I hate the Internet and the people who own it

[AnOminous]

Are you using the Malware Shield thing? I turned that off ages ago because I noticed it blocked the Farms and .NET works fine for me. You absolutely should continue complaining, though. Kiwi Farms ain't fucking malware

Lots of VPNs use exactly this blocklist and we are on it and off it all the time. It started with the crypto miner, even though that was thoroughly opt-in and voluntary, and I think some dude with a personal grudge against us keeps re-adding us. If you do any crypto stuff it also blocks that shit randomly so always turn this shit off.

It annoys the fuck out of me because getting away from this kind of bullshit is exactly why I use a VPN in the first place.

 

[Kiwiballs]

The bystander effect. Though, I've seen people starting to claim it isn't real, so they can condemn all the people who don't intervene to protect black and brown bodies from police hate-violence as racist Nazi chuds who wanted it to happen

I mean look in regards to both you and @AnOminous
You're referencing what I was referencing. But it isn't the full story.
Plenty of societies that have maintained a high degree of trust, or been exposed to external threats, have been able to overcome these limitations of the human psyche.

 

[AnOminous]

Plenty of societies that have maintained a high degree of trust, or been exposed to external threats, have been able to overcome these limitations of the human psyche.

I'd say the "external threats" part is almost a necessity for that.

 

[Kiwiballs]

I'd say the "external threats" part is almost a necessity for that.

I mean not really. Europe in the 1970's was a pretty chill place in general. People were pretty trusting and helpful both in the East and West bloc. In some countries like Switzerland its even against the law to not help someone, so that helps, no pun intended.
But yeah, in our case we also have external threats, so hopefully that helps with the somewhat more disjointed sense of community, though you could rate this optimistic.

 

[Creative Username]

This forum is full of sleeper troon agents who seek to destroy Josh by demoralizing him whenever he comes up with 250IQ plans. Be on the lookout! Whenever you see one:

1. Apply the top hat sticker in your Kiwi Farms Standard Shitposting Starter Kit.
2. Reply to them, calling them a joyless doomer who should kill themselves.

Do these simple steps to minimize the number of tards that make Josh wonder if it's actually worth it. YOU can help save the Kiwi Farms!

 

[Butwhythough2]

I appreciate Null's almost Sisyphean task of doing what he can to keep us online. Where others would just give up at the first big problem, like the New Zealand government sending angry emails. I think his response was the best one. The Farms is the only place on the Internet that I can still have fun on. Thanks Null.

 

[anustart76]

And you're referencing the rape and murder of Kitty Genovese in particular, where something like 38 people watched and listened as she was raped and murdered, a brutal attack that lasted something like a half-hour, and nobody did a goddamn thing. It isn't even that those people were subhuman monsters on the level of the actual killer. Mostly they just assumed that obviously someone else would do something. It's the diffusion of responsibility in an oversized society that makes people conclude that surely someone is going to do the right thing.

The bystander effect. Though, I've seen people starting to claim it isn't real, so they can condemn all the people who don't intervene to protect black and brown bodies from police hate-violence as racist Nazi chuds who wanted it to happen

The "bystander effect" part of it wasn't real, it was bad sensationalist reporting at the time. Fake news has been a thing for a long time. Genovese's brother was involved in a documentary called The Witness, where they described that the number of witnesses was made up and some people actually did call the cops.

Also I think the murderer was a nigger.

 

[Another Char Clone]

What ever happened to net neutrality?

It will probably only apply to legal content, which ISPs acting as de facto internet judiciary will not recognize KF as. As I recall, some ISPs are already doing that.
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• Freedom of expression and free speech: the internet is a vital information source and ISPs shouldn’t be able to block content or slow down webpages just because they don’t like them. With no net neutrality legislation, nothing stops them from censoring online content. This, however, doesn’t include illegal content. With or without net neutrality regulations, the censoring of such content falls on the shoulders of law enforcement agencies.

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Earlier this week, FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein told a symposium on Internet Video Policy that the various net neutrality proposals the agency is considering include "exemptions for illegal activities."

