is without irony one of the smuggest cunts I've ever heard. No fuck off. I do not care how much children enjoy riding in bakfiets. When children have to commute to jobs and pay bills then they get to have an opinion.

Per Not Just Bikes, this is child abuse:

Look at that unsafe infrastructure! Where’s the special paint and concrete curbs to protect the bikers from crazy drivers? That street is way too wide and I don’t even see any chicanes to slow down the cars! It’s a miracle that the family hasn’t been murdered yet and it is sad that they are forced to wear helmets. In the Netherlands, no one wears helmets because all bike accidents are caused by cars, and cars are banned in Dutch cities.

 

[Becky McDonald]

Just saw this in the Keffals thread, NJB is a lolcow defender confirmed:

Figures that a bugman would exhibit bugman behaviour in other aspects outside of personal transport.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Just saw this in the Keffals thread, NJB is a lolcow defender confirmed:
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Figures that a bugman would exhibit bugman behaviour in other aspects outside of personal transport.

Youtubers are the worst when they get high on their own supply to chime in on shit that has absolutely fuckall to do with them. At this rate he's going to need his own thread soon.

 

[Becky McDonald]

Youtubers are the worst when they get high on their own supply to chime in on shit that has absolutely fuckall to do with them. At this rate he's going to need his own thread soon.

To be honest, he kind of does. This thread and the other one which presently exists just talks about the bughive phenomenon in general without actually going after the ideologues behind it. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he receives a paycheck from the WEF, he's got the "you vill not drive" part of the doctrine nailed down.

 

[Chuck McGill]

To be honest, he kind of does. This thread and the other one which presently exists just talks about the bughive phenomenon in general without actually going after the ideologues behind it. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he receives a paycheck from the WEF, he's got the "you vill not drive" part of the doctrine nailed down.

I've kicked around the idea of making a thread for the r/fuckcars crowd and the assclowns associated with that movement. I get the sinking feeling that this is picking up steam and I want some of the shit these people say when they think no one is archiving on record, both for amusement and posterity. Good luck convincing people that all you want are "gwassy twams and bike wanes uwu" when there are 50 screenshots of you saying gas should be $10 a gallon and trucks should be restricted to people who 'can prove they need them'.

 

[Markass the Worst]

To be honest, he kind of does. This thread and the other one which presently exists just talks about the bughive phenomenon in general without actually going after the ideologues behind it. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he receives a paycheck from the WEF, he's got the "you vill not drive" part of the doctrine nailed down.

I don't know if NJB has enough content to warrant his own thread, so I was actually thinking about making a thread about urbanist / anti-car / car-free / new urbanism people, communities and organizations in general, there's a whole rabbit hole of insane shit to witness because these people are obsessed with urban design and hating cars and make it their mission to spread their shit everywhere like monkeypox. EDIT: A good example of this is CGP Grey's video on the solution to traffic, it's 7 years old but the comments section now is flooded by anti-car types being smug about how ackshually, the solution to traffic is public transportation, every single one of those assclowns is like this

Besides NJB and Adam Something there are other bugmen youtubers like CityNerd and they always insist on these weird terminologies like "traffic violence" because "accident" isn't good enough for them, and they parade the "30,000 killed per year in car accidents I'm sorry, "traffic violence"" statistic more than people run the 13/50 and 41% statistics jokes into the ground. There's loads more shit like this from these people, I made the mistake of subjecting myself to them out of curiosity multiple times in the past year.

I don't know if they're connected to the WEF but it's not out of the possibility, maybe if there's more critcial eyes on them we can find it out.

I've kicked around the idea of making a thread for the r/fuckcars crowd and the assclowns associated with that movement. I get the sinking feeling that this is picking up steam and I want some of the shit these people say when they think no one is archiving on record, both for amusement and posterity. Good luck convincing people that all you want are "gwassy twams and bike wanes uwu" when there are 50 screenshots of you saying gas should be $10 a gallon and trucks should be restricted to people who 'can prove they need them'.