They say it is to stop piracy, but I foresee Deep Packet Inspection.

 

[Cyberpunk Panatela]

The "bystander effect" part of it wasn't real, it was bad sensationalist reporting at the time. Fake news has been a thing for a long time. Genovese's brother was involved in a documentary called The Witness, where they described that the number of witnesses was made up and some people actually did call the cops.

Also I think the murderer was a nigger.

The "bystander effect" made it into psychology both because of low quality newspaper reporting (i.e. the reporter did not interview the police or any inhabitants of the flat - he stayed in the newsroom and wrote a "moral panic" story which both got the facts wrong and slandered the inhabitants of the block of flats) as well as an unscrupulous academic psychologist spinning this article up into a paper describing a "new finding" with a catchy name which was commonly cited once it had been published.

Much later, in the early 2000s, enough contradictory evidence had been collected to show both that crowd behaviour is far more complex than this and that this "effect" had never been subsequently shown to exist under controlled conditions. (The abovementioned documentary also didn't hurt).

I believe it was this scandal that led to the finding of the "replication crisis" in psychology (IOW, a lot of what had been published, especially material from long ago, was now in dispute because the original authors had simply made shit up, reached unwarranted conclusions or screwed up in other ways)

This replication crisis has later been found to exist in many, if not all, sciences to varying degrees.

OK, end of TED talk.

 

[Jotch]

They say it is to stop piracy, but I foresee Deep Packet Inspection.

There is no way that a single ISP isn't using DSI.

 

[Null]

There is no way that a single ISP isn't using DSI.

Hurricane Electric doesn't even stop packet spoofing on its own network for its own IPs bro. They really are just that incompetent.

 

[Jotch]

Lmfao

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

How much DPI can you really do when everything uses TLS these days?

 

[Karl Franz]

How much DPI can you really do when everything uses TLS these days?

You can find out the site hostname if they aren't using the best protocol extensions. And if you control the machine which stores the certificate, or an issuing authority, or you are cloudflare, you can just read/modify anything.

 

[Jotch]

@Karl Franz
It seems possible that cloudflare could man-in-the-middle most the internet, are there any protections against it?

 

[Mikoyan]

How much DPI can you really do when everything uses TLS these days?

Very little. Sandvine et al do actually kind of watch the TLS 1.2 handshake to see what's up but the meta's moved to cataloging endpoints with scanning and inferring from that.

 

[WhiteNight]

The Palo Alto Networks "firewall" router is an example of MITM reading of encrypted TLS/SSL traffic:

https://docs.paloaltonetworks.com/pan-os/9-1/pan-os-admin/decryption/decryption-overview

It requires the user inside the network accept a certificate provided by the company. The router can then masquerade as any site on the Internet and intercept and read encrypted traffic before forwarding it to the real site.

In "white hat" uses, employees are told they must configure their browser to accept this certificate as a condition of using the internal network, to protect the company's security. However, with a little social engineering you could probably convince most normies to accept a certificate. They just have to make a few clicks. Or, perhaps one day a DDoS protection company such as Cloudflare will put out their own certs which allow them access.

 

[Karl Franz]

@Karl Franz
It seems possible that cloudflare could man-in-the-middle most the internet, are there any protections against it?

No, it's unavoidable with how HTTPS works.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

I'm not a lawyer, so what the fuck do I know, but obviously funding is an issue. Especially in litigating some of these fucking tech companies and Long Gone Dong. Null has talked about the minimums needed, and it's tough to go on offense when you have to play defense against retards.

Is there a reason Null couldn't set up an IOLTA ( Interest On Lawyers' Trust Accounts – is a method of raising money for charitable purposes, primarily the provision of civil legal services to indigent persons. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/interest_lawyers_trust_accounts/overview/ ) with an amenable attorney? At least then bank transfers would be possible. Past that, hook that IOLTA to a less douchy fundraising platform, like maybe GiveSendGo? I know the linked definition says indigent and charitable, but fucking Vic Lasagna used an IOLTA in his suit against Funimation et al.

 

[Garamok]

Total retard war is back on?