Damn, you posted this before I did. But trust me, it's more than just r/fuckcars though I think fuckcars is the biggest and worst congregation of these people on the internet as of right now.

EDIT: Fuck it, I started writing an OP, God help me.

Do you drive a car? Do you live in the suburbs? Do you own a house? If so, these people hate you and insist you sell your car, move to an apartment in the city, and get on a bicycle while your town gets redesigned into a dense concrete nightmare.

There isn't an exact name for these people, the closest one being urbanists. But they are always identifiable when they bring up things like walkability/cyclability, public transit / alternative transit, and urban planning, want to start or move to developments like 15-minute cities, transit-oriented development, and mixed-use neighborhoods, and hate on cars using terms like car-centric/car-dependent/auto-oriented, urban sprawl, missing middle, car sewers, stroad, traffic violence, and a whole bunch of other terms you'll get to know if you talk with them long enough.

In short, these are the people who bought into the climate change hysteria about fossil fuels, and then gradually found more and more reasons to hate on cars.

 

[Becky McDonald]

I don't know if NJB has enough content to warrant his own thread, so I was actually thinking about making a thread about urbanist / anti-car / car-free / new urbanism people, communities and organizations in general, there's a whole rabbit hole of insane shit to witness because these people are obsessed with urban design and hating cars and make it their mission to spread their shit everywhere like monkeypox. EDIT: A good example of this is CGP Grey's video on the solution to traffic, it's 7 years old but the comments section now is flooded by anti-car types being smug about how ackshually, the solution to traffic is public transportation, every single one of those assclowns is like this

Besides NJB and Adam Something there are other bugmen youtubers like CityNerd and they always insist on these weird terminologies like "traffic violence" because "accident" isn't good enough for them, and they parade the "30,000 killed per year in car accidents I'm sorry, "traffic violence"" statistic more than people run the 13/50 and 41% statistics jokes into the ground. There's loads more shit like this from these people, I made the mistake of subjecting myself to them out of curiosity multiple times in the past year.

I don't know if they're connected to the WEF but it's not out of the possibility, maybe if there's more critcial eyes on them we can find it out.


Damn, you posted this before I did. But trust me, it's more than just r/fuckcars though I think fuckcars is the biggest and worst congregation of these people on the internet as of right now.

EDIT: Fuck it, I started writing an OP, God help me.

Brilliant start!
There's quite a bit I can add as well:

• They will NEVER critique or bring up badly designed public transport systems. You will never hear of how those who ride the Japanese subway are packed like sardines, with groping becoming such an epidemic that women often get their own cars. You won't hear of how the NY public transport system has become a mobile lawless wasteland where you're better off walking. You also won't hear of that clusterfuck I mentioned on the previous page, where the Munich rail system dominates most of the city, cutting its own inter-city border with little in the way of bypasses for both foot and wheeled traffic.
• They are always in favour of pouring more money down the drain for public transport initiatives because of "muh long term benefits". They have not learned their lesson from the Brandenburg airport fiasco, and I recently got this video in my recommended:

Because on the cusp of the worst recession in almost a century, what the world truly needs is £100 BILLION (that's $122 billion) poured into a rail system that will likely never pull an even break after a century of usage. They whine when a few million is spent on a freeway addition/modification, but will happily champion ridiculous figures for public transport in order to fuel their pseudo-altruistic "greater good".

If I had to offer a psychological analysis, their anti-car/pro-public transport views are another symptom of their general Peter Pan syndrome. Driving a car is viewed as something an adult does, and they want no part of it. This generation looks like it will be defined by the notion of "fuck the rules, I can make reality whatever I want and be a responsibility-less child forever" which is why they defend troonism so staunchly (and why many of them are troons, along with commies and furfags).

 

[quaawaa]

Brilliant start!
There's quite a bit I can add as well:

• They will NEVER critique or bring up badly designed public transport systems. You will never hear of how those who ride the Japanese subway are packed like sardines, with groping becoming such an epidemic that women often get their own cars. You won't hear of how the NY public transport system has become a mobile lawless wasteland where you're better off walking. You also won't hear of that clusterfuck I mentioned on the previous page, where the Munich rail system dominates most of the city, cutting its own inter-city border with little in the way of bypasses for both foot and wheeled traffic.
• They are always in favour of pouring more money down the drain for public transport initiatives because of "muh long term benefits". They have not learned their lesson from the Brandenburg airport fiasco, and I recently got this video in my recommended:

Because on the cusp of the worst recession in almost a century, what the world truly needs is £100 BILLION (that's $122 billion) poured into a rail system that will likely never pull an even break after a century of usage. They whine when a few million is spent on a freeway addition/modification, but will happily champion ridiculous figures for public transport in order to fuel their pseudo-altruistic "greater good".

If I had to offer a psychological analysis, their anti-car/pro-public transport views are another symptom of their general Peter Pan syndrome. Driving a car is viewed as something an adult does, and they want no part of it. This generation looks like it will be defined by the notion of "fuck the rules, I can make reality whatever I want and be a responsibility-less child forever" which is why they defend troonism so staunchly (and why many of them are troons, along with commies and furfags).

Another thing is their faux-libertarianism and misuse of economic terms. Two of the most frequent economic concepts they misuse are demand and externalities.

Induced demand is an urbanist concept that claims that if you build a road (and only roads, they never apply this idea to housing or transit), then the pure fact that the road now exists will attract more people to use it, and the road will become congested again. It is completely made up and is used to hate on infrastructure that is actually being used. Even if a road with expanded capacity immediately becomes congested again, it is still a benefit because more people are getting to their destination than before. The actual economic concept is called “latent demand” and unlike the fake “induced demand”, latent demand already exists and can be a satisfied by building sufficient infrastructure.

The second economic concept they misuse is externalities and more importantly, how they plan to internalize them. Externalities are an economic concept where an action has some benefit/drawback not captured in the price. Note that I said “benefit/drawback”, externalities can be both positive and negative. Urbanists believe in taxing cars and suburbs to account for negative “externalities” that they made up while ignoring all their positive externalities and all the negative externalities of transit and density. You can’t just tax something you don’t like just because and call it “internalizing externalities”, you actually have to balance the positive and negative externalities. Externalities are inherently fuzzy and there is no real way to determine besides feels if something is actually “not priced in”, which is why they’re almost always brought up by people who want an excuse to tax things they don’t like.

Another thing urbanists like to do is pretend to be libertarians and advocate for road users and suburban residents to pay the “true cost” of their lifestyle. Their economic analysis of the cost of roads and suburbs is completely wrong and based off of the feelings-based blogposts of an urbanist “economist” called Charles Marohn, better known as Strong Towns (Marohn is a hypocrite who lives in a single-family home in a car-dependent town that should be bankrupt according to his ideology, but isn’t). Asking an urbanist to cite actual numbers and not quote/paraphrase Chuck is like pulling teeth. I’ve posted in detail about the numbers before in this thread/the other similar threads here, but to summarize, infrastructure is a small portion of most suburban cities’ budgets and is dwarfed by the amount spent on schools and other services (a fact trivially verified by looking at a property tax bill or city budget), not a single suburban city in the entire history of the suburb has gone bankrupt due the cost of sprawl, and road infrastructure is nearly entirely paid by user fees while transit is nearly entirely paid by general taxpayer funds (including diversions from road user fees like the gas tax).

They’ll complain constantly about suburbs or drivers not paying for their infrastructure in one breath, and demand transit be free in the next. They also advocate for a repeal of zoning rules, but only the ones they feel are impeding their urban development plans. Ask them to repeal urban growth boundaries (cap on city size that makes it so the only allowed new housing is dense) and parking maximums or point out that there is nothing stopping them from buying unincorporated land and building their dream car free neighborhood and watch how quickly the “libertarians” reveal themselves to be authoritarian urban planners.